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blankslate

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I easily could be wrong, just working off memory on this.
Also I know the point to avoid Sweeded was to avoid being extradited.

You never know maybe Sweden would like to make it easier for Assange to be extradited to the U.S.

thanks dud for finding that story.

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You never know, maybe Sweden would like to deal with his original rape charges.

I never said they wouldn't like I said I have heard that Sweden was considering reinstating the charges they could while the statute of limitations has not expired.
Perhaps an easier time for the U.S. to extradite would be a bonus.
but go on with your bad self.


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I never said they wouldn't like I said I have heard that Sweden was considering reinstating the charges they could while the statute of limitations has not expired.
Perhaps an easier time for the U.S. to extradite would be a bonus.
but go on with your bad self.


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The Brits are far more likely to do an extradition deal with the US than the Swedes.
 

Jhhnn

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The Brits are far more likely to do an extradition deal with the US than the Swedes.

I figure the US & the UK will have it all worked out before Assange's 50 week sentence is up. The Swedes will probably just smile & wave- "Buh-bye, Julian! Buh-bye now! See Ya!"
 

cytg111

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Could they not just shoot him for being an asshole to humanity? /sarcasmsortof
 

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I keep wondering if I feel sure enough regarding what I think about all this to pick an argument with liberals. Truth is I'm very undecided/ambivalent/confused about it. I hate that. Weak position to be in.

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I'd be fine with Assange facing charges in Sweden. He seems a weird bloke at best, and I can entirely believe he did something wrong there. If they convict him and lock him up for that, fine by me. But I can't get on side with liberals who are on the same page as the Trump administration in being determined to see him extradited to the US and probably locked-up there.


Regardless of the legal technicalities of what Wikileaks did, it just sticks in the craw that after all the murderous crimes involved with the invasion of Iraq, its only Assange who is suppose to face justice. Wikileaks exposed war crimes. Nobody has faced any charges for those.

And of course Dubya, Blair and the rest of the neo-con gang who bought about mass death are still free and rich. In that context I can't get enthusiastic about moving heaven and earth to find a legal mechanism to 'get' Assange (however dislikable he is as an individual, something which even some of his supporters seem to admit).
 
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cytg111

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We now know that Assange was well aware that he was dealing with Russian intelligence in terms of the hacked material and that he threw the Seth Rich stuff out there as interference...
As a civilian. If you play that hand. I mean, you too stupid to breathe the same air as me. Sorry. No mercy.
 
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Jhhnn

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We now know that Assange was well aware that he was dealing with Russian intelligence in terms of the hacked material and that he threw the Seth Rich stuff out there as interference...
As a civilian. If you play that hand. I mean, you too stupid to breathe the same air as me. Sorry. No mercy.

While utterly slimy, none of that is illegal. Assange has the right to publish outright lies & protect his sources, even when that's the Russian govt. Conspiring to hack passwords to anybody's computers, particularly the Govt's, is a crime & that's what he's charged with. As I've offered before, the only defense is to say he was just humoring Manning to encourage her, that he didn't actually do anything to try to help. It might win him acquittal, or not. In the meanwhile, he's paying his dues to the UK legal system for 50 weeks & likely won't see daylight until he settles his score with the US, one way or another.
 

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Too bad the charges in the indictment aren't about anything that happened in 2016...

because that fact makes anyone bringing up the e-mails from 2016 seem like maybe they are talking about things they really shouldn't be as they just don't know what the charges in the indictment are specifically about yet are talking about it as if they did know...

I'd rather that the material about war crimes be known to some of the general public than unknown except to a very few.


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Jhhnn

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Too bad the charges in the indictment aren't about anything that happened in 2016...

because that fact makes anyone bringing up the e-mails from 2016 seem like maybe they are talking about things they really shouldn't be as they just don't know what the charges in the indictment are specifically about yet are talking about it as if they did know...

I'd rather that the material about war crimes be known to some of the general public than unknown except to a very few.


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Assange apparently had that material before he conspired with Manning to crack passwords. When you're the Edge Lord of expose' journalism bad mistakes can be costly because, well, yeah, they *are* out to get you, for real. Or, sometimes attention whores get more than they bargained for.

The charge he's facing is a 5 year rap-

https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomas...ars-in-american-jail--heres-why/#5640f6be5a43

It's ironic that he'd be a free man today even if convicted had he not holed up in the embassy for 7 years.
 

cytg111

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While utterly slimy, none of that is illegal. Assange has the right to publish outright lies & protect his sources, even when that's the Russian govt. Conspiring to hack passwords to anybody's computers, particularly the Govt's, is a crime & that's what he's charged with. As I've offered before, the only defense is to say he was just humoring Manning to encourage her, that he didn't actually do anything to try to help. It might win him acquittal, or not. In the meanwhile, he's paying his dues to the UK legal system for 50 weeks & likely won't see daylight until he settles his score with the US, one way or another.
Yea yea.... I guess...
 

