Assault Weapon or Personal Defense Weapon? Depends on which side you are on.

[momeNt]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-28/department-homeland-security-purchase-7000-assault-weapons

The Department of Homeland Security is seeking to acquire 7,000 5.56x45mm NATO personal defense weapons (PDW) also known as assault weapons when owned by civilians. The solicitation, originally posted on June 7, 2012, comes to light as the Obama administration is calling for a ban on semi-automatic rifles and high capacity magazines.

Citing a General Service Administration (GSA) request for proposal (RFP), Steve McGough of RadioViceOnline.com reports that DHS is asking for the 7,000 select-fire firearms because they are suitable for personal defense use in close quarters. The term select-fire means the weapon can be both semi-automatic and automatic. Civilians are prohibited from obtaining these kinds of weapons.

The militarization of agencies, both police and DHS that operate solely within our borders is very disconcerting. Government inserts itself into a facet of our life and then infects the culture until the insertion becomes indispensable to conducting our lives. If they seek to disarm civilians only to militarize the police and DHS and call that a compromise or even an improvement is really something we can't stand for.

 

[xj0hnx]

The term select-fire means the weapon can be both semi-automatic and automatic. Civilians are prohibited from obtaining these kinds of weapons.

Bad reporting, this is not true.

 

[momeNt]

Bad reporting, this is not true.

Umm... I don't think the RFP was for 7,000 automatic rifles that are compliant with the gun control act of 1968 and hughes act of 1986.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Bad reporting, this is not true.

It's close enough to being meaningfully true to be used as a shortcut. The rarity, price, and tracking of pre-ban autos takes them out of the realm of being penis replacements for conservatives. And that's what we're really talking about when we reference the bad side of guns. It isn't target shooting, hunting, and artistic collecting that are bad -- those are neutral activities; it's when the gun is lusted after for its imagined ability to turn you into an invincible juggernaut of power that possession of the tool becomes a problem, as easy access to the weapon vastly reduces the barriers to acting out the fantasy. As long as the autos fall out of that category, they might as well not exist.

 

[Zebo]

Militarization of our police forces started with "war on drugs" along with unjust searches and asset forfeiture. Hardly can blame Obama for what RR started and all presidents and police depts since are more than happy to continue. It's sad imho someplace between barney fife and clad in black storm troopers would be nice like how when i grew up.

 

[momeNt]

Militarization of our police forces started with "war on drugs" along with unjust searches and asset forfeiture. Hardly can blame Obama for what RR started and all presidents and police depts since are more than happy to continue. It's sad imho someplace between barney fife and clad in black storm troopers would be nice like how when i grew up.

The war on drugs certainly was the advent. Now nearly every warrant is served with the door being busted down, flash-bangs and full military gear as if they were taking down OBL.

I believe that it is getting worse as evidenced by the fact that the militarization is no longer being justified because criminals are becoming ever hardier and resist arrest or it is too dangerous for a pair of officers to peacefully arrest them, but instead merely for protection of the populace. I can understand a dynamic entry when it is reasonable to suspect that the suspects will resist arrest and use lethal force to do so, I do not understand why we are militarizing the DHS with PDWs with almost zero justification.

 

[klinc]

The mini gun looks good

 

[nehalem256]

The rarity, price, and tracking of pre-ban autos takes them out of the realm of being penis replacements for conservatives.

Is that why all the mass shootings keep happening in blue states?

 

[Genx87]

It's close enough to being meaningfully true to be used as a shortcut. The rarity, price, and tracking of pre-ban autos takes them out of the realm of being penis replacements for conservatives. And that's what we're really talking about when we reference the bad side of guns. It isn't target shooting, hunting, and artistic collecting that are bad -- those are neutral activities; it's when the gun is lusted after for its imagined ability to turn you into an invincible juggernaut of power that possession of the tool becomes a problem,as easy access to the weapon vastly reduces the barriers to acting out the fantasy. As long as the autos fall out of that category, they might as well not exist.

And this is the exact reason why govt agencies want this weapon.

 

[xj0hnx]

It's close enough to being meaningfully true to be used as a shortcut. The rarity, price, and tracking of pre-ban autos takes them out of the realm of being penis replacements for conservatives.

That's simply not true. There are MANY of them that can be bought for below $10,000, $3,000-$8,000 is normal for quite a few of the subguns, MAC10, UZI's, hell, I've seen HK auto sears go for $5,000. This is no where near out of range.

 

[Cerb]

It's close enough to being meaningfully true to be used as a shortcut. The rarity, price, and tracking of pre-ban autos takes them out of the realm of being penis replacements for conservatives. And that's what we're really talking about when we reference the bad side of guns. It isn't target shooting, hunting, and artistic collecting that are bad -- those are neutral activities; it's when the gun is lusted after for its imagined ability to turn you into an invincible juggernaut of power that possession of the tool becomes a problem, as easy access to the weapon vastly reduces the barriers to acting out the fantasy. As long as the autos fall out of that category, they might as well not exist.

This is an especially bad idea when they are for government agencies that don't even need to exist, much less be armed. They want them specifically for the purpose of having offensive weapons to use against the people, then to justify their having them when they meet resistance after acting like power-mad idiots, or shove it under the rug when they kill innocents.

