ASRock K8S8X or Asus K8V SE Deluxe for 3400+?

Imyourzero

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Hi guys,

I'm pretty proud of myself because I've had the urge to upgrade from my P4 2.53 rig to an A64 for several months, but I haven't rushed into buying something I might regret.

After debating back and forth between S754 and S939, I've pretty much decided on S754 because it will cost less and I plan to upgrade again when DDR2 and/or PCI-E become widely available. A lot of people talk about the "upgrade potential" of S939 but none of those boards come with either of the aforementioned features that I know of, and I'm sure I'll want to take advantage of them so I don't see much point in spending the extra cash for a S939 board (especially since I can't seem to find one without numerous issues...plus as we all know, dual channel provides only a very modest performance boost...not worth the extra money IMO).

ANYWAY, back to the point. I want a good, solid A64 board and from what I can tell the K8S8X and K8V SE Deluxe look like two of the boards with the least amount of issues and hassles. The K8S8X is light on features but everyone claims it's a very solid board that works right out of the box. The K8V SE is a little more feature-rich but I've also seen few problems out of this board (plus, I doubt AMD would pick that board for their promotional bundle if it was plagued with problems).

Initially I wanted a NForce3 250 GB board, but I can't seem to find any that don't have issues. The MSI Neo Platinum and the EPoX board both looked like a solid bet, but I've found that the reviews are mixed on both of those...some users are trouble free and others have various problems. However, if you guys can suggest a good solid NF3 250GB-based board, I'll certainly consider anything that's mentioned. The Asus NF3 250GB board (is it K8N-e?) looked very nice at first and it seems the overclocking issues have been fixed, but I've read it's pretty picky about memory. Of course, there is the argument that ANY Athlon 64 machine will be picky about memory.

Basically though, the ASRock K8S8X and Asus K8V SE Deluxe look attractive because I can get both for under $100 and both seem to be very solid. The Asus board isn't exactly at the top of the benchmarks, but I'll gladly take stability over speed. The MSI, EPoX, Chaintech, etc. seem to be marginally faster but it seem the Asus is among the most problem-free boards out of the K8T800 offerings.

Comments? Whatever I buy will be paired with a 3400+ Newcastle and most likely will not be overclocked. I don't think the 3400+'s have much room to overclock anyway, since they're already near the ~2.45/2.5 GHz ceiling that most users seem to hit on air cooling.

Thoughts?
 

epsilon9090

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Unless your board goes up in flames when you set it up, you really shouldn't have any problems beyond getting problematic temperature readings with an A64. I have a Chaintech VNF3-250, it is not the GB version but 250 nonetheless. It was only 80 bucks, and it runs great and is very stable. The only problem I have with it is that the temperature readings are pretty bugged up and you have to use SpeedFan to get a temp.

For you, I would reccomend the MSI Neo Platinum. That is probably your best bet currently, and I would reccomend that to you BASED ON REVIEWS.

Based on my experience, my VNF3-250 seems to be the most problem-free one that I have enountered, and its cheap. I also love that it comes with a riser add in for the extra sound ports.
 

karlreading

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erm i would buy a late hammer core 3400+ and o/c that, itll still hit the same cieling as a newcastle but youll have the extra cache. karlos
 

Imyourzero

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Originally posted by: karlreading
erm i would buy a late hammer core 3400+ and o/c that, itll still hit the same cieling as a newcastle but youll have the extra cache. karlos

But it's not guaranteed from what I understand...everything I've read suggests that the Clawhammers don't overclock nearly as well as the Newcastles. Plus the best Clawhammer to get is a CG and aren't those kinda hard to find? I'd hate to take the gamble and order one and get one with a different stepping...
 

Imyourzero

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Originally posted by: epsilon9090
Unless your board goes up in flames when you set it up, you really shouldn't have any problems beyond getting problematic temperature readings with an A64. I have a Chaintech VNF3-250, it is not the GB version but 250 nonetheless. It was only 80 bucks, and it runs great and is very stable. The only problem I have with it is that the temperature readings are pretty bugged up and you have to use SpeedFan to get a temp.

For you, I would reccomend the MSI Neo Platinum. That is probably your best bet currently, and I would reccomend that to you BASED ON REVIEWS.

