Asians speaking out against anti-Asian laws

[Stokely]

Completely agree, socially conservative persons of color have missed that at its core the MAGA movement is really one of white Christian nationalism. The real leaders of the movement don’t give two shits about them or their funny ungodly religious beliefs.

Yeah they will have the joys of having loaded the lgbtq folks onto the trains before it’s their turn I guess.

Well, most of the Trump-loving minority people I know (many Chinese among them) are Christian so I guess they figure that gets them in the club. Nothing as hardcore as a Christian who came to it later in life either, in my experience...

 

[APU_Fusion]

Greenman is weird

 

[akugami]

Greenman probably has me on ignore, due to the fact that I call him out on his lies and ask him to clarify his stance. Ignoring me, and others who question his beliefs and stances, gives him the ability to pretend no one opposes his views. Hiding your head in a hole gives you the illusion that no one calls you out on your lies, and not having to answer inconvenient questions.


@WelshBloke The problem with these anti-land laws is they clearly work to discriminate Chinese buying land that are clearly not part of communist China. They were clearly passed on the "China evil" agenda. Not all Chinese are evil. To me, it's just another in a long line of discriminitory anti-Asian laws passed in the US. And caught in the crossfire are all Asians, not just Chinese, with many who are actual US citizens, whose families have been here for generations.


Anyhows, there is a huge anti-Asian sentiment within the GOP. It is a part of a larger anti-minority stance within the GOP. This is not new news, but the new news is that there is growing dissatisfaction from Asians, and they are trying to fight back by backing candidates for various government positions that oppose the GOP.

While the anti-Asian sentiment did not begin with Trump, it has ratcheted up with rhetoric such as the "China virus" and other accusations.

As far as republican leaning tendencies in the Asian community, I've mentioned it before that it is very widespread. One has to understand that many Asians who immigrate to the US do so under the common goal of bettering their lives. They are escaping authoritarian governments and war. Just look at the instability in China, Vietnam, Laos, Myanmar, Korea, etc. If you're escaping from an authoritarian government that has its fingers in every pie, the idea of a hands-off government appeals to you. The very idea of small government, as espoused by conservatives, appeals to them. My own father is a registered republican who has voted for a democratic president in the last few elections.

I've stated in the past that most Asians, and especially Chinese, are just trying to make a living. They have no choice as we do in the US or other democratic republics. Do not confuse the Chinese communist party members with the general populace. The general populace has no say. My wife had to shush me when we've been on trips to Asian countries, because I was a little too open with my opinions.

 

[brycejones]

These laws have created enough uncertainty that people who look Chinese are having trouble closing transactions despite the law not applying to them. It’s encouraging legalized discrimination.

 

[WelshBloke]

@WelshBloke The problem with these anti-land laws is they clearly work to discriminate Chinese buying land that are clearly not part of communist China. They were clearly passed on the "China evil" agenda. Not all Chinese are evil. To me, it's just another in a long line of discriminitory anti-Asian laws passed in the US. And caught in the crossfire are all Asians, not just Chinese, with many who are actual US citizens, whose families have been here for generations.

I still feel like it's not racist as it's specifically targeting citizens of certain nations (with hostile relations with the US) rather than ethnicities.
I may well be missing out on a lot of nuance as I'm just going on the article posted.
It would be fairly impossible to just apply that law to people who are sympathetic to the regimes in charge of those countries so they are targeted at all citizens of those countries.

I see it in two stages really.
Non US citizens have less rights than US citizens in the US. That makes sense and every country works like that.
Citizens of countries deemed hostile or working against the US' interests have some rights suspended compared to citizens from 'friendly' nations. Again, I think every country works like that.

Anyhows, there is a huge anti-Asian sentiment within the GOP. It is a part of a larger anti-minority stance within the GOP. This is not new news, but the new news is that there is growing dissatisfaction from Asians, and they are trying to fight back by backing candidates for various government positions that oppose the GOP.

