ASRock 939Dual-SATA2 - Socket 939 HELP

[Atheus]

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[Hacka]

im starting to get really mad... i borrowed a gig stick of patriot ram 5-2-2-2 from a freind.. and i CANNOT get any higher FSB over 235 to work.. it is my fkin CPU or mobo? WTF guys

heres my cpu for my new RAM and i only got 43 seconds on superPI
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CPU(s)
Number of CPUs 1
Name AMD Athlon 64 3500+
Code Name Venice
Specification AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+
Family / Model / Stepping F F 2
Extended Family / Model F 2F
Brand ID 4
Package Socket 939
Core Stepping DH-E6
Technology 90 nm
Supported Instructions Sets MMX, Extended MMX, 3DNow!, Extended 3DNow!, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, x86-64
CPU Clock Speed 2349.8 MHz
Clock multiplier x 10.0
HTT Bus Frequency 235.0 MHz
L1 Data Cache 64 KBytes, 2-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size
L1 Instruction Cache 64 KBytes, 2-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size
L2 Cache 512 KBytes, 16-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size
L2 Speed 2349.8 MHz (Full)
L2 Location On Chip
L2 Data Prefetch Logic yes
L2 Bus Width 128 bits

Mainboard and chipset
Motherboard manufacturer
Motherboard model 939Dual-SATA2, 1.00
BIOS vendor American Megatrends Inc.
BIOS revision P1.60
BIOS release date 01/27/2006
Chipset ALI M1695 rev. 00
Southbridge ALI M1563 rev. 70
Sensor chip Winbond 0
Graphic Interface AGP
AGP Status enabled, rev. 3.0
AGP Data Transfer Rate 8x
AGP Max Rate 8x
AGP Side Band Addressing supported, enabled

Memory
DRAM Type DDR-SDRAM
DRAM Size 1024 MBytes
DRAM Frequency 156.7 MHz
FSBRAM CPU/15
CAS# Latency 2.0 clocks
RAS# to CAS# 2 clocks
RAS# Precharge 2 clocks
Cycle Time (TRAS) 5 clocks
Bank Cycle Time (TRC) 11 clocks
DRAM Idle Timer 16 clocks
# of memory modules 1
Module 0 PDP Systems DDR-SDRAM PC3200 - 1024 MBytes

 

[Hacka]

so if its not my ram... do i need more volts? im maxed at 1.45 now... wtf

 

[professor1942]

So you've tried:

underclocked CPU
underclocked RAM
underclocked HTT

and the board still won't go past 235? Strange. How good is your PSU?

 

[kb3edk]

Hi Hacka, I've got this board too, actually I have two of them! One works fantastic (A64 Winchester 3000+ stable at 250 HTT on air, A64 X2 Manchester 3800+ stable at 240 HHT on air) and the other is flaky as hell and I can barely do any overclocks at all.

I do know that when I reloaded the BIOS setup defaults it automatically put in a 5:6 memory divider (DDR 333), so the RAM runs 166 MHz at stock, 200 MHz at 240 HTT, and about 208 MHz at 250 HTT. The board does max out at 1.45 volts for Venice procs, the ony way around it is to break out a soldering iron and do some volt mods on the board which are kind of risky (I've tried one on both of my boards and can't get it to work on either).

You can also adjust the RAM voltage, but that's just Low (2.5v) and High (2.7v)

 

[Hacka]

so i hit 235 HTT at ddr400?


what do you recommend? you think my mobo is just garbage?

 

[kb3edk]

Well I definitely wouldn't say the mobo is garbage if you can run stable at 235 HTT... all you have to do is look a thread or two over from this one and read about the utter nightmares some people have had with this board. You're well past that point, and onto the "tweaking" stage of system setup.

As far as you getting 43 seconds on SuperPi, your RAM speed is kind of on the low side. Your post a little ways up says "DRAM Frequency 156.7 MHz "... since you are using a stick of PC3200 you should be able to nudge up your speed to get it up closer to 200 MHz (and probably a tiny bit faster). Your "FSBRAM CPU/15 " figure tells me you are running a 2/3 divider (Cpu multiplier = 10, so 10/15 which is the same as 2/3), or DDR 266. Bump it up to DDR 333 and see if that helps SuperPi. The other thing is, you are only using one stick of RAM, if you use two (identical) sticks you will gain use of the dual channel memory controller which will also help your system performance.