 

[Tom]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-28/department-homeland-security-purchase-7000-assault-weapons




The militarization of agencies, both police and DHS that operate solely within our borders is very disconcerting. Government inserts itself into a facet of our life and then infects the culture until the insertion becomes indispensable to conducting our lives. If they seek to disarm civilians only to militarize the police and DHS and call that a compromise or even an improvement is really something we can't stand for.

I'm not disconcerted.

Frankly, I don't understand what you mean when you say the government infects the culture.

I know from personal experience there are vast swaths of our culture that have absolutely nothing to do with firearms.

That rely on the government to create a relatively safe enviroment for their existence.

That's a proper role for government.

 

[spidey07]

I'm not disconcerted.

Frankly, I don't understand what you mean when you say the government infects the culture.

I know from personal experience there are vast swaths of our culture that have absolutely nothing to do with firearms.

That rely on the government to create a relatively safe enviroment for their existence.

That's a proper role for government.

And this post right there gets to the heart of the mind of the liberal. It's what they truly believe.

 

[Tom]

And this post right there gets to the heart of the mind of the liberal. It's what they truly believe.

While that's true, it also describes the vast majority of America, and Americans, whatever their politics.

Even in Kentucky. I spend a lot of time in Kentucky and interact with Kentuckians all the time, with no firearms involved and minimal government interaction.

Even in Idaho.

The America I read about here isn't real, its some kind of paranoid fantasy.

 

[BoberFett]

While that's true, it also describes the vast majority of America, and Americans, whatever their politics.

False.

 

[Tom]

False.

What is false ?

 

[HumblePie]

What is false ?

I don't count on the government to make a perfect utopia. That will never happen.

 

[momeNt]

I'm not disconcerted.

Frankly, I don't understand what you mean when you say the government infects the culture.

I know from personal experience there are vast swaths of our culture that have absolutely nothing to do with firearms.

That rely on the government to create a relatively safe enviroment for their existence.

That's a proper role for government.

What I mean by government infects the culture is that they insert themselves into a part of our lives, social security, medicaid, disability, unemployment, and soon after nobody can remember what it was like to live without those things. We suddenly start thinking that without those things we'd be poorer as a nation. LBJ's war on poverty has given us policy that hasn't moved the poverty in this country one bit. The red cross during the great depression refused government funding and was feeding the needy out of charity until the government forced them to take funds, now we can't even fathom life without EBT cards.

That is what I mean TOM!

 

[Munky]

F'ing BS. What kind of "personal defense" are the goons from DHS planning to carry out with automatic rifles? A SWAT raid? Meanwhile, they try to ban semi-auto rifles for regular civilians. And the ignorant leftoids continue to dance with their heads up their asses because "this time it's different."

 

[Lithium381]

Bad reporting, this is not true.

select fire weapons that have automatic mode? pretty hard to get one for a civilian . . . not sure if they're PROHIBITED but i don't think they hand out permits for those easily

 

[Lithium381]

F'ing BS. What kind of "personal defense" are the goons from DHS planning to carry out with automatic rifles? A SWAT raid? Meanwhile, they try to ban semi-auto rifles for regular civilians. And the ignorant leftoids continue to dance with their heads up their asses because "this time it's different."

IRS has armed swat teams too . . . . pretty scary that MANY government departments are stocking up millions of rounds of ammo . . . . for what?

 

[Agent11]

The government has no responsibility for YOUR well being, only the general population. That may not seem like much of a distinction, but it is.

 

[Munky]

Not even that. The government has the responsibility to keep order, to make sure that the lowly drones are busy enough and distracted enough to not try an uprising. When the government's power is threatened or undermined, it will go to drastic measures to protect it. You might be labeled a loon for stocking up on guns, ammo, and food in a bunker, but the government does the same thing, only bigger.

 

[momeNt]

select fire weapons that have automatic mode? pretty hard to get one for a civilian . . . not sure if they're PROHIBITED but i don't think they hand out permits for those easily

Select-fire weapons made before 1968 are able to be owned by civilians. It is a pain in the butt to be cleared by the ATF though. I don't think any post-1968 automatic weapon is legal to own.

 

[Brovane]

The war on drugs certainly was the advent. Now nearly every warrant is served with the door being busted down, flash-bangs and full military gear as if they were taking down OBL.

I believe that it is getting worse as evidenced by the fact that the militarization is no longer being justified because criminals are becoming ever hardier and resist arrest or it is too dangerous for a pair of officers to peacefully arrest them, but instead merely for protection of the populace. I can understand a dynamic entry when it is reasonable to suspect that the suspects will resist arrest and use lethal force to do so, I do not understand why we are militarizing the DHS with PDWs with almost zero justification.

Second this one. Way to many police departments are calling out the SWAT team for simple warrant's. They then escalate the situation by doing a no-knock warrant. I think a lot of times it is some type of latent thing in the police departments that by being on the SWAT team they get to play being a Special Forces Commando. They can get all excited about dressing up in a black ninja suit with a cool weapon and then execute a warrant on some low level druggie and shoot their dog and then give themselves high-fives all around as if they just took down some dangerous drug lord.