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Interesting question. The Nvidia press release's statement ("NVIDIA intends to supply ULi customers with current products for the foreseeable future") doesn't spell it out for me.
 
I am worried as well...I was just about to buy this mobo

probably will get it anyway..as it will go in my wife's computer with A643200@2750 that in my sig on DFI mobo..I just bought an Opteron and I am hoping for a good stepping

All I really need for her is stable platform..the Venice Prime 95 stable...so I all I need to do it lower fsb to 270 and hope she runs ok

also I am using some kingston ram actually pc2700 but has run for couple years fine on my IT 7 max 2 rev @200..3-3-3-8...

anyone know if there are issue with KIngston valuram ...I have no trouble running the ram @ 166 - 200...she will never know the difference..but if it crashes...oh god help me
 
Originally posted by: nealh

anyone know if there are issue with KIngston valuram ...I have no trouble running the ram @ 166 - 200...she will never know the difference..but if it crashes...oh god help me
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Just make sure you run it at 2T on this board if you are using Dual Channel, and it should be fine.
 
Uli is not dead, but rather their patents and special concept creations (AGP/PCIe) will go to Nvidia to do with as they choose. This sounds like a GREAT setup, as a combination of an Nforce4 and Uli would just overwhelm any competition, but let us not forget that Nvidia also bought 3dfx back when they were the ONLY gamer card worth a damn (or least when they were innovating with the Voodoo2 and not rehashing the same dated technology with the Voodoo3) and did nothing with the patents and technology, other than eliminate the competition.

I love hardware choices and variety,but now this makes the choice simply a matter of picking Nvidia this or that.
 
Originally posted by: WT
Uli is not dead, but rather their patents and special concept creations (AGP/PCIe) will go to Nvidia to do with as they choose. This sounds like a GREAT setup, as a combination of an Nforce4 and Uli would just overwhelm any competition, but let us not forget that Nvidia also bought 3dfx back when they were the ONLY gamer card worth a damn (or least when they were innovating with the Voodoo2 and not rehashing the same dated technology with the Voodoo3) and did nothing with the patents and technology, other than eliminate the competition.

I love hardware choices and variety,but now this makes the choice simply a matter of picking Nvidia this or that.
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ULi as a company, competion in the market place, low teir chipset maker, ect., IS DEAD because of this, and this news Is Not Good for the consumer. I don't want nVidia to make my buying choices for me, thanx.

 
I am also having the same stability problems as the rest of you running 1T on this board. It works most of the time and crashes consistently under very specific conditions such as at a certain time in memtest and when pasting into paint. Interestingly enough, with 1T, I am able to complete just about every benchmark and stress test application (other than memtest) and can play BF2 for hours with no problems as long as I don't paste an image into paint or run memtest86.

The 20% increase in memory bandwidth is nice but as several have pointed out, it is of little practical use in real world applications. One can argue that loading a BF2 screen a half second faster can be critical to be the first one to grab that one special vehicle but other than that, you will likely never notice you are running at 2T isntead of 1T. As enthusiasts that bothers us a little but for only $65 I think I'll just live with it until my next board.

From what I've read there isn't really much you can do to improve reliability at 1T with this board but there is a lot you can do to improve memory bandwidth and general performance elsewhere. If you can't get 1T to run try increasing the speed of the memory at looser timings to improve bandwidth. Or try tightening up the timings as much as possilbe. In many cases the tradeoff for running at 2T is not that great if you can tighten the timings or increase the RAM speed.
 
Originally posted by: Killrose
Originally posted by: WT
Uli is not dead, but rather their patents and special concept creations (AGP/PCIe) will go to Nvidia to do with as they choose. This sounds like a GREAT setup, as a combination of an Nforce4 and Uli would just overwhelm any competition, but let us not forget that Nvidia also bought 3dfx back when they were the ONLY gamer card worth a damn (or least when they were innovating with the Voodoo2 and not rehashing the same dated technology with the Voodoo3) and did nothing with the patents and technology, other than eliminate the competition.

