As much as I wanted a Haswell rig, now I'm thinking twice about it.

[StinkyPinky]

Haswell is all about the mobile market. Lots of power saving means lots of marketing. Ultrabooks with 13 hr battery life is a marketers dream.

 

[Revolution 11]

Wow Homeles, you really ripped into shady28. Go easy on the fact-correcting reply.

 

[moonbogg]

Can't see myself trading in a 3930k for a quad haswell. There something about going back down to 4 cores that I don't like, but benchmarks will ultimately decide for me. All I do is game really and with games using more cores lately i'm thinking quads might be reaching their maximum life.

 

[VirtualLarry]

There something about going back down to 4 cores that I don't like,
...
and with games using more cores lately i'm thinking quads might be reaching their maximum life.

I couldn't have said it better. My feelings exactly.

 

[grimpr]

I couldn't have said it better. My feelings exactly.

Selling hyperthreaded quadcores for 300$ is getting ridiculous, i'm pretty sure they will continue this trend where they will be most happy, wanting 300$ for atom sized 5nm Core i7s.

 

[UaVaj]

I'm thinking, I don't game anymore, what's the point.

But I already said I don't game much, so that matters little.

if you do not game. all you need is a pentium G processor. forget haswell.

then again this is an enthusiast forum, we all gadly spend money on stuff we do not need.


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Homeles - that is some tough love / reality check. pretty sure - we all can relate in one way or another.

then again this is an enthusiast forum, we like to feel that our wants' (not needs') are being addressed by the companies that take our $$$$. :whiste:

 

[guskline]

Is Steamroller really on the Horizon? Haswell is in production.

 

[grimpr]

Is Steamroller really on the Horizon? Haswell is in production.

No roadmap for AM3+ yet...to tell you the truth i have a hunch that AMD will abandon the AM3+ socket when Kaveri and FM3 hits the street presumably this year and consolidate all their cpu offerings on FM3 socket...Athlons,A Series and FX, if an desktop Steamroller FX rumour comes up with an integrated PCIe controller ondie, just like all Intel chips, then its a sure bet that AM3+ is dead and FM takes over, we'll find out in the months to come for sure.

 

[24601]

Just get Ivybridge-E when it comes out and be done with it.

Get Haswell-E if you can wait for it.

Anything less would just not be an upgrade worth doing.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Well how exactly would they increase clock speed? New manufacturing processes don't seem to be providing much benefit. They essentially need a breakthrough in materials science (à la HKMG) to get anywhere. They could implement RCM, but that's about it.

The pipeline is long enough already.

An i5 easily could be clocked 3.8 with turbo say 4.1 could it not?

 

[SocketF]

My understanding is that mainstream CPUs from Intel are still all quad-core chips, as far as roadmaps that have been leaked/released show.

That is correct, but I wrote "threads" not cores. I meant upgrading from the 4570K to the 5770K, whatever its name will be, I mean the 4core with Hyperthreading in 14nm.

Hyperthreading will benefit from the additional execution-pipeline, thus it should be nice. I wont be cheap, but maybe cheaper than any new platform with DDR4.

 

[SocketF]

No roadmap for AM3+ yet...to tell you the truth i have a hunch that AMD will abandon the AM3+ socket when Kaveri and FM3 hits the street presumably this year and consolidate all their cpu offerings on FM3 socket...Athlons,A Series and FX, if an desktop Steamroller FX rumour comes up with an integrated PCIe controller ondie, just like all Intel chips, then its a sure bet that AM3+ is dead and FM takes over, we'll find out in the months to come for sure.

I think so, too. The original plan was already to cancel AM3+ in 2012 and ship an 10core FX für socket FM2. Vishera was already a goodie for the AM3+ customers, I don't think that there will be a second.

And honestly, I really want to have integrated PCIe3 now for the high-end platform. Either that or an HTX3 graphics card :biggrin:

 

[StrangerGuy]

I think we all know the basic problem. Intel doesn't have serious competition from AMD, or anyone else, in the desktop space.

So, they can sit back with pathetic 10-15% per year performance gains. Initially they appear to be just fine.

But this is a fallacy they are rapidly falling into.

Those performance gains are not enough for people to lay down hard earned cash for upgrades every 2-3 years.

