asked for a bigger raise today...

[purbeast0]

our raises always go into effect at the start of the year. around mid-late december we have a meeting with the higher ups where they tell us the raise we are getting as well as our bonus.

i've been with this company for about 2.5 years now and it's a really great company. the benefits are incredible, the pay is very good, and i like the work i'm doing.

so today i asked for a larger raise than previous. the guy i talked to actually really respected it and he even said that they appreciate people coming to ask about it and that i had the balls to ask for a larger raise. when they all sit down and discuss raises, he said that people who actually come and talk to them about it are remembered and they definitely take it into consideration.

of course i explained why i believe i have earned a larger raise than the past years (first raise was pro-rated cause i was there about 6 months, last years was not much larger than the previous year).

i also prefaced it and mentioned about 10 other times, that i'm in no way unhappy at all, and that if they can't do anything more than the usual, that i would be 100% happy and appreciate anything that i can get. he totally understood everything and just appreciated that i actually came to discuss it with him.

it actually was a lot harder to do than i thought it would be beforehand. my voice actually sounded a little bit shaky when i was talking to him for the first 30 seconds or so, but then i calmed down. prior to knocking on his door i felt perfectly fine lol.

hopefully it pans out. and whether it pans out or not, i'm in no way trying to find a new job at the current time because as mentioned, the position is awesome, and the pay/benefits is unbeatable for the most part.

anyone else tried this before?

UPDATE - 12/19/2014

so found out this morning that i will be finding out in the first week or so of next year about the raise. met with the head hancho today to discuss the annual xmas bonus and he told me that they are still working out the raises for people for next year, and that he is taking into consideration the talk i had with them (it was with another higher up, not the one i talked to today) and they are going to help me out if they can.

so not much of an update yet, but i also won't pull a syringer

UPDATE - 1/12/2015

just had my meeting to discuss my raise and i have to say i'm pretty happy with the raise for sure. $11k raise and they told me it's on the higher end percentage wise for raises they gave this year.

so all of the naysayers out there, have some balls if you want more money and go talk to your bosses about it. don't be scared.

 

[Elixer]

Seems this can go one of two ways, one, they think you are going to run for the exit, even if you told them you are 100% happy. (Which means that you aren't really 100% happy, since you want more $$$) so, they decide to give you less work, to make you leave, or find another excuse to let you go.

Or two, they say, hmm, we better pay this guy some more $$$ if we want to keep him, since he might run for the exit.

Either way, good luck.

 

[Blanky]

If they trust you and it's true that you won't leave if the raise falls through, it's no harm to ask.

I've resigned myself to getting my 1-2% raises each year that don't even match cost of living because aside from those I really like where I am and a promotion did put me into a bonus eligible situation, thus making up for some lost ground over the years. As usual, the best way to get a raise is to get a new job.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

So wait, let me understand: You asked for a higher raise... before you knew the raise you are getting?

That just sounds fucking retarded and pompous. I would be sure to put you at the bottom of the list for being such a jackass to feel the need to mention your raise being low before receiving said low raise. How about you wait to RECEIVE A RAISE so you can TALK ABOUT the raise?

 

[purbeast0]

Seems this can go one of two ways, one, they think you are going to run for the exit, even if you told them you are 100% happy. (Which means that you aren't really 100% happy, since you want more $$$) so, they decide to give you less work, to make you leave, or find another excuse to let you go.

Or two, they say, hmm, we better pay this guy some more $$$ if we want to keep him, since he might run for the exit.

Either way, good luck.

no i am 100% happy. but who doesn't like more money? i also have a kid on the way and my wife isn't going to be working for a while, so more money will definitely help out. we can make it without me getting a raise no problem, but it's always nice to have more money to help with things.

the company i work for right now is unlike any other company i've ever worked for. i'm very confident that they understand where i'm coming from with my request, and also understand the market so they know what fair market pay is. they usually go above it as well because they understand how little it takes in the big picture to make their employees happy, and that a happy employee is much better long term for the company.