I love hardware choices and variety,but now this makes the choice simply a matter of picking Nvidia this or that.
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ULi as a company, competion in the market place, low teir chipset maker, ect., IS DEAD because of this, and this news Is Not Good for the consumer. I don't want nVidia to make my buying choices for me, thanx.
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agreed, the Nvidia machine will squash the technology and move foward on what they want to promote as the "latest and greatest". ULi makes a unique product that fills a nice nitch, let's face it, Nvidia is a video card company,and if they can push more PCIe units, they will in turn, make more profits. why give us AGP owners a cheaper choice in motherboards when we can be forced to upgrade to newer technology. I am not saying PCIe isn't a good platform, but those of us on a budget for an upgrade, will hold on to a high level AGP card for as long as possible. (heck, i just got rid of my 9700 pro and replaced it with an 800xl pe, Asrock board and AMD64 3200+ venice, my bidget is tapped now).
 
I have an Opteron 144 and the Asrock 939dual. I had been running at 2.73 prime stable and figured that was the max I could do. Then today I took out one of the 3 sticks of mem (all value but not the same company) and I am able to get to 2.8 prime stable. Why would taking out one stick of mem make it more stable? I always ran the mem at 200mhz or below and at 2T with conservative settings.
 
I seem to be limited at around 250MHz HTT regardless of RAM and CPU speed with this board. Setting the HTT multiplier to 4X, the RAM to 166, and the CPU to 9X (3700) to take them out of the equation and i'm still stuck with stability issues running the board at 250MHz. I know others have gone far beyond this so I'm thinking my board is just not too strong.

Most Venice and San Diego cores are limited to around 2.8GHz at 1.45Volts anyway so by setting my CPU at 11x (default) and the HTT at 240MHz I get a CPU speed of 2.64GHz and long term stability which is not bad and my RAM runs just fine at 1:1 but I would have been screwed if I had a slower Venice chip and tried to reach those speeds.

Still running BIOS 1.20 but from what I've read I don't think I can expect much better stability with anything else. I'll experiment further I'm sure.
 
Originally posted by: Woody
I seem to be limited at around 250MHz HTT regardless of RAM and CPU speed with this board. Setting the HTT multiplier to 4X, the RAM to 166, and the CPU to 9X (3700) to take them out of the equation and i'm still stuck with stability issues running the board at 250MHz. I know others have gone far beyond this so I'm thinking my board is just not too strong.

Most Venice and San Diego cores are limited to around 2.8GHz at 2.4Volts anyway so by setting my CPU at 11x (default) and the HTT at 240MHz I get a CPU speed of 2.64GHz and long term stability which is not bad and my RAM runs just fine at 1:1 but I would have been screwed if I had a slower Venice chip and tried to reach those speeds.

Still running BIOS 1.20 but from what I've read I don't think I can expect much better stability with anything else. I'll experiment further I'm sure.
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Bios 1.20 has some issues. Try the new bios 1.50, or OCWB1.
You also meant 1.4 volts not 2.4 vcore, right?
the 4 plug ATX next to 20 pins, plug, is 2 yellow, and 2 black wires. is this how yours is?
dont mean to say you missed it and used the one slipped out og 24 pins ATX, but some have done this and borad works w/ some area of board fried, thus instable and weak boad.
Just checking to make sure this wasnt the case. But try Asrock new bios 1.50.
Also download the integrated drivers from ULI website and install it instead of the one on asrock CD. Many problems resolved for those downloaded drivers from ULi site.

 
New to these forums, so hello everybody! The members here seem pretty experienced, so I hope I can pick your brains. I am not an overclocker btw. I just want to run a stable system. Here is my problem:

Windows is only seeing 2.00 GB out of 4 GB RAM installed. I know that many people only see 3.xx out of 4GB, but I can't even get that far. No amount of fiddling with the BIOS has helped matters. I'm thinking it's a Windows problem since the BIOS and all 3rd party monitoring apps can see the 4 GB.