While the anti-Asian sentiment did not begin with Trump, it has ratcheted up with rhetoric such as the "China virus" and other accusations.

No arguments from me here! You'd have to be mad to vote Republican at this moment in time if you are anyone but a rich white guy, unless you like voting against your interests.

As far as republican leaning tendencies in the Asian community, I've mentioned it before that it is very widespread. One has to understand that many Asians who immigrate to the US do so under the common goal of bettering their lives. They are escaping authoritarian governments and war. Just look at the instability in China, Vietnam, Laos, Myanmar, Korea, etc. If you're escaping from an authoritarian government that has its fingers in every pie, the idea of a hands-off government appeals to you. The very idea of small government, as espoused by conservatives, appeals to them. My own father is a registered republican who has voted for a democratic president in the last few elections.

I've stated in the past that most Asians, and especially Chinese, are just trying to make a living. They have no choice as we do in the US or other democratic republics. Do not confuse the Chinese communist party members with the general populace. The general populace has no say. My wife had to shush me when we've been on trips to Asian countries, because I was a little too open with my opinions.

Again no arguments from me here. It's difficult when individuals get caught up in geopolitics and I have every sympathy with people who are just trying to better their own and their families lives.

Reading the article it seems like the law was supposed to target large amounts of land and property being bought as investments by foreign nationals, maybe it needs tweaking to not include houses that are lived in by the owner or businesses run by the owner?

 

[akugami]

@WelshBloke

I think we both agree the GOP has been leaning towards bias and bigotry.

I'll disagree with you on the intent of these laws, as they were passed through a clear anti-China bias. The problem I have with such laws is the way they were written, and the way they are enforce, serves to create bias towards all Asians and not just innocent Chinese.

Also, the evil-China boogeyman owns less than 1% of foreign farmland for example. Now, if you want to ban all foreign nationals from owning land within X miles of a military facility, I'm OK with that. But that's not how these laws are worded. But again, the way they are worded, it incites anti-Asian sentiments.

 

[WelshBloke]

@WelshBloke

I think we both agree the GOP has been leaning towards bias and bigotry.

I think that everyone would agree with that. Even supporters of the GOP!

I'll disagree with you on the intent of these laws, as they were passed through a clear anti-China bias. The problem I have with such laws is the way they were written, and the way they are enforce, serves to create bias towards all Asians and not just innocent Chinese.

I'm a fair distance away from the issue geographically and nuance wise so I'll definitely have missed some of the tone!

I can see an anti China stance but I think that's a result of the relationship between China and the US, that doesn't (and shouldn't) mean that it targets US citizens of Chinese ancestry.

Also, the evil-China boogeyman owns less than 1% of foreign farmland for example. Now, if you want to ban all foreign nationals from owning land within X miles of a military facility, I'm OK with that. But that's not how these laws are worded. But again, the way they are worded, it incites anti-Asian sentiments.

It's also targeted against a European country so I'm not convinced that it's specifically anti Asian. It's targeting countries deemed unfriendly to the US.

I think that there's far worse rhetoric thrown around at the moment that is actually racist. The targeting of Asian people during COVID being an international one that springs to mind. There's lots of examples here that I think are specific to the UK.

I absolutely agree that racists and the gar right are using pretty much anything they can as a wedge issue at the moment. I think that this issue is a bit muddy in that it targets nations rather than people.

 

[Thump553]

I think an argument can be made that this law is aimed at a noble goal, preventing foreign Chinese billionaires from buying up Florida property. But then again Florida treats Russian despots much differently than Chinese ones. Remember that DeSatan refused to redirect $300M of Florida pension investments that are invested in Russia, even after the Ukraine invasion started.

 

[soulcougher73]

That's pretty strange, a wire is crossed somewhere.

Must resist shooting fish in a barrel …

 

[Greenman]

Must resist shooting fish in a barrel …

Go ahead, my tremendous hulking ego is pretty much untouchable.