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In today's episode of As the Stomach Turns ... Sweden reopens rape case against Assange:


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...-probe-seek-extradition/ar-AABgprH?ocid=ientp


"Prosecutors in Sweden reopened a rape case against WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, a month after he was forcibly removed from the Ecuadorian Embassy in London and after a U.S. extradition request over computer hacking charges.
The decision complicates U.S. efforts to try Assange for leaking classified documents.

A sexual assault investigation into Assange was dropped two years ago because prosecutors were not able to continue their case while he was holed up in the embassy. It was reopened Monday at the request of one of the alleged victims.
Prosecutors in Sweden also renewed an extradition request for Assange, raising a competing claim to the U.S.'s. And it is not clear which extradition request will take priority, said Eva-Marie Persson, Sweden’s deputy director of public prosecutions, during a news conference in the country's capital, Stockholm.

Anand Doobay, a London-based lawyer who specializes in extradition law, said that the decision will be decided in court and that it could take months if not years and may ultimately reside with Britain's secretary of state.

One of the factors that would be considered is if the U.S.'s request is politically motivated and whether Assange would face the death penalty or be charged with additional crimes related to his publication of U.S. military and diplomatic secrets.

The stolen material, according to the U.S. Justice Department, includes 90,000 war reports related to Afghanistan, 400,000 from the Iraq War, 800 Guantanamo Bay detainee assessments and 250,000 State Department cables.

Assange maintains it was in the public interest to publish them because they reveal the behavior of the U.S. government and how it operates in foreign military adventures.

Assange was arrested last month inside the Ecuador's Embassy after the South American country revoked his political asylum. He sought asylum in the embassy in June 2012 to avoid extradition to Sweden, where he was wanted for questioning over rape and sexual assault allegations. At the time, Assange's legal team believed that if he were extradited to Sweden he would subsequently be extradited to the U.S. A case of alleged sexual misconduct was dropped when the statute of limitations expired.

The Australian national, 47, has already started serving a 50-week sentence in a British prison for skipping bail se and seeking refuge in Ecuador's Embassy.

"There are significant legal obstacles for the U.S. case," said Daniela Nadj, a professor of law at Queen Mary, University of London, adding that "many questions need to be answered." Among them: If Sweden decides to renew its extradition claim whether a rape allegation should take precedence over a hacking one.

The U.S. extradition hearing began in a London court on May 2."
 

Jhhnn

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I don't think Sweden getting involved will change Assange's situation. Now that he's a known bail jumper nobody will turn him loose until his cases are resolved. The Brits will hold him for the Swedes and/or the Americans & they in turn will hold him for the other no matter who goes first. More legal wrangling at this point just means more time behind bars. He's pretty much fukololo for some while to come.
 
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/23/...l?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage


I agree with the NYT on this. This causes huge 1st Amendment issues and will have unintended consequences to our rights for years to come. For those that always complain that the Trump admin is destroying the constitution, well here’s a legit case where it is.

A journalist does aid in a break-in to get documents. No other journalist has been charged and they all reported on the leaks. Only Assange helped with the break-in.
 

cytg111

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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/23/...l?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage


I agree with the NYT on this. This causes huge 1st Amendment issues and will have unintended consequences to our rights for years to come. For those that always complain that the Trump admin is destroying the constitution, well here’s another legit case where it is.
(FTFY)
Just got done of the first segment of Maddow from last night, she rolled this perspective as well, came to post it.
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow...st-amendment-with-assange-charges-60227653703
Tearing it all down one little brick at a time. Who cares about a lil war on the fake ass news media amiright?
Winning!
 

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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/23/...l?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

I agree with the NYT on this. This causes huge 1st Amendment issues and will have unintended consequences to our rights for years to come. For those that always complain that the Trump admin is destroying the constitution, well here’s a legit case where it is.

I agree that PUBLISHING information obtained illegally should be protected by the first amendment. It appears Assange may have assisted in obtaining that information though. If that turns out to be true he has no first amendment protection.

I’m just glad the fact that he has been operating as a Russian intelligence asset for the last ten years or so has finally come into the mainstream consciousness.
 
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I have to admit: while I don't want to belittle the ramifications of the charges, it is amusing to watch a certain section of the Trump camp have an existential crisis with Assange's situation. Trump was supposed to be their god, but he just betrayed them by taking down their hero. You'd think they'd have realized by now that it's just a matter of when Trump throws someone under the bus, not if.

I've seen at least one or two of those same people actively calling on people to vote Trump out of office in 2020, that's how disillusioned they are with him.