My system specs:

Windows XP Pro SP2
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+
ASRock 939Dual-SATA2 motherboard with 1.50 BIOS
OCZ 4GB Dual Channel DDR400 RAM (2 x (2 x 1GB kits))
BFG 6800 Ultra OC AGP video card
AOpen FM56-PM Modem
Hitachi Deskstar T7K250 250GB SATAII hard drive
Lite-on SOHD-16P9S DVD-ROM drive
Sony floppy drive
Seasonic S-12 500W power supply

I tried multiple memory configs, with no success. The following items are suspects:

- Lavalys Everest reports that the only one of the DIMMs is to spec at 2-3-2-5, with the rest actually at 2.5-3-2-5. Setting the BIOS to either setting makes no difference, but needs more investigation.
- Power - The Seasonic is a high-end power supply, but is it really supplying 500W? My system may be drawing around 385W, with perhaps not enough stable power going to the RAM.
- Power extension - I had to add a 10" ATX power extension from the power supply to the motherboard. Could that cause a problem?
- Video card - could be defective, or drawing too much power. I will try to swap it with something else.

I found only one mention of this problem on another forum (here), where I have posted as well.

Any ideas?
 
Originally posted by: qsrk
New to these forums, so hello everybody! The members here seem pretty experienced, so I hope I can pick your brains. I am not an overclocker btw. I just want to run a stable system. Here is my problem:

Windows is only seeing 2.00 GB out of 4 GB RAM installed. I know that many people only see 3.xx out of 4GB, but I can't even get that far. No amount of fiddling with the BIOS has helped matters. I'm thinking it's a Windows problem since the BIOS and all 3rd party monitoring apps can see the 4 GB.
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Just out of curiosity, what are you doing that requires you to have 4GB RAM???

Sorry I don't have any suggestions for you. Just had to ask.
 
Originally posted by: designit
Bios 1.20 has some issues. Try the new bios 1.50, or OCWB1.
You also meant 1.4 volts not 2.4 vcore, right?
the 4 plug ATX next to 20 pins, plug, is 2 yellow, and 2 black wires. is this how yours is?
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Thanks for the tips. PSU hookup is good, got a 20 pin Antec 480W with the 4 pin hookup plugged in from the start. Yes the volts was a typo...corrected, thxs. I will try some other BIOS and the drivers.

Appreciate the response.

Ran some further tests with my RAM at 2.5,3,3,10 and 2T to see if I can notice any difference from 3,3,3,0 at 1T and apart from a measured drop in memory bandwidth I am unable to measure any drop in performance in any other benchmarks or apps. Hope that helps some questions about command rate settings.
 
Originally posted by: Somniferum

Just out of curiosity, what are you doing that requires you to have 4GB RAM???

Sorry I don't have any suggestions for you. Just had to ask.
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That's only becuase the motherboard can't take anymore 😀 Actually, it's for 3D CAD, rendering, and graphics work. I have already come close to 2GB usage, and I plan on taxing the system with more complex models. I figure I'll turn on the /3GB switch for the CAD application to use, and leave the rest of the RAM for all the other apps.
 
Originally posted by: Woody
Originally posted by: designit
Bios 1.20 has some issues. Try the new bios 1.50, or OCWB1.
You also meant 1.4 volts not 2.4 vcore, right?
the 4 plug ATX next to 20 pins, plug, is 2 yellow, and 2 black wires. is this how yours is?
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Thanks for the tips. PSU hookup is good, got a 20 pin Antec 480W with the 4 pin hookup plugged in from the start. Yes the volts was a typo...corrected, thxs. I will try some other BIOS and the drivers.

Appreciate the response.

