Assault Weapons Ban 2015

[Fanatical Meat]

Ummm the killer did not use a AR15. So not sure what the ban would prevent.

Without parsing over minor details it was the same gun with a different manufacturer and name but essentially the same stuff/parts

 

[boomerang]

Since every uninformed boob knows that AR stand for assault rifle, and this includes many members of Congress, why not seek to ban the AR-20 or AR-25? Bigger numbers has to mean a more deadly weapon. The next ISIS sympathizer that Obama's policies dictate federal agencies must ignore might just use an AR-1000! Those should be preemptively banned. Time to be proactive not reactive.

Think of the children.

 

[michal1980]

Why is the left so stupid on this issue? The number of deaths from rifles is a tiny fraction of all murders.

The number of mass shootings is also a tiny fraction of the total number of murders. The left however is acting like trump on this issue. Willing to limit the rights of millions just so they can claim they are doing something.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Since every uninformed boob knows that AR stand for assault rifle, and this includes many members of Congress, why not seek to ban the AR-20 or AR-25? Bigger numbers has to mean a more deadly weapon. The next ISIS sympathizer that Obama's policies dictate federal agencies must ignore might just use an AR-1000! Those should be preemptively banned. Time to be proactive not reactive.

Think of the children.

Boomer come on reasonable limits on magazine size/capacity and thorough background checks that may take a few days plus the FBI being notified about certain gun purchases is not that inconvenient. Even most gun owners agree.

 

[Artdeco]

Boomer come on reasonable limits on magazine size/capacity and thorough background checks that may take a few days plus the FBI being notified about certain gun purchases is not that inconvenient. Even most gun owners agree.

I'm not on board with throwing due process out the window and a 3.5 year wait to contest something they won't even tell me I did to get on the watch list.

The magazine capacity thing is dispelled almost instantly, there's no logic or proof behind the restriction.

The 3 day wait "loophole' is bullshit too, if it didn't exist, the wait could extend to years or never, when was the last time you received expedient federal services? The 3 day wait exemption exists to force the system to act promptly.

Just read a bit on the no fly list, and realized I'm on a secondary list and subject to increased screening because of the existence of a secondary list, and god knows what algorhythm got me on that.

The fact that my check on and carried luggage were screened 3 times in a row suggest my inclusion on the secondary list. I get this little note in my check on luggage "You've been screened".

 

[OutHouse]

Without parsing over minor details it was the same gun with a different manufacturer and name but essentially the same stuff/parts

Fail.

 

[HTFOff]

Wow. You want terrorist to be able to purchase high powered weapons, so they can then kill my fellow Americans.

Obama wants to keep us safe by not allowing terrorist to purchase these deadly weapons. You and the Republican party want easy access to guns.

Whose the real terrorist?

Whoa. You want to make it more difficult both legally and financially for my fellow law abiding americans to exercise their constitutional right in order to defend themselves.

At the same time, use american tax dollars to supply insane people with mortars and stinger missiles used to slaughter innocents in a foreign land.

Why do you hate brown people?

Don't be a hyperbolic twat.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Fail.

parsing, Sophist looking to bicker

The key difference, however, between the standard AR-15 series of rifles and the MCX is the operating system used to mechanically propel the bullet from the gun and cycle the next round to be fired. The initial AR-15 (AR standing for Armalite Rifle), designed by Eugene Stoner in the late 1950s, used a system called “direct impingement.” Most modern AR-15-type rifles use this system.

While aesthetically similar to and just as lethal as an AR-15, the MCX is internally a different beast, thus all but removing it from the AR-15 family of rifles. Yet while the weapon is different, the MCX and the AR-15 share the same design purpose: providing a highly portable, customizable, easy to operate and accurate rifle for the individual who possesses it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...sed-was-not-an-ar-15-that-doesnt-change-much/

I'll give ti to you on the parts, I should have said purpose/design

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I'm not on board with throwing due process out the window and a 3.5 year wait to contest something they won't even tell me I did to get on the watch list.

The magazine capacity thing is dispelled almost instantly, there's no logic or proof behind the restriction.

good then you don't need a bigger magazine/clip

The 3 day wait "loophole' is bullshit too, if it didn't exist, the wait could extend to years or never, when was the last time you received expedient federal services? The 3 day wait exemption exists to force the system to act promptly.

the key word was a few days/reasonable. I'm sure we can hire some more people to process them, some will even be gun owners!

