these look like 6ns chips which i didnt think would do pc3500! i was wrong in a few cases as these chips went higher than the winbond at more than once... depends on teh rig and memory i guess.
these look like 6ns chips which i didnt think would do pc3500! i was wrong in a few cases as these chips went higher than the winbond at more than once... depends on teh rig and memory i guess.
T-
I got the Copper heatspredder. I for one could care less about what chip it is, what speed is on the chip, etc. I only want it to run at it's advertised speed. I'm not a memory snob
and if you find some mutant/bizarro 10ns sticks that run consistently at PC3700 I'd be down
Self
I got the Copper heatspredder. I for one could care less about what chip it is, what speed is on the chip, etc. I only want it to run at it's advertised speed. I'm not a memory snob
and if you find some mutant/bizarro 10ns sticks that run consistently at PC3700 I'd be down Self
I am not too happy either. I ordered the winbound 3200 chips and got ocz It does run 2-3-3-6 at 200, but will not run at 2-2-2-6. I guess I got what I paid for...
It does run 2-3-3-6 at 200, but will not run at 2-2-2-6. I guess I got what I paid for...Don't let them get away with it guys. You can make a difference if you press. Seeing the false "Windbond" chips, pi$$es me off, and I did not even buy any of these.
LOL!
Have you guys checked out their Terms & Conditions page? I love the clauses below that they try to get away with.
http://www.hardcorecooling.com/conditions.htm
So after I give them my personal information and CC info, they can do whatever the hell they want with my order, cuz they can change the terms and conditions at ANY time for ANY reason? LOL. I guess they think this is reason enough for them to be shipping out OCZ and non-Winbond chips. Exaggerated general all-encompassing clauses like these in contracts are almost always struck down in court.
Anyway, just wondering if you guys got as much of a kick outta reading their Terms & Conditions as I did. My order is set to arrive on Monday. After I get it and check it out, I'll see what and if any actions need to be taken.
Have you guys checked out their Terms & Conditions page? I love the clauses below that they try to get away with.
http://www.hardcorecooling.com/conditions.htm
So after I give them my personal information and CC info, they can do whatever the hell they want with my order, cuz they can change the terms and conditions at ANY time for ANY reason? LOL. I guess they think this is reason enough for them to be shipping out OCZ and non-Winbond chips. Exaggerated general all-encompassing clauses like these in contracts are almost always struck down in court.
Anyway, just wondering if you guys got as much of a kick outta reading their Terms & Conditions as I did. My order is set to arrive on Monday. After I get it and check it out, I'll see what and if any actions need to be taken.
Well it appears that at the very least we can't trust them no matter what now.. perhaps pspada and some other people may have gotten chips as advertised while the rest were screwed over.. that sucks guys I hope you can find some way to make them pay for this and as for the people who say they have wonderful memory you should rip off those heatspreaders and see what you really have
Edit: oh and m1ke101 sorry about the blaming the hardware thing but you did prove it wasn't your board.. back when we thought this company may have been honest it made sense as the newer boards have been having trouble with getting proper memory to speed... now I'm pissed off that we have found yet another place to add to the blacklist
and as for the people who say they have wonderful memory you should rip off those heatspreaders and see what you really have
Edit: oh and m1ke101 sorry about the blaming the hardware thing but you did prove it wasn't your board.. back when we thought this company may have been honest it made sense as the newer boards have been having trouble with getting proper memory to speed... now I'm pissed off that we have found yet another place to add to the blacklist
The minute I seen this, my first thought was has anyone confirmed that these "great deals" were indeed the real thing. In some cases it looks like its not.
oh yeah guy, i placed a link to resellerratings.com in one of my posts for guys to give them some 'GREAT FEEDBACK' :disgust: ... please back click a page or two and use it!
Removing heat spreader will show you if the distributor is giving you the shaft, and proves you should avoid Hardcorecooling.
But, removing the heat spreader and seeing what chips you have still does NOT indicate performance.
It is all about the manufacturer and distributor, NOT the chips used!!!!!