Ran some further tests with my RAM at 2.5,3,3,10 and 2T to see if I can notice any difference from 3,3,3,0 at 1T and apart from a measured drop in memory bandwidth I am unable to measure any drop in performance in any other benchmarks or apps. Hope that helps some questions about command rate settings.
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If you have some good ocing rams that require extera voltage, you might want to do the vdimm mod(the one below the memory slots to give you 3.13volts), and also, 1.4 vcore not enough for over 240-250 mhz cpu. so you might also want to consider vcore mod by ocw forum.

 
Originally posted by: qsrk
New to these forums, so hello everybody! The members here seem pretty experienced, so I hope I can pick your brains. I am not an overclocker btw. I just want to run a stable system. Here is my problem:

Windows is only seeing 2.00 GB out of 4 GB RAM installed. I know that many people only see 3.xx out of 4GB, but I can't even get that far. No amount of fiddling with the BIOS has helped matters. I'm thinking it's a Windows problem since the BIOS and all 3rd party monitoring apps can see the 4 GB.

My system specs:

Windows XP Pro SP2
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+
ASRock 939Dual-SATA2 motherboard with 1.50 BIOS
OCZ 4GB Dual Channel DDR400 RAM (2 x (2 x 1GB kits))
BFG 6800 Ultra OC AGP video card
AOpen FM56-PM Modem
Hitachi Deskstar T7K250 250GB SATAII hard drive
Lite-on SOHD-16P9S DVD-ROM drive
Sony floppy drive
Seasonic S-12 500W power supply

I tried multiple memory configs, with no success. The following items are suspects:

- Lavalys Everest reports that the only one of the DIMMs is to spec at 2-3-2-5, with the rest actually at 2.5-3-2-5. Setting the BIOS to either setting makes no difference, but needs more investigation.
- Power - The Seasonic is a high-end power supply, but is it really supplying 500W? My system may be drawing around 385W, with perhaps not enough stable power going to the RAM.
- Power extension - I had to add a 10" ATX power extension from the power supply to the motherboard. Could that cause a problem?
- Video card - could be defective, or drawing too much power. I will try to swap it with something else.

I found only one mention of this problem on another forum (here), where I have posted as well.

Any ideas?
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try all rams to the looser settings (the one you said shows looser), and 2T command rate.
4gig will require 2T . the command rate is the one called "MA" timing, right below TRP(memory clock setting to manual).
post your settings and we will see what need to be adjusted.

 
Originally posted by: designit
try all rams to the looser settings (the one you said shows looser), and 2T command rate.
4gig will require 2T . the command rate is the one called "MA" timing, right below TRP(memory clock setting to manual).
post your settings and we will see what need to be adjusted.
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I did try out the looser timings at 2T. I think that I read somewhere that DDR400 Dual Channel will only run at 2T with Athlon X2 CPUs. I also tried 1T just in case, and no help. One thing I noticed was that the system did not like to boot / reboot on the first try with manual memory settings. Once I put them back to Auto, the system was rebooting on the first try. Do you want me to post some other settings?

I also learned that 3 sticks of RAM will report in Windows as 2.50 GB, but 4 sticks still report as 2.00 GB! See the other thread that I mentioned - at least one other person had the same results using an X2 4400+ on an ASRock motherboard with a 256MB GeForce video card.

EDIT: The OP in the other thread also had an X2 and and ASRock motherboard, but with a low-end ATI video card. The common link looks like X2 and ASRock.

 
Another thing I noticed after playing BF2 for about an hour last night with my OCed system (240MHz) was network errors that caused severe lag and random disconnects. Quiting the game, letting the system idle for five minutes, and going back into the same server seemed to fix it and then the problem would occur again after playing for about 40-50 minutes.

This could be something else but I'm curious if anyone else has encountered network problems with the onboard LAN when overclocking this board.
 
i posted some questions here few seconds ago.. but i found the answer and so i edit and delete the questions.. but i dont know how to delete this message now !
 
