Asians messing up the grade curve for White students

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[KidViciou$]

hahahahaha, it begins!!!

 

[MicroChrome]

What begins?

I really can't believe this artrical ... I say get on the stick and start to CARE about your education.... I am white but I think there are a lot of lazy kids these days. They first need to "TRY"... But look... Our president is the most laziest person and dumb as a stump too. Can you really blame them? Look at the leader!!!


I feel sorry for the kid that wants to grow up and be just like Bush...

 

[Dissipate]

Quite the contrary: Many white parents say they're leaving because the schools are too academically driven and too narrowly invested in subjects such as math and science at the expense of liberal arts and extracurriculars like sports and other personal interests.

Booooooooo. :thumbsdown:

Liberal arts and extracurricular activities? Those kids should be hitting the math and science books. Liberal arts can always be done in spare time later on.

When and if I have kids, they will definately be hitting the math and science (much more so than liberal arts). I think I would have my kids doing number theory and abstract algebra by their senior year in high school. Freshman, sophmore and junior years I would have them taking calculus 1 - 4, introduction to differential equations, linear algebra and introduction to proofs and higher mathematics.

In addition to that, I would have them take college level introductory courses in physics, biology and computer science (maybe an intro class to Java).

Plus on top of that I would have them take real writing courses, where they teach grammar, punctuation and style. If you can't write well, you really have no business taking liberal arts classes to begin with.

To go off on somewhat of a tangent here, I can remember how my teachers would grade really easily on writing assignments. They were basically giving what I would call 'complete garbage' A's and B's. Perhaps there would be one revision of the essays, but we wouldn't even approach a level of writing that I would call 'clear and concise.'

I think high schoolers should be writing publishable essays before graduation.

Just last quarter at my university (UCSD) I helped edit one of my girlfriend's essays for some general ed class in history/philosophy. She said that she was relieved when she got her paper back with no red marks and she said that everyone else had tons of them. These foreign students are coming over here and not even learning how to write proper English. It is a pretty sad situation.

 

[rchiu]

I kinda sympathize with the non-Asian in Silicon Valley. Being a Chinese myself, I see Asian parents focus too much on academic, especially in Math and Science. Sometimes I feel kids lost the freedom to pursue what they like. Sometimes their life is miserable because Asian parents tend to compete on whose kids is most successful in school.

But again, many Asian kids do benefit from the focus in academic and become successful later in life. But I guess the important issue here is to find a balance on different focus, and give the kids the choice and the freedom. The school shouldn't only focus on Math and Science just because 90% of the parents demand so.

Having said that, if the non-Asain parent in Silicon Valley want to leave simply because there is not that many White and they don't want their kids to be too "Asian", they are just being racist and narrow minded.

 

[MicroChrome]

Ommm, you know this will get ZERO coverage in todays news. Were too busy debating darwin and that other stupid religious BS. Were spending billions wasting hours and hours in court trying to figure out who is right... Mean while... Science and Math have taken a back seat... All because the bush admin is handing out cash like it's candy to the religious party.

We don't care about science and math. But, if our kids are learning about evolution then look out!!! That's gotta be news worthy!!!

 

[KidViciou$]

Originally posted by: MicroChrome
What begins?

IT!

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: rchiu
I kinda sympathize with the non-Asian in Silicon Valley. Being a Chinese myself, I see Asian parents focus too much on academic, especially in Math and Science. Sometimes I feel kids lost the freedom to pursue what they like. Sometimes their life is miserable because Asian parents tend to compete on whose kids is most successful in school.

But again, many Asian kids do benefit from the focus in academic and become successful later in life. But I guess the important issue here is to find a balance on different focus, and give the kids the choice and the freedom. The school shouldn't only focus on Math and Science just because 90% of the parents demand so.

Having said that, if the non-Asain parent in Silicon Valley want to leave simply because there is not that many White and they don't want their kids to be too "Asian", they are just being racist and narrow minded.

Hey don't worry, given a few generations here in America kids of Asian ancestry will be just as lazy and fat as their Caucasian counterparts.:laugh:

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: rchiu
I kinda sympathize with the non-Asian in Silicon Valley. Being a Chinese myself, I see Asian parents focus too much on academic, especially in Math and Science. Sometimes I feel kids lost the freedom to pursue what they like. Sometimes their life is miserable because Asian parents tend to compete on whose kids is most successful in school.

But again, many Asian kids do benefit from the focus in academic and become successful later in life. But I guess the important issue here is to find a balance on different focus, and give the kids the choice and the freedom. The school shouldn't only focus on Math and Science just because 90% of the parents demand so.

Having said that, if the non-Asain parent in Silicon Valley want to leave simply because there is not that many White and they don't want their kids to be too "Asian", they are just being racist and narrow minded.

no kidding, parents do anything to move to better school districts. then send the kids to after school tutoring centers blah blah. when chinese parents get together u can be education is the friggin topic. it does raise the pressure to preform in the already good school districts.