If they trust you and it's true that you won't leave if the raise falls through, it's no harm to ask.

I've resigned myself to getting my 1-2% raises each year that don't even match cost of living because aside from those I really like where I am and a promotion did put me into a bonus eligible situation, thus making up for some lost ground over the years. As usual, the best way to get a raise is to get a new job.

yeah i truly believe they trust me. i'm thriving at my position as well and have become a key person, so they know that i'm doing a good job. as i said, they also know the market value that is fair. i just hit the 10yr mark this past year in my field so i've technically moved up from a mid-level developer to a senior level developer experience wise.

 

[purbeast0]

So wait, let me understand: You asked for a higher raise... before you knew the raise you are getting?

That just sounds fucking retarded and pompous. I would be sure to put you at the bottom of the list for being such a jackass to feel the need to mention your raise being low before receiving said low raise.

well you said in another thread you are working 50-60 hours on the regular, so you're already doing it wrong in the professional world.

and i never said i had a low raise once, re-read my post. i asked for a larger than usual raise.

and yes, mentioning my thoughts about a raise before they do the annual raises, makes much more sense to have them go through the normal raise process with this on their mind. which is why i did it, and the guy in charge that i talked to about it actually commended me on coming to him for it.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

well you said in another thread you are working 50-60 hours on the regular, so you're already doing it wrong in the professional world.

and i never said i had a low raise once, re-read my post. i asked for a larger than usual raise.

and yes, mentioning my thoughts about a raise before they do the annual raises, makes much more sense to have them go through the normal raise process with this on their mind. which is why i did it, and the guy in charge that i talked to about it actually commended me on coming to him for it.

Wow. You clearly don't know what it's like to work in the business world What do you do and how much do you make?

Think I have it bad working 50-60? Try the interns and initial hires that come in to do audits and tax returns during busy season. Their sad lives revolves around 80+ hours every single week.

Let me put it to you this way: Anyone working 40 hours in the Big 4 is getting canned... Or any top consulting company. Anyone here can confirm that for you.

That said, it's an annual raise, you know it's coming, they know it's coming. You didn't ask for a raise, because a raise is inevitable. It's the amount that is coming. Every year every company has a year end talk/review that discusses the amount of the raise. That is where you make your counter points to the amount you were expecting.

 

[purbeast0]

Wow. You clearly don't know what it's like to work in the business world What do you do and how much do you make?

Think I have it bad working 50-60? Try the interns and initial hires that come in to do audits and tax returns during busy season. Their said lives revolves around 80+ hours every single week.

Let me put it to you this way: Anyone working 40 hours in the Big 4 is getting canned... Or any top consulting company. Anyone here can confirm that for you.

That said, it's an annual raise, you know it's coming, they know it's coming. You didn't ask for a raise, because a raise is inevitable. It's the amount that is coming. Every year every company has a year end talk/review that discusses the amount of the raise. That is where you make your counter points to the amount you were expecting.

i'm not involved in that conversation, the higher ups are, which is why i brought it up so when they discuss it, they will know about my conversation with one of them today. we don't have the typical annual reviews like every other company i've been to does (and it's awesome not to have it).

and yeah, anyone working 80+ hours a week is a fucking idiot. anyone working more than 40 hours a week is also a fucking idiot in my eyes, unless it's for your own business, or are getting paid hourly/OT. have fun working your life away for someone elses dime.

i work to live, not the other way around. and i'm very well compensated for it and at a great company right now.

i'm a software developer, and my salary is very well off as it currently is, and my benefits are incredible - free health insurance for me and my family, they put 8% into my 401k whether i put anything into it or not (and i do put 8% as well), 27 days of PTO, and can work whatever hours i want as long as i do my 40 hours(which is pretty common in the software development industry so it's nothing special, but nice).

but i guess i could just sit around and bitch and moan like 99% of the people on this forum complaining about how they have been at a job unhappy for 5+ years making shit pay and getting a 1% raise every year, and not do anything about it.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

You sure seem unhappy for a good looking guy that makes good money and has a family. Step back and smell the roses sometime brah.