For example, those 6ns chips that yakitori shows, V-Data VDD8608A8A-6B,
have scored the highest FSB speeds out of ALL chips, when used by the right manufacturer.
Not in English, but easy enough to figure out 263MHz fsb (526DDR) at 1.96v
You can also get Winbond and still not hit 166MHz (333DDR), if the manufacturer blows.
But, removing the heat spreader and seeing what chips you have still does NOT indicate performance.
It is all about the manufacturer and distributor, NOT the chips used!!!!!
For example, those 6ns chips that yakitori shows, V-Data VDD8608A8A-6B,
have scored the highest FSB speeds out of ALL chips, when used by the right manufacturer.
Not in English, but easy enough to figure out 263MHz fsb (526DDR) at 1.96v
You can also get Winbond and still not hit 166MHz (333DDR), if the manufacturer blows.
They changed the description of the RAM. I had the page bookmarked for reference and when I got up this morning this is what it now says:
But they are still advertising 4.5ns chips and I still got 6ns chips. This is getting stupider and stupider.
But they are still advertising 4.5ns chips and I still got 6ns chips. This is getting stupider and stupider.
Those are the exact same chips on the PC3700 I just received. 6ns chips making it to 466?.....I don't think so :| Hence the reason it's not stable at 166!!
Self
For reference, I'm getting several of the OCZ PC3200 Rev. 2 DIMMs to test. As soon as they arrive, I'll run Sandra on 'em, and post the results.
Jaxidian
Platinum Member
My sticks are coming in this afternoon, I'll post here what they are and how they perform sometime tonite...
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Between this place and the lousy treatment and overcharging I got at excaliburpc.com I'm afraid of anyplace other than Mwave, newegg, and googlegear to get my memory!
"Same die as windbond " these guys are jokers their local better business bureau needs to know this I think.
"Same die as windbond " these guys are jokers their local better business bureau needs to know this I think.
I ordered the 3500 CAS 2.0 winbond 4.5ns chips and got the V-Data chips. I called and talked to "Matt", he gave me the same run-around that the chips were "better" than the winbond.
With all of the crap that is coming out about the chips, I am going to call them back and ask if they will get me the winbond chips I ordered or refund my purchase price without the 20% restocking fee.
I am upset that I did not receive the chips I ordered... This is not right, Bait & Switch is illegal.
xxiv
Followup: I spoke to Matt again, they are not getting the winbond chips. He said that their distributor is sending them these chips and that they are saying that the chips outperform the winbond chips. I told him that I was looking at the adata site AData and that there was no way the chips would reach PC3500, 434MHz, cas 2.0 with the timings that were on the original webpage. He also said they were getting calls about this from other people...
I told him that since I did not receive the items that I ordered that I wanted an RMA and to not be charged the 20% "Restocking Fee". He gave me the RMA and said that there would be no restocking fee. I will be sending them back tomorrow and eating the shipping costs.
Caveat Emptor
xxiv
Ok, I received my PC3200 CAS2 "Winbond" 512MB stick today. It had the same Vantec heatsink installed. I have not taken apart heatspreader, but underneath, I'm pretty sure it's also the V-Data chips that others have been getting. It is currently running fine in my machine right now though, at these specs:
Intel P4 2.4GHz/533FSB overclocked to 2.7GHz/600FSB
Gigabyte GA-8PE667 Ultra mobo
Base FSB speed of 150MHz (overclocked from 133MHz)
Quad-pumped FSB speed of 600MHz (150 X 4 = 600)
Memory speed of 375MHz (2.5 X 150 = 375)
Memory timings of 7-1-1-1 6-1-1-1 1.5-2-2 (as reported by Sandra Sisoft)
Yes, it is running at CAS1.5, because my mobo has a "Top Performance" setting in BIOS that eeks out even faster memory timings. Base memory timing settings are 2-3-3-7. Then with "Top Performance" enabled, it lowers everything some more.