Ommm, you know this will get ZERO coverage in todays news. Were too busy debating darwin and that other stupid religious BS. Were spending billions wasting hours and hours in court trying to figure out who is right... Mean while... Science and Math have taken a back seat... All because the bush admin is handing out cash like it's candy to the religious party.

no, it will be ignored because asians are the inconvenient minority. its better to write stories blaming the schools for underperforming hispanics and blacks.


but yea in the end it is racist to talk about asians doing too well or there being too many. imagine blacks or hispanics doing "too well" or being too numerous. its a crock. it was an issue in san fran a while back..trying to keep asian parents from choosing their schools trying to spread the asians around

 

[sisq0kidd]

I'm Asian. I agree with the article title that I have somehow messed up the curve for Whites. Every single one of them have received a higher grade thanks to me being in the class

 

[Proletariat]

"This may sound bad, but they may be the only white kid in the class"

WTF? California must be completely diff than the east coast. I remember there being about 50 Asians in my class and like 10 Indians. I mean, yea, they probably all got straight A's but the whole class was like 500 people. Probably about 75% white.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Quite the contrary: Many white parents say they're leaving because the schools are too academically driven and too narrowly invested in subjects such as math and science at the expense of liberal arts and extracurriculars like sports and other personal interests.

Booooooooo. :thumbsdown:

Liberal arts and extracurricular activities? Those kids should be hitting the math and science books. Liberal arts can always be done in spare time later on.

When and if I have kids, they will definately be hitting the math and science (much more so than liberal arts). I think I would have my kids doing number theory and abstract algebra by their senior year in high school. Freshman, sophmore and junior years I would have them taking calculus 1 - 4, introduction to differential equations, linear algebra and introduction to proofs and higher mathematics.

In addition to that, I would have them take college level introductory courses in physics, biology and computer science (maybe an intro class to Java).

Plus on top of that I would have them take real writing courses, where they teach grammar, punctuation and style. If you can't write well, you really have no business taking liberal arts classes to begin with.

To go off on somewhat of a tangent here, I can remember how my teachers would grade really easily on writing assignments. They were basically giving what I would call 'complete garbage' A's and B's. Perhaps there would be one revision of the essays, but we wouldn't even approach a level of writing that I would call 'clear and concise.'

I think high schoolers should be writing publishable essays before graduation.

Just last quarter at my university (UCSD) I helped edit one of my girlfriend's essays for some general ed class in history/philosophy. She said that she was relieved when she got her paper back with no red marks and she said that everyone else had tons of them. These foreign students are coming over here and not even learning how to write proper English. It is a pretty sad situation.

I intend to let me children take thier own path. That way when they go off to college they are not such nervous wrecks that they have guzzle alcohol to drown their memories of obessive parents that look at them as failures because they don't want to be mathmeticians in the first place.

 

[Cooler]

someone once asked if I was half asian because i use to mess up curve in all my math and sciences classes. I said no and i dont even look asian.

 

[IdaGno]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Quite the contrary: Many white parents say they're leaving because the schools are too academically driven and too narrowly invested in subjects such as math and science at the expense of liberal arts and extracurriculars like sports and other personal interests.

Booooooooo. :thumbsdown:

Liberal arts and extracurricular activities? Those kids should be hitting the math and science books. Liberal arts can always be done in spare time later on.

hippie parents

 

[BarneyFife]

Asian students tend to be like robots. They sit there and do homework/study 24/7. I was I had the will power to do that.

 

[techs]

Back in the late 70's when I was in a "special" high school for gifted students the school was mostly white with a high percentage of Jewish students. Very few Asians.
Back in about 2000 I went to visit my hold high school because they were going to tear it down to build a new one. It seemed as if 80 percent of the students then were Asian.
Just an observation.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: MicroChrome
What begins?

I really can't believe this artrical ... I say get on the stick and start to CARE about your education.... I am white but I think there are a lot of lazy kids these days. They first need to "TRY"... But look... Our president is the most laziest person and dumb as a stump too. Can you really blame them? Look at the leader!!!


I feel sorry for the kid that wants to grow up and be just like Bush..

Why wouldn't you want your kid to grow up like Bush? He's a great man, a great cheerleader, and an awesome Christian. All the things you need to be a perfect American!

And he didn't need no stinkin' educmacation to get up there and say, "Is our chilren learnin'?"

 

[Kibbo86]

Hey Dissipate,

How do your kids feel about your plan?

 

[Starbuck1975]

Liberal arts and extracurricular activities? Those kids should be hitting the math and science books. Liberal arts can always be done in spare time later on.

Great...so we can raise a society of socially inept and awkward kids...I welcome our nerd overlords with open arms.

The liberal arts, extra-curricular sports and the likes are almost a necessity to ensure well rounded students who are able to adapt in various careers and environments...not every kid has aspirations of becoming a software engineer, doctor or financial analyst...even if this school, and its surrounding community, is based in Silicon valley...I believe parents should encourage their kids to achieve, but within reason.