Originally posted by: qsrk
Originally posted by: designit
try all rams to the looser settings (the one you said shows looser), and 2T command rate.
4gig will require 2T . the command rate is the one called "MA" timing, right below TRP(memory clock setting to manual).
post your settings and we will see what need to be adjusted.
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I did try out the looser timings at 2T. I think that I read somewhere that DDR400 Dual Channel will only run at 2T with Athlon X2 CPUs. I also tried 1T just in case, and no help. One thing I noticed was that the system did not like to boot / reboot on the first try with manual memory settings. Once I put them back to Auto, the system was rebooting on the first try. Do you want me to post some other settings?

I also learned that 3 sticks of RAM will report in Windows as 2.50 GB, but 4 sticks still report as 2.00 GB! See the other thread that I mentioned - at least one other person had the same results using an X2 4400+ on an ASRock motherboard with a 256MB GeForce video card.

EDIT: The OP in the other thread also had an X2 and and ASRock motherboard, but with a low-end ATI video card. The common link looks like X2 and ASRock.
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If I recall, i read somewhere that winxp does not support 4gig. You might want to try winxp 64 edition and see if it shows them correctly.
If you set your memory timing on auto, the bios will reduce them to 333mhz and will use the lossest timing possible to make the board post.
This is why you should set memory timing manualy. But have to find out what they spec to.
google the memory serial #, and you will most probably find a pdf file for them or some forum or review site on them.
I posted a link to some bios settings that will get you going untill you resolve the issues you'r having.
It does not matter if you use X2, opteron, of FX55, or any athlon cpu, 4 dimms occupied will force 2T. That is unfortunate, but 2T is not as bad as you might believe. It is only about 2-4% performance reduction. but more memory in 2T, is better than less memory in 1T.

 
Originally posted by: Woody
Another thing I noticed after playing BF2 for about an hour last night with my OCed system (240MHz) was network errors that caused severe lag and random disconnects. Quiting the game, letting the system idle for five minutes, and going back into the same server seemed to fix it and then the problem would occur again after playing for about 40-50 minutes.

This could be something else but I'm curious if anyone else has encountered network problems with the onboard LAN when overclocking this board.
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Your winxp is corrupted.
that is why it pays to run memtest86 before going to windows, whenever overclocking, and changing cpu/ram speed and timing.
reinstall winxp, and you will be fine. but make sure your memory is passing memtest86 (specially test #8)
 
hi guys.. I was wondering if you guys could evaluate my BIOS settings.. to see if it's appropriate for my system.. and perhaps you can suggest to me additional *tweaks* that you think will better match my current hardware installed...

My new system :
* ASRock MB 939 Dual-SATA2 (bios 1.5)
* AMD Opteron 148 + Thermalake CLP005 K450
* ATI 9800 Sapphire 128MB Agp8x. OC:349:310
* Single channel RAM setup at the moment
- bank1 = 1024MB (PQI - PQ4D648E5)
- bank2 = 256MB (Samsung - K4H560838D-TCC4 CL3)
- bank3 = 256MB (LD - LDBTDH2800576)
- bank4 = 0

My BIOS setting [CPU CONFIGURATION TAB] (v 1.5)

Overclock mode:[CPU, PCIE, Asyn]
[250]
[100]
[Enable]
[Auto]
[Enable]

Processor Multiplier [x10 2000 mhz]
Processor Voltage [1.450]

Memory Clock [Auto]
Flexiblity option [Enable]
[4 beats]
[auto]
[auto]
[auto]
[auto]

My BIOS setting [CHIPSET CONFIGURATION TAB]
( all AUTO)


I was able to run CSTRIKE for 4 hours with no problem 🙂

on CPU-Z, it reports ..
Core speed ---2549.8 mhz
Multiplier ------x 10
HTT ------------255.0 mhz
Memory Freq ---170.0mhz
Fsb😀ram ------ cpu/15
Cas#lat --------- 2.5 c
ras-cas dly ------ 4c
ras prec --------- 4c
tras ------------- 8c
trc --------------- 12c
dram idle tmr -- 16c


any suggestions will be highly appreciated 🙂
 
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