Assault weapons ban

[JulesMaximus]

Attorney General Bill Lockyer planned to be on hand for a news conference this morning to support renewal of the federal law. Also expected to attend were Los Angeles Mayor Jim Hahn, Los Angeles police Chief William Bratton and Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca.

The news conference was planned outside the Bank of America in North Hollywood -- the scene of a 1997 robbery that culminated in a shootout between two heavily armed gunmen and LAPD officers.

Police conceded they were outgunned by the robbers, who wore body armor and were armed with machine guns. Ultimately, both were killed.

The federal Assault Weapons Act bans the manufacture and sale of certain semiautomatic assault weapons, including the AK-47, Uzi and TEC-9. It will expire on Sept. 13, unless renewed by Congress

I've been hearing this on the news the past few days and it is just irritating the hell out of me. These windbags are actually using that shootout as a reason to renew the AWB from 1994 which is about to sunset out on Sept. 13. The fact of the matter is that the guns used in that crime in 1997 were fully automatic weapons which are heavily restricted in a few states in the US and illegal in most, including California. The AWB has nothing to do with the guns used in that crime.

The truth is that the federal Assault Weapons Act bans the manufacture and sale of certain semi-automatic rifles based solely on looks.

Fvcking morons.

 

[K1052]

But those guns are black and scary looking.

I need to be protected from all the people who use those guns to kill dozens of people easily each day. Why would anyone want to own one, its not like you can hunt with them or anything.

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

The truth is that the federal Assault Weapons Act bans the manufacture and sale of certain semi-automatic rifles based solely on looks.

Fvcking morons.

I was reading that exact same thing on AR-15.com. It's ridiculous really. Isn't LA SWAT armed to the tooth anyway? Of course the avg traffic schmuck cop's 9mm isn't going to do shlt against robbers going full auto with armor. It was funny when I heard they raided a gun shop

 

[Saulbadguy]

Good.

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy
Good.

Good what?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I am a liberal and gun owner, and IMO the AWB is by any reasonable standard an arbitrary and ineffective tool for protecting the public. It substantially relies on aesthetic distinctions between weapons, and I can't see how it makes anyone safer. I would be in favor of allowing it to expire. Unfortunately, the liberal pundits who enthusiastically support it are, in my view, ignorant on the topic of guns, and so they sanctimoniously lobby for this well-intentioned but silly piece of legislation.

 

[imported_Bishop]

That's sad. Let the AWB die, just let it die.

 

[booger711]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

The truth is that the federal Assault Weapons Act bans the manufacture and sale of certain semi-automatic rifles based solely on looks.

Fvcking morons.

I was reading that exact same thing on AR-15.com. It's ridiculous really. Isn't LA SWAT armed to the tooth anyway? Of course the avg traffic schmuck cop's 9mm isn't going to do shlt against robbers going full auto with armor. It was funny when I heard they raided a gun shop

very true. if the average schmuck cop could actually shoot accurately, body armor wouldn't do a thing for armed robbers (read: headshots). i had a cop that coached my hs swim team. we asked him about his gun and said, "Spray and pray, eh Gary?" He just knodded and smiled

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Meh. Nothing compared to the amendment to it that would include a ban on pretty much any semi-automatic handgun, rifle, and shotgun.

Bill Summary & Status for the 108th Congress

S.1431
Title: A bill to reauthorize the assault weapons ban, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Lautenberg, Frank R. [NJ] (introduced 7/17/2003)Cosponsors (14)
Related Bills: H.R.2038
Latest Major Action: 7/17/2003 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary.
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SHORT TITLE(S) AS INTRODUCED:
Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2003

OFFICIAL TITLE AS INTRODUCED:
A bill to reauthorize the assault weapons ban, and for other purposes.