 

[Artdeco]

good then you don't need a bigger magazine/clip


the key word was a few days/reasonable. I'm sure we can hire some more people to process them, some will even be gun owners!

Pro tip, stop using the word clip, it's easy to focus on your incorrect use of the term and then ignore the rest of your post. If you want to be taken seriously, learn the terminology.

We (or I) look at what you posted and see instead:

good then you don't need a bigger magazine/(I'm a moron SJW who can't be bothered to learn anything, I just run my mouth about things I really don't understand)



My home state currently limits magazines to 15 rounds (Colorado), and you're right, it's not that big a deal, the 1.3 seconds it takes to swap out a magazine is nothing, of course if you'd ever bothered to watch a YouTube video, you'd know that, I promise you Omar did.

I don't even understand your point in the second sentence, what are you trying to say?

 

[Pipeline 1010]

good then you don't need a bigger magazine/clip

Need is not a precondition for a right so knock this shit off.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Guys as I said before times have & are changing. You can offer sensible things to compromise on or do nothing and let the majority of D's, R's, I's and a slight majority of gun owners figure out who should be prevented from owning certain types of guns and what process everyone needs to follow. There now is a clear majority that want something different done with guns. So knock me down whatever way you choose just remember this is going to happen now or in the near future. Absolute no gun infringement has become a very, very small percentage of people.

 

[Artdeco]

The whole automatic vs semi automatic thing is just moronic, I've seen videos of people who are really good shots attempting to shoot an automatic weapon and actually hit something, it's a joke.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

Guys as I said before times have & are changing. You can offer sensible things to compromise on or do nothing and let the majority of D's, R's, I's and a slight majority of gun owners figure out who should be prevented from owning certain types of guns and what process everyone needs to follow. There now is a clear majority that want something different done with guns. So knock me down whatever way you choose just remember this is going to happen now or in the near future. Absolute no gun infringement has become a very, very small percentage of people.

Look, you said that people shouldn't be allowed to own large magazines because they don't need to. The burden of proof is on you. Why should rights be taken away? What is the big picture end-goal? Make a good logical case. Tell me how many lives we will save. "Times are changing" is nothing more than vague sophistry. I want substance. Why do I need to have my rights deprived? It is your job to convince me that right should be revoked, not my job to convince you why they should not be.

 

[Artdeco]

Guys as I said before times have & are changing. You can offer sensible things to compromise on or do nothing and let the majority of D's, R's, I's and a slight majority of gun owners figure out who should be prevented from owning certain types of guns and what process everyone needs to follow. There now is a clear majority that want something different done with guns. So knock me down whatever way you choose just remember this is going to happen now or in the near future. Absolute no gun infringement has become a very, very small percentage of people.

Omar jumped any number of regulatory hurdles to legally purchase the weapons he acquired, had he needed to do so he would have gone with a personal sale or just built a bomb, or started a fire, or plowed people down with a car.

My chief law enforcement officer has given me his word he'd sign off on my purchase a fully automatic weapon, and they've been banned for the last 30 years.

If the AR was banned, he would have bought a Ruger Mini 14, if that was banned, a semi automatic shotgun, if that was banned, a Glock, on and on, I promise you it's a never ending battle.

 

[DrPizza]

The definition of "assault weapon" is completely meaningless. Guns shoot bullets, bullets are deadly, end of story.

Here's an analogy: let's say people were using ricers - cars with stupid spoilers, LED lighting underneath, loud sounding exhausts, etc., to kill people by running people over, banning "assault weapons" is like banning riced cars. Completely meaningless. The legislation has zero effect on the lethal part of firearms. A Honda Civic without the stupid lights, stupid fins, and fart can can still run over people EQUALLY as effectively.

Ohhhh, a scary bayonet mount, ohhhh, a folding stock, ohhhh, a barrel shroud, ohhhhh, a flash suppressor, ohhhhh, it's colored black! It's an assault weapon. But this one, the one with a nice maple wood grain stock, that shoots the exact same bullets at the exact same rate... this one is a semi-auto hunting rifle. Everyone knows that wood grain stocks are like kryptonite to terrorists.

 

[bozack]

The definition of "assault weapon" is completely meaningless. Guns shoot bullets, bullets are deadly, end of story.

Here's an analogy: let's say people were using ricers - cars with stupid spoilers, LED lighting underneath, loud sounding exhausts, etc., to kill people by running people over, banning "assault weapons" is like banning riced cars. Completely meaningless. The legislation has zero effect on the lethal part of firearms. A Honda Civic without the stupid lights, stupid fins, and fart can can still run over people EQUALLY as effectively.

