assault weapon ban: wonderful woman talks to panel in DC

[iskim86]

In seattle, it is illegal to carry around a firearm longer than 6'.

 

[tcsenter]

Originally posted by: Matt2
Doesnt the second amendment state that in a well regulated militia, to protect the free state, people have the right to bear arms?

No, otherwise the framers could have wrote the well-regulated militia has a right to keep and bear arms, not "the people". Freedom of speech doesn't apply only to "the people" who are professional regulated government sanctioned orators.

Besides, you left out something..."the right of the people to KEEP and bear arms". It does not say "borrow" from the government or depend on government for their arms, it means to HAVE THEIR OWN PRIVATE ARMS precisely so they needn't depend on the government for them (i.e. "keep"):

It may be supposed from the phraseology of this provision that the right to keep and bear arms was only guaranteed to the militia; but this would be an interpretation not warranted by the intent. The militia, as has been elsewhere explained, consists of those persons who, under the law, are liable to the performance of military duty, and are officered and enrolled for service when called upon. But the law may make provision for the enrolment of all who are fit to perform military duty, or of a small number only, or it may wholly omit to make any provision at all; and if the right were limited to those enrolled, the purpose of this guaranty might be defeated altogether by the action or neglect to act of the government it was meant to hold in check. The meaning of the provision undoubtedly is, that the people, from whom the militia must be taken, shall have the right to keep and bear arms, and they need no permission or regulation of law for the purpose. -- Thomas M. Cooley, The General Principles of Constitutional Law in the United States of America, 281-82 (1891)

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: math20
Can someone explain to me what an assault weapon is?

I am pretty sure it is just a hunting rifle with some evil looking plastic on it.

That's about it.

The actual definition is more in lines with a shorter length, high capacity, high powered rifle more suited to melee rather than distance shooting. They are also usually fully-automatic or easily converted.

What amused said, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

alkemyst was dead on, other than the high-powered part...

Um, no. He wasn't. Not the by definitions laid out in the assault weapons ban.

Dumbass, let me repeat since you are obviously of the broader forehead and lower hanging appendage type.

I stated the actual definition of more or less what an assault rifle should be. I was not stating anything the law makers and people think. I repeated that once already for you.

To most any weapon that shoots out something and doesn't have a red-plastic tipped barrel is an assault rifle or terrorist weapon.

So go ahead and feel that because you have some kind of plastic enhanced hunting rifle; you are now one of the world's elite fighting machines.

 

[crt1530]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: math20
Can someone explain to me what an assault weapon is?

I am pretty sure it is just a hunting rifle with some evil looking plastic on it.

That's about it.

The actual definition is more in lines with a shorter length, high capacity, high powered rifle more suited to melee rather than distance shooting. They are also usually fully-automatic or easily converted.

What amused said, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

alkemyst was dead on, other than the high-powered part...

Um, no. He wasn't. Not the by definitions laid out in the assault weapons ban.

Dumbass, let me repeat since you are obviously of the broader forehead and lower hanging appendage type.

I stated the actual definition of more or less what an assault rifle should be. I was not stating anything the law makers and people think. I repeated that once already for you.

To most any weapon that shoots out something and doesn't have a red-plastic tipped barrel is an assault rifle or terrorist weapon.

So go ahead and feel that because you have some kind of plastic enhanced hunting rifle; you are now one of the world's elite fighting machines.

You're the dumbass. You made up a definition based on nothing. That is not the "actual definition." It is not even the politicians' made up definition per the assault weapon ban. It's just what you pulled out of your ass on the spot.

There is an actual definition that has been used by militaries for decades. There is a catch phrase definition used by politicians to scare people into supporting gun control. Now, Anandtech finally knows what the REAL definition SHOULD BE according to alkemyst. Thanks, dumbass.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Dumbass, let me repeat since you are obviously of the broader forehead and lower hanging appendage type.

Wow. Does your e-penis feel enormous now? Do you feel like a real man now? Does talking like this on the web make up for a lifetime of emasculating bullying you've had to endure?

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Dumbass, let me repeat since you are obviously of the broader forehead and lower hanging appendage type.

Wow. Does your e-penis feel enormous now? Do you feel like a real man now? Does talking like this on the web make up for a lifetime of emasculating bullying you've had to endure?

Huh, you seem to have issues. I don't play a character online as you seen to think everyone does.

Anyway. there is actually a good definition here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle

I should have stated selective fire, but the fully automatic weapons I have experience have be able to have single shot selected. To me it wasn't a separate issue.

The definition calls for medium load ammo.

High capacity is there.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Dumbass, let me repeat since you are obviously of the broader forehead and lower hanging appendage type.

Wow. Does your e-penis feel enormous now? Do you feel like a real man now? Does talking like this on the web make up for a lifetime of emasculating bullying you've had to endure?

Huh, you seem to have issues. I don't play a character online as you seen to think everyone does.

Anyway. there is actually a good definition here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle

I should have stated selective fire, but the fully automatic weapons I have experience have be able to have single shot selected. To me it wasn't a separate issue.

The definition calls for medium load ammo.

High capacity is there.