COMMITTEE(S):
Committee/Subcommittee: Activity:
Senate Judiciary Referral, In Committee

RELATED BILL DETAILS: (additional related bills may be indentified in Status)
Bill: Relationship:
H.R.2038 Related bill identified by CRS

COSPONSORS(14),
Sen Akaka, Daniel K. [HI] - 1/28/2004 Sen Boxer, Barbara [CA] - 9/25/2003
Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham [NY] - 10/1/2003 Sen Corzine, Jon [NJ] - 7/17/2003
Sen Dodd, Christopher J. [CT] - 2/23/2004 Sen Durbin, Richard J. [IL] - 2/9/2004
Sen Feinstein, Dianne [CA] - 2/23/2004 Sen Kennedy, Edward M. [MA] - 2/9/2004
Sen Kerry, John F. [MA] - 11/21/2003 Sen Levin, Carl [MI] - 2/9/2004
Sen Mikulski, Barbara A. [MD] - 9/4/2003 Sen Reed, John F. [RI] - 9/4/2003
Sen Sarbanes, Paul S. [MD] - 10/1/2003 Sen Schumer, Charles E. [NY] - 12/9/2003

SUMMARY AS OF:
7/17/2003--Introduced.

Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2003 - Amends Federal firearms provisions to revise the definition of "semiautomatic assault weapon" (SAW) to include conversion kits (for converting a firearm to a SAW) and any semiautomatic rifle or pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and that has any one of the following characteristics, respectively: (1) a folding or telescoping stock, a threaded barrel, a pistol grip, a forward grip, or a barrel shroud; or (2) a second pistol grip, a threaded barrel, a barrel shroud, or the capacity to accept a detachable magazine at a location outside of the pistol grip.

Amends: (1) the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act to reauthorize the assault weapons ban and add new restrictions; and (2) the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act to repeal the sunset provision regarding restrictions on large capacity ammunition feeding devices (LCAFDs) and on specified SAWs.

Repeals exemptions from the Brady Act regarding certain semiautomatic rifles and shotguns.

Prohibits the transfer of a SAW except through a licensed dealer or a State or local law enforcement agency, subject to specified requirements. Directs the Attorney General to: (1) establish and maintain a record of the make, model, and date of manufacture of any SAW which the Attorney General is made aware has been used in relation to a crime, and of the nature and circumstances of the crime involved; and (2) annually submit the record to Congress and make the record available to the public.

Prohibits: (1) the transfer of any assault weapon with an LCAFD; and (2) a licensed manufacturer, importer, or dealer who transfers an LCAFD that was manufactured on or before September 13, 1994, from failing to certify to the Attorney General, within 60 days of the transfer date, that the device was manufactured on or before that date. Sets penalties for violations.

Prohibits: (1) the transfer of a SAW or an LCAFD to a juvenile; and (2) the importation of an LCAFD.

Important to note that the detatchable magazine doesn't have to be in conjuction with the stuff listed after it. The interpretation is open to meaning any weapon with a detatchable mag.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: booger711

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

The truth is that the federal Assault Weapons Act bans the manufacture and sale of certain semi-automatic rifles based solely on looks.

Fvcking morons.

I was reading that exact same thing on AR-15.com. It's ridiculous really. Isn't LA SWAT armed to the tooth anyway? Of course the avg traffic schmuck cop's 9mm isn't going to do shlt against robbers going full auto with armor. It was funny when I heard they raided a gun shop

very true. if the average schmuck cop could actually shoot accurately, body armor wouldn't do a thing for armed robbers (read: headshots). i had a cop that coached my hs swim team. we asked him about his gun and said, "Spray and pray, eh Gary?" He just knodded and smiled

Please visit your local range and try to get consistent headshots at 100 yards with a 9mm pistol while under no stress whatsoever.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: K1052
But those guns are black and scary looking.

I need to be protected from all the people who use those guns to kill dozens of people easily each day. Why would anyone want to own one, its not like you can hunt with them or anything.

'bout sums it up....yay for california. I hope Arnold shows up with a vulcan cattling gun

 

[Shelly21]

Don't worry, Bush will not sign it to protect our rights.

 

[43st]

I'll support anything that will result in less police getting killed, but I generally support the military and the police anyway.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Important to note that the detatchable magazine doesn't have to be in conjuction with the stuff listed after it. The interpretation is open to meaning any weapon with a detatchable mag.

I think you're misreading it. Note, it says " . . . and any semiautomatic rifle or pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and that has any one of the following characteristics . . ."

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Thera
I'll support anything that will result in less police getting killed, but I generally support the military and the police anyway.