I tried a base FSB speed of 166MHz (4 X 166 = 664FSB) to reach 3.0GHz, and a memory speed of 333MHz (2.0 X 166 = 333), but Windows would not boot at all. This tells me that it's my CPU that's unable to reach 3.0GHz because the memory speed is a low PC2700 333MHz speed. It could already do 375MHz with very low latency settings without problems.
My old 512MB stick was a Mushkin CAS2 PC2100. It was running at:
Base FSB speed of 150MHz
Memory speed of 300MHz (2.0 x 150 = 300)
Memory timings of 7-1-1-1 6-1-1-1 1.5-2-2 also
With this old stick, I was unable to run a 2.5 X 150 = 375MHz memory speed. This was my goal, hence I wanted some PC3200 ram to have a little head room.
What I have received from Harddrivecooling.com satisfies my goal, but I am a little bit annoyed that the item is not specifically as advertised. I won't be returning the ram though, because it seems to be running just fine. If you are not satisfied with what you got, however, definitely call them up and demand a refund or exactly the item you paid for.
Intel P4 2.4GHz/533FSB overclocked to 2.7GHz/600FSB
Gigabyte GA-8PE667 Ultra mobo
Base FSB speed of 150MHz (overclocked from 133MHz)
Quad-pumped FSB speed of 600MHz (150 X 4 = 600)
Memory speed of 375MHz (2.5 X 150 = 375)
Memory timings of 7-1-1-1 6-1-1-1 1.5-2-2 (as reported by Sandra Sisoft)
Yes, it is running at CAS1.5, because my mobo has a "Top Performance" setting in BIOS that eeks out even faster memory timings. Base memory timing settings are 2-3-3-7. Then with "Top Performance" enabled, it lowers everything some more.
I tried a base FSB speed of 166MHz (4 X 166 = 664FSB) to reach 3.0GHz, and a memory speed of 333MHz (2.0 X 166 = 333), but Windows would not boot at all. This tells me that it's my CPU that's unable to reach 3.0GHz because the memory speed is a low PC2700 333MHz speed. It could already do 375MHz with very low latency settings without problems.
My old 512MB stick was a Mushkin CAS2 PC2100. It was running at:
Base FSB speed of 150MHz
Memory speed of 300MHz (2.0 x 150 = 300)
Memory timings of 7-1-1-1 6-1-1-1 1.5-2-2 also
With this old stick, I was unable to run a 2.5 X 150 = 375MHz memory speed. This was my goal, hence I wanted some PC3200 ram to have a little head room.
What I have received from Harddrivecooling.com satisfies my goal, but I am a little bit annoyed that the item is not specifically as advertised. I won't be returning the ram though, because it seems to be running just fine. If you are not satisfied with what you got, however, definitely call them up and demand a refund or exactly the item you paid for.
Looks like I called this turkey. Good luck to everyone. Hope you get full refunds from these jokers.
>> unless you run battlefield 1942, while burning cds, and browsing with 20 IE windows open. + 7+ streaming downloads
Thats exactly what I do
ANd 512 to 1gig of ram made a significant difference, even though I was a prescriber of 512 is enough for anyone.
Thats exactly what I do
ANd 512 to 1gig of ram made a significant difference, even though I was a prescriber of 512 is enough for anyone.
I am glad that the true nature of this company was revealed and that the true chips are now shown off. Heat spreaders are for steers and queers. And they may be hard but they dont have horns.
Jaxidian
Platinum Member
I just got my 2 sticks of the 512MB PC3200 "Winbond" stuff and popped them in there at 150MHz @ 2,3,3,6 and they're working fine. I know they're not up to speed yet, just wanted to start lower than spec and then move up. Anyways, I did check and the chips are the same VData chips as in the pictures. However, an interesting thing that I noticed is that my stick of RAM that I took out (a 512MB stick from Mushkin), also has VData chips on it! So apparently these VData chips aren't as generic as some have led to believe.
This is no excuse for not selling what was advertised, but I'm going at this with an optimistic view before I get too mad...
Will update later with more results...