And the topic of this thread is the "assault weapon ban." Not the classic definitions the government does not recognize.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban

I have no issues. I don't have a need to blatantly insult people like you do to make my point. Facts do that very well.

As defined in the Assault Weapons Ban, an assault weapon is just a mean looking semi-automatic rifle that is mechanically identical to most hunting rifles, but dressed up to look mean.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Amused
I have no issues. I don't have a need to blatantly insult people like you do to make my point. Facts do that very well.

You may want to re-read your initial reply then or are you simply unaware of your actions.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Amused
I have no issues. I don't have a need to blatantly insult people like you do to make my point. Facts do that very well.

You may want to re-read your initial reply then or are you simply unaware of your actions.

I'm fully aware of my actions. Your definition of "Assault Weapon" in the context of the Assault Weapon bans was completely off base, and is exactly what the general, gun ignorant public is lead to believe they are rather than what the ban really covers.

Let's see, I said:

People ignorant of guns should not post in gun threads.
...
So please, stop trying to act like you know what you're talking about. With a few simple cosmetic changes ANY semi-auto hunting rifle can be made into a dreaded "assault weapon."

And you said:

Dumbass, let me repeat since you are obviously of the broader forehead and lower hanging appendage type.

If you cannot see the difference, you need serious help.

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: joshsquall
Do you actually have a rational argument against the general public owning guns, or are you just going to spout bullsh!t all day long?

Well since you ask so nicely...

Firstly, I have nothing against 'owning guns' as such, in fact I'd quite like to take up hunting some day and I will need a rifle for that. If I wanted to take up shooting as a sport I would need a single shot pistol.

These firearms should be allowed, but they should be strictly controlled. Tests and training should be required before sale, ammunition should be limited, and people should *under no circumstances* be allowed to carry a firearm on the street - there is no purpose to this other than to kill another human being, whether in defense or otherwise. For this reason I would ban semiauto handguns, as the only purpose of these is to carry on the street, and to kill human beings.

But, you say, if we make handguns illegal then only criminals will have handguns. Well I say police it! Search people! Put them to rot in jail for 20 years if they carry on the street - that will make them think twice.

Of course the ideal situation is to have the public at least equal to the criminals, but wouldn't it be better if both were 'weak' rather than 'powerful'? Fists rather than guns, as it were?

You believe that in spite of the FACT that statistically, people with CCW's almost NEVER commit gun crimes. Your solution is to take away rights from people that DO NOT commit gun crimes with the hope that the people who DO commit gun crimes will all of a sudden decide to start obeying the law? Law enforcement is largely reactionary. They arrest someone after they have committed a crime (such as murdering someone). They are unable to truly protect us but you are advocating that the government should remove that ability from people who statistically never commit gun crimes? Do you see how absurd it sounds? Not to mention that with our huge boarders (and lack of control of them) and the sheer number of guns that are already in circulation it would be impossible to rid our society of them.

And as has been said, the true meaning behind the 2nd amendment is to allow the people to protect themselves from the government in case it ever became tyrannical. Coincidently, the British tried to disarm the populace before the Revolutionary war. How do you think we would have made out if they had succeeded? Also, one of the first things that Hitler did was to disarm the populace.

 

[TallBill]

high powered rifle

Hah, a .308 round out of a bolt action is far more "high powered" then the typical AR-15. I'd be willing to bet that the average caliber size of semi-autos is smaller then the average hunting gun round.

 

[RaiderJ]

If some crazy with an assault rifle ever comes packing to where I'm at, I can only hope everybody else is packing too. Otherwise, all we'll be able to do is throw our wireless mice.

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: TallBill

high powered rifle

Hah, a .308 round out of a bolt action is far more "high powered" then the typical AR-15. I'd be willing to bet that the average caliber size of semi-autos is smaller then the average hunting gun round.

No need to bet, the average hunting round is far more powerful than most any semi-auto assault weapon.

I hunt Elk with a .375 H&H, and for the record, I would LOVE to have an AR platform rifle in that caliber. 😀

 

[IeraseU]

10/10 , I'd get over my fear of commitment and marriage and propose on the spot if I met a girl with a head on her shoulders like this one has.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Amused
If you cannot see the difference, you need serious help.

That is ironic, considering in my 'definition' I stated the real definition is actually closer to...but you decided to come off as God's gift to gun knowledge and that no one else on ATOT must even have any experience.

All that said, I am standing by my definition. What the government is doing through its people is simply banning guns. I am not going to use their definitions of anything I don't agree with.

What's being banned as an assault rifle is hardly that. Also what many use to hunt with are hardly proper hunting rifles. Also I don't agree with those shooting long either...that's sniping; not hunting. Only a few hunters out there are effective at the distances people are trying for. As a hunter, that animal is going to die...it's up to you to make sure it's as quickly as possible preserving the meat.

Not everyone has to agree with you.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Amused
If you cannot see the difference, you need serious help.

That is ironic, considering in my 'definition' I stated the real definition is actually closer to...but you decided to come off as God's gift to gun knowledge and that no one else on ATOT must even have any experience.

All that said, I am standing by my definition. What the government is doing through its people is simply banning guns. I am not going to use their definitions of anything I don't agree with.