Then congratulations, you are against the AWB.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: K1052

Please visit your local range and try to get consistent headshots at 100 yards with a 9mm pistol while under no stress whatsoever.

True that. On average, police officers score hits with something like 15% of their shots at assailants. Also, they are not trained to aim for the head - hitting a moving target the size of a head is incredibly tough.

 

[43st]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Thera
I'll support anything that will result in less police getting killed, but I generally support the military and the police anyway.

Then congratulations, you are against the AWB.

Odd, the article says "Los Angeles police Chief William Bratton and Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca." are for the renewal. Am I missing something?

 

[CptObvious]

Originally posted by: DonVito
I am a liberal and gun owner, and IMO the AWB is by any reasonable standard an arbitrary and ineffective tool for protecting the public. It substantially relies on aesthetic distinctions between weapons, and I can't see how it makes anyone safer. I would be in favor of allowing it to expire. Unfortunately, the liberal pundits who enthusiastically support it are, in my view, ignorant on the topic of guns, and so they sanctimoniously lobby for this well-intentioned but silly piece of legislation.

I agree 100%. Seems like another political non-issue, like the proposed constitutional bans on gay marriages and flag burning. The ban on assault weapons hasn't appreciably benefited society in any way.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Thera

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Thera
I'll support anything that will result in less police getting killed, but I generally support the military and the police anyway.

Then congratulations, you are against the AWB.

Odd, the article says "Los Angeles police Chief William Bratton and Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca." are for the renewal. Am I missing something?

yeah i find that incredibly odd also - police officers are generally aware of what the AWB is. I dont see why they would support it

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Thera

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Thera
I'll support anything that will result in less police getting killed, but I generally support the military and the police anyway.

Then congratulations, you are against the AWB.

Odd, the article says "Los Angeles police Chief William Bratton and Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca." are for the renewal. Am I missing something?

Just the fact that the AWB really does nothing to protect the police.

The weapons used in the 1997 LA shootout were illegal before the AWB.

 

[broon]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Thera

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Thera
I'll support anything that will result in less police getting killed, but I generally support the military and the police anyway.

Then congratulations, you are against the AWB.

Odd, the article says "Los Angeles police Chief William Bratton and Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca." are for the renewal. Am I missing something?

yeah i find that incredibly odd also - police officers are generally aware of what the AWB is. I dont see why they would support it

It's political. And politics and reality often aren't the same thing.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: K1052

The weapons used in the 1997 LA shootout were illegal before the AWB.

Another good point - they were illegally-modified full-auto AK-47 variants IIRC.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Important to note that the detatchable magazine doesn't have to be in conjuction with the stuff listed after it. The interpretation is open to meaning any weapon with a detatchable mag.

I think you're misreading it. Note, it says " . . . and any semiautomatic rifle or pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and that has any one of the following characteristics . . ."

I didn't misread. The last line of my post addresses it. It doesn't have to be in conjuction with. Across all boards the interpretation is that any detatchable mag would be considered an assault weapon. Would be amended to include all detatchable mag weaps.

I know what you are saying, and in a better position to say what it means, but from the thousands of posts about it, everyone is focusing on the detatchable mag.

 

[Bulk Beef]

Attorney General Bill Lockyer planned to be on hand for a news conference this morning to support renewal of the federal law. Also expected to attend were Los Angeles Mayor Jim Hahn, Los Angeles police Chief William Bratton and Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca.

The news conference was planned outside the Bank of America in North Hollywood -- the scene of a 1997 robbery that culminated in a shootout between two heavily armed gunmen and LAPD officers.

The federal law was passed in 1994. Fat lot of good it did the LAPD, huh?

And CA has had much more restrictive legislation on their books since then. What's the point in pushing for a federal renewal. CA will be safe anyway, right?

 

[JDub02]

for the past 10 years, the AWB did NOTHING!! Let it die, so I can build my AR the way I want to.

In less than a month, I'm ordering up the rest of the parts to go along with the stripped lower receiver sitting in my closet. M4 style, 16" barrel, flash hider, collapsible stock, and a couple 30 round mags. I'll probably burn through a case of ammo in about a week.