 

[MustISO]

I asked for additional compensation when I was promoted at my previous company. I knew where I wanted to be and when they made the offer I told them I was expecting more. They came back and met my request.

 

[BoomerD]

I always believed that anyone who didn't think he was worth more money than he was being paid wasn't worth having in the first place.

 

[Printer Bandit]

If you're putting in more than 40 hours a week, you're clearly

A) a grunt
B) not smart
C) all of the above

 

[purbeast0]

I always believed that anyone who didn't think he was worth more money than he was being paid wasn't worth having in the first place.

yep.

the majority of people think the company they work for is doing them a favor for hiring them.

i am of the mentality that i am doing the company a favor for working for them. it may seem like something stupid or little, but i changed my mentality to be that about 4 years ago and it's done a lot for me career wise and skillset wise.

 

[KlokWyze]

Wow. You clearly don't know what it's like to work in the business world What do you do and how much do you make?

Think I have it bad working 50-60? Try the interns and initial hires that come in to do audits and tax returns during busy season. Their said lives revolves around 80+ hours every single week.

Let me put it to you this way: Anyone working 40 hours in the Big 4 is getting canned... Or any top consulting company. Anyone here can confirm that for you.

That said, it's an annual raise, you know it's coming, they know it's coming. You didn't ask for a raise, because a raise is inevitable. It's the amount that is coming. Every year every company has a year end talk/review that discusses the amount of the raise. That is where you make your counter points to the amount you were expecting.

You sound like a miserable wise and beautiful woman who works in a miserable field. Stay put.

@Purebeast0, it sounds like you made the right move. You decided to be preemptive and influence the decision making process. People who put in the effort will be more likely get the reward.

I've seen a lot of people that just take the first offer they are given. I don't respect them. They have no spine and tend to be whiny losers.

 

[Ferzerp]

Wow. You clearly don't know what it's like to work in the business world What do you do and how much do you make?

Think I have it bad working 50-60? Try the interns and initial hires that come in to do audits and tax returns during busy season. Their said lives revolves around 80+ hours every single week.

Let me put it to you this way: Anyone working 40 hours in the Big 4 is getting canned... Or any top consulting company. Anyone here can confirm that for you.

That said, it's an annual raise, you know it's coming, they know it's coming. You didn't ask for a raise, because a raise is inevitable. It's the amount that is coming. Every year every company has a year end talk/review that discusses the amount of the raise. That is where you make your counter points to the amount you were expecting.

Buahaha. You're clearly a drone. When you actually make it (and not at a silly audit company), you are judged based on your value, not the hours you put in. Apparently you're under the impression that people have a high opinion of your field. They don't. And no, one need not work oneself to death to be well compensated. In fact, if you're having to work yourself to death to keep up, there are two options. Either you're not valued, and are being exploited and probably should seek a more equitable arrangement with a different organization, or you're incompetent and have to work yourself to death because you can't keep up. Which bucket do you fall in to? Frankly, whichever you are, I'd suggest you not pretend to others that what you do or working yourself to death is admirable.

You're in a crappy industry that takes advantage of all its workers (because the workers are a dime a dozen, and so it can). This is not something the rest of us aspire to. That you laud it makes me think you're a little brainwashed.

 

[KlokWyze]

You sure seem unhappy for a good looking guy that makes good money and has a family. Step back and smell the roses sometime brah.

What does this mean? Is this satire or something?

I asked for additional compensation when I was promoted at my previous company. I knew where I wanted to be and when they made the offer I told them I was expecting more. They came back and met my request.