Hope this helps,

 

[Hacka]

yes but when i have it at ddr400 it still has that crazy divider... i dunno why. And with this ram.. 5-2-2-2 timings i got a crappy superpi score.. same score with my 8-3-3-3 ram.. i dont know what to do.. is my cpu bad?

i will mess with mem settings and run it again. and read that other thread,

 

[professor1942]

Yeah two sticks dual channel should shave off another 2-3 seconds in SuperPI, then running it at DDR400 you should be under 40 seconds with that setup... 43 certainly isn't terrible though, my 3000+ Newcastle gets 49 if I remember correctly (this 3700+ @ 2.61 does it in 34 seconds, mem at 186 Mhz.)

 

[BrokenArrow]

Hacka,

I just read the OP. I had problems getting my network to work with this board too. When I would try to install the drivers from the disk it would say something like ULi LAN not found, but it would still detect a network adapter in windows, it just wouldn't let the integrated drivers install. What I ended up doing to fix this was to extract all the drivers from the driver package (the executable), and then go in and manually install. Kind of a pain in the butt work around, but my built in network (make sure it is enabled in the bios also) is working fine now.

 

[Hacka]

yeah i already bought a new nic card lol.. i was getting annoyed. i tried to get it to work the other night and still couldnt.. its weird.


anyways... ehres my recent sandra results... i think somethings wrong
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SiSoftware Sandra

Display on Screen
Connection : Local Computer
Device Type : Desktop

General
Analysing...
Finished Successfully : Yes

Comments
Analysing...
Finished Successfully : Yes

System Summary
Analysing...
Warning 100 : Large memory sizes should be made of Registered/Buffered memory.
Tip 2546 : Large memory modules should be ECC/Parity.
Finished Successfully : Yes

Mainboard Information
Analysing...
Warning 2533 : Disabled host controllers are present. Check BIOS settings.
Tip 2530 : MPS 1.4 or later is recommended for MP systems. Check BIOS version.
Warning 100 : Large memory sizes should be made of Registered/Buffered memory.
Tip 2546 : Large memory modules should be ECC/Parity.
Finished Successfully : Yes

CPU & BIOS Information
Analysing...
Warning 2533 : CPU 1 [Processor 0, Core 0, Thread 0] : Disabled host controllers are present. Check BIOS settings.
Notice 224 : CPU 1 [Processor 0, Core 0, Thread 0] : SMBIOS/DMI information may be inaccurate.
Warning 236 : CPU 1 [Processor 0, Core 0, Thread 0] : Vcore higher than rated maximum. Check Vcore setting!
Notice 224 : System BIOS : SMBIOS/DMI information may be inaccurate.
Tip 212 : System BIOS : BIOS can be shadowed so check whether it is.
Tip 211 : System BIOS : BIOS is flash-able and socketed so it can be upgraded when needed.
Finished Successfully : Yes

APM & ACPI Information
Analysing...
Notice 224 : SMBIOS/DMI information may be inaccurate.
Finished Successfully : Yes

PCI(e), AGP, CardBus Bus(es) Information
Analysing...
Tip 1202 : PCI Bus 0 (1/1x PCIClk) : ASRock Inc ??? (5263) : Device does not support bus mastering.
Tip 1202 : PCI Bus 0 (1/1x PCIClk) : Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) Athlon 64 / Opteron HyperTransport Technology Configuration : Device does not support bus mastering.
Tip 1202 : PCI Bus 0 (1/1x PCIClk) : Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) Athlon 64 / Opteron Address Map : Device does not support bus mastering.
Tip 1202 : PCI Bus 0 (1/1x PCIClk) : Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) Athlon 64 / Opteron DRAM Controller : Device does not support bus mastering.
Tip 1202 : PCI Bus 0 (1/1x PCIClk) : Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) Athlon 64 / Opteron Miscellaneous Control : Device does not support bus mastering.
Finished Successfully : Yes