This is no excuse for not selling what was advertised, but I'm going at this with an optimistic view before I get too mad...
Will update later with more results...
hey all i just got home and here is a summary of my conversation with Matthew at hardcorecooling.com...
i just called and spoke with Matt and he told me that they were only trying to keep people from having to wait for the new shipment of winbond chips to come in so they took a loss and shipped you guys the more expensive vdata/ocz ddr modules.
he also told me their distributor will now be shipping them (hardcorecooling) the vdata chips as they supposedly perform better than the winbond memory in their tests. they may not do 400mhz at cas2 but they do reach much higher speeds at cas2.5. he said this is the high performance ddr they will be stocking until they are notified otherwise by their distributor.
most importantly he told me that they are waiving any restocking fees for those who aren't happy with the memory they were shipped. he asked that you guys call them asap and ask for Matt and he will work with you on a refund or exchange minus any restocking fees. their number is 866-326-4899 toll free.
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alright guys, please be civil when you call as the guy was totally apologetic and felt bad about those of you who aren't happy. the winbond chips are not available at this time so you all may want to just get your refunds or try testing the vdata memory with the specified memory timings for those chips before you call or send it back for a refund. scroll back in this thread for the proper memory timings as i cant remember. if somone knows for sure the correct timing for the vdata memory please post it - if you have already please just disregard this part.
imo i dont think these guys were trying to scam anyone, but i can understand you guys being upset about not getting exactly what you paid for. please post back as to how your situation was handled. the way i see it is that their supplier switched gears midstream and they got wind of it after having already shipped some of these sticks of vdata. i am giving them teh benefit of teh doubt b/c they said they would correct a mistake they made. now, if guys don't get their money back (w/o a restocking fee) then i do a 180 but until then they are doing all they possibly can in my book.
lastly, be fair in your rating of this company. if you post a poor rating but then get a refund minus a restocking fee be descent enough to edit or rerate these guys.
-tb
oh yeah, sorry i didn't get this posted earlier but i was out of town and my relatives only have AOL so i was unable to post anything until i got back home... good luck fellas.
i just called and spoke with Matt and he told me that they were only trying to keep people from having to wait for the new shipment of winbond chips to come in so they took a loss and shipped you guys the more expensive vdata/ocz ddr modules.
he also told me their distributor will now be shipping them (hardcorecooling) the vdata chips as they supposedly perform better than the winbond memory in their tests. they may not do 400mhz at cas2 but they do reach much higher speeds at cas2.5. he said this is the high performance ddr they will be stocking until they are notified otherwise by their distributor.
most importantly he told me that they are waiving any restocking fees for those who aren't happy with the memory they were shipped. he asked that you guys call them asap and ask for Matt and he will work with you on a refund or exchange minus any restocking fees. their number is 866-326-4899 toll free.
**************
alright guys, please be civil when you call as the guy was totally apologetic and felt bad about those of you who aren't happy. the winbond chips are not available at this time so you all may want to just get your refunds or try testing the vdata memory with the specified memory timings for those chips before you call or send it back for a refund. scroll back in this thread for the proper memory timings as i cant remember. if somone knows for sure the correct timing for the vdata memory please post it - if you have already please just disregard this part.
imo i dont think these guys were trying to scam anyone, but i can understand you guys being upset about not getting exactly what you paid for. please post back as to how your situation was handled. the way i see it is that their supplier switched gears midstream and they got wind of it after having already shipped some of these sticks of vdata. i am giving them teh benefit of teh doubt b/c they said they would correct a mistake they made. now, if guys don't get their money back (w/o a restocking fee) then i do a 180 but until then they are doing all they possibly can in my book.
lastly, be fair in your rating of this company. if you post a poor rating but then get a refund minus a restocking fee be descent enough to edit or rerate these guys.
-tb
oh yeah, sorry i didn't get this posted earlier but i was out of town and my relatives only have AOL so i was unable to post anything until i got back home... good luck fellas.
very interesting.....i sent back my ram for refund and I hope I can get a full refund without the restocking fee
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