What's being banned as an assault rifle is hardly that. Also what many use to hunt with are hardly proper hunting rifles. Also I don't agree with those shooting long either...that's sniping; not hunting. Only a few hunters out their are effective at the distances people are trying for. As a hunter, that animal is going to die...it's up to you to make sure it's as quickly as possible preserving the meat.

Not everyone has to agree with you.

OK, but the TOPIC OF THE THREAD IS THE ASSAULT WAEPONS BAN.

There, could you read that?

We both agree the law, and restrictions are absurd. The only thing we disagree on is using the historical definition of assault weapons when the topic is the ban.

In reality, "Assault Weapon is, for the most part, a made up term to demonize certain characteristics of common semi-auto guns. The historical definition is all but lost to the gun grabber's propaganda. When you do use the historical definition of Assault Weapon in the context of the ban, you merely HELP them by panicking the ignorant.

 

[jman19]

Guns are a necessary evil, sadly. As long as anyone has the ability to carry guns, we all should.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Amused
In reality, "Assault Weapon is, for the most part, a made up term to demonize certain characteristics of common semi-auto guns. The historical definition is all but lost to the gun grabber's propaganda. When you do use the historical definition of Assault Weapon in the context of the ban, you merely HELP them by panicking the ignorant.

In reality the assault rifle is, for the most part, a necessary tool to do a job.

I don't agree with calming the ignorant though. I say educate or dispatch them.

I don't have an assault rifle now, however; if our toilet is flushed I will make sure I have quite a few arms here.

 

[upsciLLion]

Originally posted by: adairusmc
No need to bet, the average hunting round is far more powerful than most any semi-auto assault weapon.

I hunt Elk with a .375 H&H, and for the record, I would LOVE to have an AR platform rifle in that caliber. 😀

7.62x39 is ballistically very similar to .30-30. 😉

Also, in case anybody cares, I'm pretty sure an assault weapon is a political term for military pattern rifles/carbines available in semi auto only, where as assault rifle is a military term for a magazine fed rifle/carbine capable of full auto or burst fire.

And just for good measure: my AR-15.

 

[ghostman]

I'm somewhat on the fence on this matter, but the more I read the poor arguments made by those against guns, the more I feel that I'm in favor of concealed carry.

If we could truly prevent anyone from owning a gun (legally or illegally), then I'm ok with a gun ban. But let's face it, that will never happen. I live in NYC and sat in a grand jury for two weeks. There, I heard time after time that the defendant illegally possessed a gun. NYC is one of the most difficult places to get a gun, yet that doesn't deter criminals. Yet I'd be defenseless in my own home if any one of these criminals broke in.

On the other hand, there are several cases where children have accidentally shot themselves or others with their parent's legally owned gun. Perhaps the Va. Tech shooter would never have had a opportunity to kill all those people. Lots of guns also end up in the hands of criminals because they stole it from a person who owned it legally. In these cases, I'm tempted to agree with a gun ban.

I just hate the argument that owning guns will naturally lead more gang shootings and anarchy. We already have states that are very liberal about gun possession to see that this assumption is incorrect.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: math20
Can someone explain to me what an assault weapon is?

I am pretty sure it is just a hunting rifle with some evil looking plastic on it.

That's about it.

The actual definition is more in lines with a shorter length, high capacity, high powered rifle more suited to melee rather than distance shooting. They are also usually fully-automatic or easily converted.

What amused said, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

alkemyst was dead on, other than the high-powered part...

Um, no. He wasn't. Not the by definitions laid out in the assault weapons ban.

math20 didn't ask how the assault weapon ban defined an assault weapon, he asked what an assault weapon is. That is the question alkemyst answered, and he answered it correctly.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: math20
Can someone explain to me what an assault weapon is?

I am pretty sure it is just a hunting rifle with some evil looking plastic on it.

That's about it.

The actual definition is more in lines with a shorter length, high capacity, high powered rifle more suited to melee rather than distance shooting. They are also usually fully-automatic or easily converted.

What amused said, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

alkemyst was dead on, other than the high-powered part...

Um, no. He wasn't. Not the by definitions laid out in the assault weapons ban.

math20 didn't ask how the assault weapon ban defined an assault weapon, he asked what an assault weapon is. That is the question alkemyst answered, and he answered it correctly.

He asked it in a thread about the Assualt Weapons Ban, and even semi-defined it correctly according to the Assault Weapons Ban.

 

[math20]

"math20 didn't ask how the assault weapon ban defined an assault weapon, he asked what an assault weapon is."

I asked a rhetorical question aimed at showing how stupid the assault weapons ban is, just wanted to clarify.

 

[BudAshes]

Pro gun people always seem to be such idiots. I have no problem with guns, but i do have a problem with idiots with guns. I don't think most people should be able to get a drivers license, let alone a gun.

 

[upsciLLion]

Originally posted by: BudAshes
Pro gun people always seem to be such idiots. I have no problem with guns, but i do have a problem with idiots with guns. I don't think most people should be able to get a drivers license, let alone a gun.

We're all closet homos and have small dicks to boot!