Having said that, if the non-Asain parent in Silicon Valley want to leave simply because there is not that many White and they don't want their kids to be too "Asian", they are just being racist and narrow minded.

I think the issue is more the case of a school district narrowing opportunities for those that do not embrace the Asian cultural norm of focusing on math and sciences, at the sacrifice of extra-curricular, liberal arts and other programs that are a bit more abstract in terms of their benefits towards student growth.

 

[totalcommand]

HOW DOES IT FEEL, WHITE PEOPLE, TO BE IN THE MINORITY??

YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: totalcommand
HOW DOES IT FEEL, WHITE PEOPLE, TO BE IN THE MINORITY??

YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.

I am going to cry now...

 

[sunzt]

I'm an Asian college student and I think the work ethic and increased standards that the asian students brings to the schools are great! It should motivate the other students to do better and make the school look better to recruiters.

Asians are definatly competitive in their academics and if the whities can't take it then they should learn to either pick up the pace or just accept their own standing without the b****ing of how asian people made things more competitive. Don't they realize that recruiters take that stuff (the skewed scores) into consideration?

About liberal arts and extracurriculars, I think they should have a better balance than they currently do. Science and math are very important, but use a different thought processes than some liberal arts classes. AP history classes and engrish classes (when taught correctly) can develop a thinking processes that numbers and science can't provide. Those classes often encourage debate and improve writing skills as well.

Extracurriculars shouldn't be sidelined either. They should supplement a child's high school experience so they know that the real world isn't just about getting the A+. It's also about knowing what you like and doing it. Besides, they're fun too.

In the end, a child needs to gets a good balance of intellectual, emotional, and social development and exposure.

 

[JackStorm]

Originally posted by: Kibbo86
Hey Dissipate,

How do your kids feel about your plan?

You know, Dissipate's post struck me as odd as well. Rather authoritarian for someone whos usually Anarchist leaning.

I mean, honestly, what gives? Did someone hijack his account ?

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Quite the contrary: Many white parents say they're leaving because the schools are too academically driven and too narrowly invested in subjects such as math and science at the expense of liberal arts and extracurriculars like sports and other personal interests.

Booooooooo. :thumbsdown:

Liberal arts and extracurricular activities? Those kids should be hitting the math and science books. Liberal arts can always be done in spare time later on.

When and if I have kids, they will definately be hitting the math and science (much more so than liberal arts). I think I would have my kids doing number theory and abstract algebra by their senior year in high school. Freshman, sophmore and junior years I would have them taking calculus 1 - 4, introduction to differential equations, linear algebra and introduction to proofs and higher mathematics.

In addition to that, I would have them take college level introductory courses in physics, biology and computer science (maybe an intro class to Java).

Plus on top of that I would have them take real writing courses, where they teach grammar, punctuation and style. If you can't write well, you really have no business taking liberal arts classes to begin with.

To go off on somewhat of a tangent here, I can remember how my teachers would grade really easily on writing assignments. They were basically giving what I would call 'complete garbage' A's and B's. Perhaps there would be one revision of the essays, but we wouldn't even approach a level of writing that I would call 'clear and concise.'

I think high schoolers should be writing publishable essays before graduation.

Just last quarter at my university (UCSD) I helped edit one of my girlfriend's essays for some general ed class in history/philosophy. She said that she was relieved when she got her paper back with no red marks and she said that everyone else had tons of them. These foreign students are coming over here and not even learning how to write proper English. It is a pretty sad situation.

I intend to let me children take thier own path. That way when they go off to college they are not such nervous wrecks that they have guzzle alcohol to drown their memories of obessive parents that look at them as failures because they don't want to be mathmeticians in the first place.

You wouldn't let them walk out into the street in front of a bus would you? i.e. you probably wouldn't let them 'take their own path' in the physical world at all times. No, they need guidance.

Therefore, you need to make sure they don't end up on the wrong path in their academic careers. Liberal arts and humanities can be the right path, but only after sufficient skill in mathematics and some science has been exhibited. The reason why is that the foundation of our entire understanding of the known universe is math/science. Like it or not, it is the best way we have of explaining phenomenon and organizing/analyzing data.

Not only that but math provides us with a very rigorous and clear way of thinking. In order to debate in the political science club, you need to be able to see through fallacies. Additionally, this kind of thinking can allow one to generate new arguments from old/established ones. A good example of this is being able to take the contrapositive of a statement on the fly.

My point is that as a parent it is your responsibility that they don't end up as some wandering poet babbling verses to themselves as they ponder the metaphysics of existentialism. Let them ponder the metaphysics of existentialism after they have acquired the potential to produce things of some utility.

 

[Remy XO]

I went to a school that was mostly asian and most of them were lazy scums. I think that area just happens to be an area with alot of uper-class asians and most upper class asians treat their children this way. It didnt matter if they were asian or not. And what asians are they? Most asians like living with their opwn nationalities. I never seen a city that has a mix amount of different asian-nationalities. It's always Chinese, Korean, or South-Asian populated. Different asian nationalities tend to stick together.