moshquerade
No Lifer
- Nov 1, 2001
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ass kissers don't seem to be the ones who get respect. without respect can you really get anywhere?
ass kissers don't seem to be the ones who get respect. without respect can you really get anywhere?
kranky
Elite Member
- Oct 9, 1999
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I've seen suck-ups move up, but it doesn't work for long. Managers who love to have their ass kissed will tend to reward those who do it, but eventually people have to produce results.
I think people who put the same amount of effort into performance will come out ahead. Using ass-kissing as a career strategy is not going to work over the long haul. I think the best strategy is quite simple: find out what your boss wants, and give it to him/her. Making your boss successful will go a long way, much farther than sucking up will.
I think people who put the same amount of effort into performance will come out ahead. Using ass-kissing as a career strategy is not going to work over the long haul. I think the best strategy is quite simple: find out what your boss wants, and give it to him/her. Making your boss successful will go a long way, much farther than sucking up will.
BoomerD
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- Feb 26, 2006
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When you spend your day with your nose so far up your boss's ass that if he turned quckly you'd break your neck...everyone else notices, and the odds are, your boss really doesn't like it one dammed bit. (although some seem to thrive on such treatment)
I've been fortunate, spending 30+ years in the construction trades, ass-kissers rarely lasted. Nepotism was a far bigger problem. One company was known as Parents, Cousins, & Close friends...because those were the people who always advanced....
I've been fortunate, spending 30+ years in the construction trades, ass-kissers rarely lasted. Nepotism was a far bigger problem. One company was known as Parents, Cousins, & Close friends...because those were the people who always advanced....
It's because the people who sit there and work hard, only, are usually the people that don't speak up and let their managers know what they want. Are you unhappy with the project you are working on? Let him/her know. Do you want to test the waters in a leadership position? Let them know. Are you in need of better pay? Let them know (of course you have to be delicate with this one). If you don't speak up and just sit there and work hard then they think you are satisfied with your job. It would be nice if they recognize your hard work on their own...but sometimes you have to speak up. The ass kissers seem to get more because they are more vocal. Also, ass kissing only works with specific types of managers. Like the ones that need an ego stroke.
Yes, you have to kiss ass to get anywhere at a job. Its an unfortunate truth.
If you just rely on "I'm a good worker, I'm doing my job and I'm getting shit done, but don't kiss ass" you will be over looked in every promotion to the bosses friends.
Seriously. There is more to work than just doing work, its making everybody feel good too in the process. Which requires you to kiss ass.
If you just rely on "I'm a good worker, I'm doing my job and I'm getting shit done, but don't kiss ass" you will be over looked in every promotion to the bosses friends.
Seriously. There is more to work than just doing work, its making everybody feel good too in the process. Which requires you to kiss ass.
it depends a lot on the corporation & how they make their money.
at some defense contractors, they make a lot of money as a
consulting house, billing the government for the engineers' time.
so then the goal is to - maximize those billing expenditures.
let's say there was a cheap material that would solve a serious design
problem. or, a $5 million re-design, to solve the same design
problem.
in certain cases, the engineers that present data supporting
the need for the $5 million re-design will get the brownie points.
at some defense contractors, they make a lot of money as a
consulting house, billing the government for the engineers' time.
so then the goal is to - maximize those billing expenditures.
let's say there was a cheap material that would solve a serious design
problem. or, a $5 million re-design, to solve the same design
problem.
in certain cases, the engineers that present data supporting
the need for the $5 million re-design will get the brownie points.
Negative. You won't go anywhere if you just work hard and don't say anything. If you are a valued member of your company and you voice a desire to do something they will usually listen. If you are a passive person and try to avoid being in the spotlight then that is where your problem lays.
lokiju
Lifer
- May 29, 2003
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Man there's this guy where I work that is all kiss ass in front of the managers and such a fucking slacker the rest of the time it drives me nuts.
I cannot believe how much slacking he gets away with, all just because he knows how to play the kiss ass game and put on a good show for anyone that's at a higher level than he is.
I cannot believe how much slacking he gets away with, all just because he knows how to play the kiss ass game and put on a good show for anyone that's at a higher level than he is.
Some people move up through job performance, and some people move up by kissing the right ass. I've even seen some women move up to executive level positions by sucking the right dick. I guess that makes all of them useful talents??
Keep in mind that those who slack and suck at their jobs, but kiss ass will eventually get what is coming to them. In most jobs, as you move up in management, slacking will result in a more noticeable and greater negative impact on a business. At that point, there are also fewer people to place blame on so that kiss ass slacker gets the spotlight that they deserve. Eventually, they either get fired or get put in a dead end position.
Obviously this is not always the case and it does tremendously revolve around who their boss is and the particular business, but that is not the point. The point is that if you are productive, have good people skills, develop leadership potential, and are professional then you will move up the ladder and succeed. The odds are with you when it comes to succeeding more than the kiss ass. Of course, you have to be smart about your career too. If you are working in a place where the management is awful to the point where your career advancement is being delayed a lot despite your true quality then you may wish to look elsewhere for employment.
Obviously this is not always the case and it does tremendously revolve around who their boss is and the particular business, but that is not the point. The point is that if you are productive, have good people skills, develop leadership potential, and are professional then you will move up the ladder and succeed. The odds are with you when it comes to succeeding more than the kiss ass. Of course, you have to be smart about your career too. If you are working in a place where the management is awful to the point where your career advancement is being delayed a lot despite your true quality then you may wish to look elsewhere for employment.
Gooberlx2
Lifer
- May 4, 2001
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I think a certain amount of ass kissing is probably required...but not the praise-a-person's-ego kind. You have to show that you're motivated, professional and able to keep up. It comes off as more like being a teacher's pet, but I don't necessarily consider it ass-kissing, though others might.
But it's true, just working hard and never speaking up or otherwise making yourself noticed won't do you many favors.
But it's true, just working hard and never speaking up or otherwise making yourself noticed won't do you many favors.
It's all one big game anyway, and you have to know how to play it. One big political stage play with rules that appear to not make sense, but we're dealing with people here and their emotions. So manipulation and managing perception is part of the game
As mentioned good corporate behavior and tact can be seen as ass kissing but it really isn't. The name of the game is to get the farther than the others and by making your boss look good that goal is easier.
this.
you can always find ways to make extra $$ outside of a main job.
Once it is compromised, you cannot earn your dignity back.
ultimatebob
Lifer
- Jul 1, 2001
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Until you get into middle management... then your "people" (or ass kissing) skills become more important.
Of course... you can always go into consulting if you want to stay technical. That's what I did.
meltdown75
Lifer
- Nov 17, 2004
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nothing wrong with a little brown-nosing... as long as you're aware you're doing it as a means to an end. end being more $. i'm here for a paycheque, the bigger the better. nothing else matters to me when it comes to my job. i missed opportunities in the past because i didn't kiss the booty. now i'm perfectly fine with swallowing my pride and planting one on the hineys that have the power to pull strings. not doing so would give a large number of douchebags an unfair advantage over me. when it comes time for promotions and advancement, i know from experience that management's personal opinion of the workers up for consideration comes drastically into play. that's how it is where i work anyway.
MaxDepth
Diamond Member
- Jun 12, 2001
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One person in my group excels in ass-kissing. All of his projects have gone over budget and taken longer, including one failing so miserably that our CIO got called onto the carpet but somehow this person is still here and is given more responsibilities.
I just don't understand.
I just don't understand.
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