Video System Information
Analysing...
Tip 2221 : Video Adapter : Primary Display Driver (display) : Driver is not certified.
Tip 322 : Video Adapter : Primary Display Driver (display) : Turn off screen savers. Use the monitor power saving mode.
Tip 2221 : Video Adapter : RADEON X800 Series (Omega 3.8.205) (\\.\DISPLAY1) @ \\.\DISPLAY1 : Driver is not certified.
Tip 322 : Video Adapter : RADEON X800 Series (Omega 3.8.205) (\\.\DISPLAY1) @ \\.\DISPLAY1 : Turn off screen savers. Use the monitor power saving mode.
Finished Successfully : Yes

Windows Memory Information
Analysing...
Finished Successfully : Yes

Drives Information
Analysing...
Warning 1800 : Hard Disk (C : Increase free disk space. Some programs may run out of disk space.
Tip 1821 : Hard Disk (C : Label (name) drive.
Warning : CD-ROM/DVD (D : Cannot obtain drive information; check that a disk is in the drive and it is correctly formatted.
Warning : CD-ROM/DVD (H : Cannot obtain drive information; check that a disk is in the drive and it is correctly formatted.
Finished Successfully : Yes

Ports Information
Analysing...
Finished Successfully : Yes

Keyboard Information
Analysing...
Finished Successfully : Yes

Mouse Information
Analysing...
Finished Successfully : Yes

Sound Card Information
Analysing...
Finished Successfully : Yes

Printer and Fax Information
Analysing...
Error : No printers detected. : Could not initialise the print object!
Finished Successfully : Yes

MCI Devices Information
Analysing...
Finished Successfully : Yes

Windows Information
Analysing...
Warning 1320 : Latest service pack has not been applied! Consider updating.
Tip 1300 : Enter your company name or "Home" instead of "Unknown".
Finished Successfully : Yes

WinSock & Security Information
Analysing...
Error : Firewall Programs : No packages found
Error : Anti-Virus Programs : No packages found
Finished Successfully : Yes

Processes Information
Analysing...
Finished Successfully : Yes

Modules Information
Analysing...
Finished Successfully : Yes

OLE Information
Analysing...
Finished Successfully : Yes

DirectX Information
Analysing...
Tip 2221 : DirectDraw Devices : Primary Display Driver (display) : Driver is not certified.
Tip 2221 : DirectDraw Devices : RADEON X800 Series (Omega 3.8.205) (\\.\DISPLAY1) @ \\.\DISPLAY1 : Driver is not certified.
Finished Successfully : Yes

Network Information
Analysing...
Finished Successfully : Yes

SCSI Information
Analysing...
Finished Successfully : Yes

Font Information
Analysing...
Finished Successfully : Yes

CMOS Information
Analysing...
Finished Successfully : Yes

OpenGL Video Information
Analysing...
Finished Successfully : Yes

Services Information
Analysing...
Tip 2130 : Help and Support : Service may be disabled on Home/Professional OS version.
Tip 2130 : SSDP Discovery Service : Service may be disabled on Home/Professional OS version.
Tip 2130 : Universal Plug and Play Device Host : Service may be disabled on Home/Professional OS version.
Finished Successfully : Yes

ATA/ATAPI Information
Analysing...
Warning 3100 : ATA Controller 0 : ATA device (fixed) : S.M.A.R.T not enabled; consider enabling for safety.
Warning 3100 : ATA Controller 1 : ATA device (fixed) : S.M.A.R.T not enabled; consider enabling for safety.
Warning 3104 : ATA Controller 1 : ATA device (fixed) : Current mode not optimal. Check settings.
Finished Successfully : Yes

Data Sources Information
Analysing...
Finished Successfully : Yes

Hardware IRQ Settings
Analysing...
Finished Successfully : Yes

DMA Settings
Analysing...
Finished Successfully : Yes

I/O Settings
Analysing...
Finished Successfully : Yes

Memory Resources
Analysing...
Finished Successfully : Yes

Plug & Play Enumerator
Analysing...
Finished Successfully : Yes

Performance Tune-up Wizard
Finished Successfully : Yes

 

[kb3edk]

Hi Hacka... that " Large memory sizes should be made of Registered/Buffered memory" message you are getting from Sandra is utter crap, only server motherboards need Registered RAM. In fact the only warning message in that whole thing that caught my attention is the free disk space warning.