Exactly. Thing is, if he said he was unhappy they would be more likely to come back with more money IMO. :biggrin:

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

What does this mean? Is this satire or something?



Exactly. Thing is, if he said he was unhappy they would be more likely to come back with more money IMO. :biggrin:

I just don't have the internet rage I once did. I suppose you are looking for a response from me so you can internet rage. Rage away.

 

[alkemyst]

The Squeaky Wheel Gets the Grease.

Most companies don't want to lose talent over a percent or two and most employees won't ask (many because they feel they are already walking on thin ice over their REAL performance).

@s0me0nesmind1, 80+ hours is excessive for most. My company it's usually 40 hour work weeks, sometimes less and sometimes more. Hitting 60 hours consistently is a non-event.

 

[purbeast0]

What does this mean? Is this satire or something?



Exactly. Thing is, if he said he was unhappy they would be more likely to come back with more money IMO. :biggrin:

heh, you do make a good point. however, as mentioned, this company is NOT the norm and unlike any other company i've worked for. i think it would be better for me to just be honest with them and tell them exactly how i feel, rather than say i'm unhappy (when i'm not) because morals and ethics in general is something that this company REALLY stresses in general.

 

[Ferzerp]

Purbeast0, you have to sell yourself, and make sure you maximize your salary potential. No one is going to do that for you except yourself. Kudos on working towards that.

edit: Your negotiating skills could use some work. You let them know they hold all the cards, but at least it's a start!

 

[KlokWyze]

I just don't have the internet rage I once did. I suppose you are looking for a response from me so you can internet rage. Rage away.

Nah I just didn't get your point. He doesn't seem unhappy at all. He was just responding to that dude who was being a dick. Now.....

RRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEE :twisted:

 

[brianmanahan]

hopefully they dont take the shaky voice as a sign of weakness, lol

if they mention it, say you're just finishing up puberty

 

[yllus]

hopefully it pans out. and whether it pans out or not, i'm in no way trying to find a new job at the current time because as mentioned, the position is awesome, and the pay/benefits is unbeatable for the most part.

anyone else tried this before?

Sure do. As far as I know this is how raises work; employers don't usually sit down at the end of the year and say, "Gosh, Bob really is great and we should pay him more!" You usually need to do some cheerful prodding. Your approach is exactly right.

That said, it's an annual raise, you know it's coming, they know it's coming. You didn't ask for a raise, because a raise is inevitable. It's the amount that is coming. Every year every company has a year end talk/review that discusses the amount of the raise. That is where you make your counter points to the amount you were expecting.

Significant raises require time to be discussed and get approved at most companies that have more than 10 or 15 employees. If you wait until your year end talk, you're not really going in for a "talk"; you're going to be told what's been already decided without your input. It behooves each of us to signal early what we're looking for. A good manager will then hopefully go to bat for you if they believe you justify the amount.

 

[Capt Caveman]

So wait, let me understand: You asked for a higher raise... before you knew the raise you are getting?

That just sounds fucking retarded and pompous. I would be sure to put you at the bottom of the list for being such a jackass to feel the need to mention your raise being low before receiving said low raise. How about you wait to RECEIVE A RAISE so you can TALK ABOUT the raise?

You must be a retard or something. If you wait for the raise, it's already been determined, approved and signed-off by the higher-ups. There is a pre-determined percentage of money allocated for raises/bonuses and by the time you wait to find out, the money has already been allocated.

And you then expect your boss to go back to his bosses/HR/etc to fight for you and go thru the whole approval process again after he's already decided on what he's going to give you for a raise. Sounds like a winning move!

 

[purbeast0]

hopefully they dont take the shaky voice as a sign of weakness, lol

if they mention it, say you're just finishing up puberty

lol i didn't sound like the dude from the simpsons or anything, i just definitely felt nervous and i could personally tell i had some kind of shakiness in my voice initially but it definitely went away. no clue if it was actually noticeable to anybody else but myself.