Ohhhh, a scary bayonet mount, ohhhh, a folding stock, ohhhh, a barrel shroud, ohhhhh, a flash suppressor, ohhhhh, it's colored black! It's an assault weapon. But this one, the one with a nice maple wood grain stock, that shoots the exact same bullets at the exact same rate... this one is a semi-auto hunting rifle. Everyone knows that wood grain stocks are like kryptonite to terrorists.

As someone mentioned elsewhere more people get killed with Handguns yet it is easier for the media and politicians to vilify a black scary looking rifle than it is most other firearms.

the previous AWB was a joke, and if they were to reinstate it then it would be a longer running joke. People who want to kill will find a way regardless of what options are at their disposal.

 

[Artdeco]

Here's the FBI data:

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/u...able_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2010-2014.xls

Here's what the 86' law did:

http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/...display_db_button=on&results_format=headlines

Those old Colt M16's are going for $25K

 

[shady28]

Seems Hillary has been lying again, this time about what the law is going to do.

Looks like it would block at least 2 million citizens right off the bat.

Just because they're on a "list".

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/06/not-just-the-no-fly-list/

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton ... misrepresented the measure, which would have applied to a much broader group than the no-fly list.

The Senate amendment ...would have applied to a much larger group than the no-fly list.

The largest of the databases is the Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment, or TIDE, which included 1.1 million people as of December 2013. The second is the FBI’s Terrorist Screening Database, which is referred to simply as the Terrorist Watchlist, and contained about 800,000 names, Christopher M. Piehota, the Terrorist Screening Center director, said in congressional testimony on Sept. 18, 2014. The no-fly list is a part of that database. It contains about 64,000 names, according to Piehota’s testimony.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Fail.

BTW, I just heard this guy

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Pratt

Larry Pratt say the AR-15 and "the gun used in FL" are essentially the same gun.

 

[Artdeco]

BTW, I just heard this guy

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Pratts

Larry Pratt say the AR-15 and MCX are essentially the same gun.

He's about right, some of the parts don't interchange, but yes, about the same thing. Sort of a fine point gun advocates are arguing, I wouldn't use the distinction myself... Technically, it's not an AR variant because of the interchangeability issue.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

He's about right, some of the parts don't interchange, but yes, about the same thing. Sort of a fine point gun advocates are arguing, I wouldn't use the distinction myself... Technically, it's not an AR variant because of the interchangeability issue.

Yeah not directed at you it was to the "fail" comment.

 

[glenn1]

Seems Hillary has been lying again, this time about what the law is going to do.

Looks like it would block at least 2 million citizens right off the bat.

Just because they're on a "list".

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/06/not-just-the-no-fly-list/

Hillary and Democrats should just make it simpler and say "if you're black you can't own a firearm" because that's really their objective once you strip away the bullshit. They don't give a flying fvck about Billy Bob Cooter in BFE owning a rifle, they care about gang bangers from the ghetto coming into their part of the city with .25 pistols.

 

[Genx87]

Ummm the killer did not use a AR15. So not sure what the ban would prevent.

Irrelevant to the crazy anti-gunners.

 

[NesuD]

Do you have a pointer to the story that refutes the claim it was an AR-15? Now I know the media routinely messes this up and one has to believe they sometimes do so on purpose, but most everything I've heard or read says AR-15.

EDIT: OK, it looks like it was a Sig Sauer MCX and likely used the .223 cartridge though it can be chambered in other calibers. This doesn't much change the argument and proponents of bans will argue the Sig Sauer MCX is an assault weapon and uses the same ammo as an AR-15. Not sure if the Sig Sauer MCX uses the same magazine as an AR-15 though it looks like it might...


Brian

People keep saying it wasn't an AR15 which may be technically true depending how you look at it. Fact is the MCX is mil spec compatible with the AR15 lower. The AR15 lower is the part that requires a FFL to sell. You can purchase any other part on an AR15 and the seller does not need a FFL. To sell the lower you do. it is the heart of the design. If that weapon was configured with a mil spec AR15 lower and it sounds like it was than for all practical purposes it was an AR15 albeit a highly customized one.

That said AR15 style semi-automatic rifle is not an assault weapon. It is not a military configuration. All military battle rifle versions are select fire capable of full auto and burst modes. Civilians cannot buy weapons with those capabilities.