BrokenArrow, good point about those LAN drivers... I actually found the ones on the CDROM disc that comes with the motherboard to be crappy/out of date... I recently downloaded new ones from the ULi site at http://www.uli.com.tw/eng/support/drivers.php and they work much more nicely. If you decide to try them out make sure you specify the correct ULi chip (M1695) that the ASRock board uses.

 

[Hacka]

yeah i forgot i downloaded a bunch of stuff and forgot to move them into my 300 gig hd... i only have 37.5 gig raptor for C:\


so i dont know where to go from here and its depressing lol

 

[Hacka]

 

[OvErHeAtInG]

Let me just repeat things a lot of people have said.

1) Set the first option to "PCIe asynch" and leave PCIe bus at 100
2) Drop your CPU multiplier to 9 or less (and make sure it sticks, if I drop my multi below 8 it just boots up at 9).
3) Your memory should be set at 133
4) set the "HT-NB" thingie to 600, both places. It says it twice.

Once all of these things are taken care of, you should have eliminated every problem: Your memory shouldn't be too fast, your PCIe bus shouldn't be too fast, your CPU shouldn't be too fast, your HT bus shouldn't be too fast. You want to make sure none of those things could possibly be screwing you up, then try to hit 236.

Luck.

 

[OvErHeAtInG]

I hope you haven't given up..... yet.... on the other hand, if you have really tried all of the above and it still doesn't work, it's trade-in time.... :brokenheart:

 

[russki]

The 939Dual SATA II is not a board for overclockers.. try another board, I own it and I got my venice 2 ghz to 2.4 ghz@ 240 fsb.
If I was you I'd be happy with your overclock, also set ram timing or MA timing to 2T, or Auto

 

[Hacka]

ok i already moved those timings down to 600... i set the ram at 133... i set the pci-e at 100 and the FSB is stable at 237... i cant get 1 increment higher... so im at 10x237.. ma timing 2t... voltage is at 1.45

i dunno what else i can do

i cant get below 43-45 superpi score and ive gotten 41 with my 2400+ mobile. :'(

 

[Ike0069]

Have you tried this?

Set CPU Multiplier to 8X
Set RAM to 100
Set CPU-NB Link Speed to 600Mhz

Then try and boot at 240 HTT

 

[Ike0069]

Originally posted by: russki
The 939Dual SATA II is not a board for overclockers.. try another board, I own it and I got my venice 2 ghz to 2.4 ghz@ 240 fsb.
If I was you I'd be happy with your overclock, also set ram timing or MA timing to 2T, or Auto

Question for you russki.

Why are you promoting paypalsucks.com? That is the lamest site I've ever seen and is obviously run by a PayPal competitor that is just trying to get some cheap advertising. Not to mention it's completely full of idiots that just don't want to pay their bills.

 

[Hacka]

ram doesnt go to 100....

i set the cpu-nb to 400 to be safe

whats 240htt? 240 fsb ?

 

[Ike0069]

HTT = FSB

 

[Hacka]

bah i dont know wtf is going on.... this computer sucks ass lol... im running 11x220 now.. thats horrible isnt it ?


and i forgot i have a question... can i hookup my sata hd to sata2 controller?

 

[Hacka]

bah i dont know wtf is going on.... this computer sucks ass lol... im running 11x220 now.. thats horrible isnt it ?


and i forgot i have a question... can i hookup my sata hd to sata2 controller?

 

[beserker15]

lol, 2.4ghz+ doesn't really suck ass, it's still quite a good performer (i have mine set at 222 *11). Seeing how people often are able to get higher, I might say that it's because of your 3500 venice? Seeing how I have almost the same symptoms as you. Lowering the multiplier to 10 or even 9 and ram down to 166 or 133 didn't help me push my fsb above 235mhz. Since these athlons have an onboard memory controller, I'm guessing it's because of the cpu. Now if I can get more balls...I'll do the volt mod so I can give 1.55v to the cpu, which will help my raise the oc at an 11x multiplier.