Based on my experience, my VNF3-250 seems to be the most problem-free one that I have enountered, and its cheap. I also love that it comes with a riser add in for the extra sound ports.

Yeah the MSI Neo Platinum seems like a great board when I read the Newegg reviews, but there are a lot of posts about it having problems on the forums. Not only here but on the MSI forums as well. The reviews do look good but the last thing I want is to get that board and end up posting in the Motherboard forum about how my MSI Neo Plat is having issues.
 

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I've had all three of the motherboards you're talking about. Between the ASRock K8S8X and the Asus K8V it's not a contest, K8X8X in a landslide in both stability and performance. I urge you to stay away from the K8V, it's garbage. Now, putting the K8N-E Deluxe into the equation makes it very interesting. I am the foremost and first proponent of the K8S8X on these boards but I have to say I'm quite impressed with the Asus K8N-E Deluxe. It's as stable as the K8S8X and if you're not using IDE devices then it's the equal of the K8S8X and surpasses it when it comes to features. If you're still using IDE devices I would stick with the K8S8X; nVidia *still* doesn't know for the life of the company how to write a stable and non-problematic IDE driver and even just using the default MS ones doesn't seem to solve all the issues.

If you want stability and use IDE devices, ASRock K8S8X
If you want stability, don't use IDE devices, and want additional features, Asus K8N-E
If you want endless problems and crappy stability as well as allow me to laugh at you when you have problems, Asus K8V
 

Bar81

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Except that the roundup, like all Anand's motherboard reviews, is worthless, as they seem to get cherry picked boards like in the case of the MSI Neo Platinum. User reviews are the only way to truly know how stable and unproblematic a motherboard is. Given the case of the DFI, there aren't enough samples in the hands of enough people for a long enough period of time to properly judge the motherboard outside of knowing that it has the best tweaking options by far of any A64 motherboard.

Edit: Do they even say what BIOS is being used for each board? If not, then that makes the roundup even more problematic. For example, using my Raptor on the native SATA ports I can hit way over 230HTT when overclocking. Right off the bat, that tells me something is wrong with the roundup.
 

Imyourzero

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Originally posted by: Bar81
I've had all three of the motherboards you're talking about. Between the ASRock K8S8X and the Asus K8V it's not a contest, K8X8X in a landslide in both stability and performance. I urge you to stay away from the K8V, it's garbage. Now, putting the K8N-E Deluxe into the equation makes it very interesting. I am the foremost and first proponent of the K8S8X on these boards but I have to say I'm quite impressed with the Asus K8N-E Deluxe. It's as stable as the K8S8X and if you're not using IDE devices then it's the equal of the K8S8X and surpasses it when it comes to features. If you're still using IDE devices I would stick with the K8S8X; nVidia *still* doesn't know for the life of the company how to write a stable and non-problematic IDE driver and even just using the default MS ones doesn't seem to solve all the issues.

If you want stability and use IDE devices, ASRock K8S8X
If you want stability, don't use IDE devices, and want additional features, Asus K8N-E
If you want endless problems and crappy stability as well as allow me to laugh at you when you have problems, Asus K8V

Bar81, thank you for your thoughts and I will take everything that you said into consideration. However, what are these nVidia IDE problems you mention? In all the reviews I've read, I haven't seen any complaints about the implementation of IDE devices on the nForce3 boards. I do plan on using IDE devices (I have a 250 GB Maxtor and a 200 GB Seagate) but I plan to make my primary drive a 74GB Raptor. So the nForce3 boards are to be avoided unless I plan on using only SATA drives? :confused:
 

Bar81

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Well, you have to make the call. Personally, I wouldn't touch the IDE on nVidia boards but others feel differently. I would suggest you read through the threads at nforce HQ and similar nvidia fansites and/or mobo tech boards; there are many threads regarding issues with IDE, particularly with optical drives although you also have the option of not installing the nvidia IDE drivers which solves most but not all the issues out there. It's just something that's problematic and while you may experience no issues there's a chance there will be. Like I said, personally, I wouldn't touch nVidia IDE with a ten foot pole, but in the end it's just about making an informed decision and coming to a conclusion for yourself.