At this point, the average Joe's PC will probably last 5-8 years before they will feel the need to upgrade.

Intel desperately needs to get back to their core business and push the envelope for desktops, work with MS and other companies to get things moving again, but they are too busy playing at someone else's game (ARM/Mobile) and milking existing tech (quad core, really, that's very 2008).

Meanwhile 90% of their business that is the core of their revenue slowly dies.

So, after more than half a decade of selling overpowered CPUs for the average consumer they should selling even MORE overpowered ones so people have even LESS reason to buy new PCs. Intel should hire you as a consultant.

 

[JAG87]

I think we all know the basic problem. Intel doesn't have serious competition from AMD, or anyone else, in the desktop space.

So, they can sit back with pathetic 10-15% per year performance gains. Initially they appear to be just fine.

But this is a fallacy they are rapidly falling into.

Those performance gains are not enough for people to lay down hard earned cash for upgrades every 2-3 years.

At this point, the average Joe's PC will probably last 5-8 years before they will feel the need to upgrade.

Intel desperately needs to get back to their core business and push the envelope for desktops, work with MS and other companies to get things moving again, but they are too busy playing at someone else's game (ARM/Mobile) and milking existing tech (quad core, really, that's very 2008).

Meanwhile 90% of their business that is the core of their revenue slowly dies.

What an idiotic post. Intel couldn't care less about what you think is worth your hard earned cash.

With literally everything short of operating systems moving into the cloud, Intel's revenue from data center/server is going to shift in the next 10 years to 30% today to 70%. Do you know what matters in data center/server? Power consumption. That's it. That's all corporations care about. Because running a data center 24/7 costs just as much $$ as buying it.

They see this coming, while clearly you don't.

And if that is not enough, they are desperately trying to displace ARM in the mobile space. And again, what matters here is power consumption. But that doesn't seem likely anytime soon.

 

[cytg111]

I was considering a Haswell quad-core, but since I already own two Q9300 CPUs and two 1045T hex-core CPUs, one in a 990FX board with all the features (except PCI-E 3.0), I'm thinking, I don't game anymore, what's the point.

I might upgrade the Thuban to a Steamroller CPU, when and if they are released. 8 cores x 4Ghz sounds pretty sweet to me. Especially since many things, especially games, are becoming more multi-threaded, and not less. But I already said I don't game much, so that matters little.

I'm also thinking that with DDR4 on the horizon, that it might not make sense to upgrade to a platform with DDR3, just before that comes out, if there are any tangible performance benefits to DDR4.

I hear you!
The one thing that has put me in the "upgrade box" for sure is Crysis-3, first time this q9450 (5 years old?) have felt old. So if I didnt game from time to time I wouldnt upgrade either.

 

[cytg111]

So, after more than half a decade of selling overpowered CPUs for the average consumer they should selling even MORE overpowered ones so people have even LESS reason to buy new PCs. Intel should hire you as a consultant.

Overpowered? What? Where?
Matter of definition man, CPU's can *NEVER* be overpowered.
Never !!

 

[Mars999]

Overpowered? What? Where?
Matter of definition man, CPU's can *NEVER* be overpowered.
Never !!

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[NTMBK]

Overpowered? What? Where?
Matter of definition man, CPU's can *NEVER* be overpowered.
Never !!

So you think a 10 core Xeon in a tablet is a good idea, huh?

Every CPU is a balance between cost, processing power, and power draw/battery life. Just turning it up to 11 isn't always the answer.

 

[Zap]

I want more than 2 SATA3 ports

I've heard Z87 chipset will have either six or eight SATA 6Gb/s ports native.

Haswell is all about the mobile market. Lots of power saving means lots of marketing. Ultrabooks with 13 hr battery life is a marketers dream.

Nah. We will get the same crappy 5 hour battery life, only in a 2 pound package instead of 2.5 pound package. :\ That is my prediction. Lower power draw = smaller battery for same battery life.

I hope that I'm wrong.

 

[Kippa]

I was thinking of upgrading my computer last yeat but I really don't see huge benefits to justify it. I have a nice i7 970 six core cpu and although sandybridge has a six core as well, there hasn't been a huge jump in performance to justify upgrading at the moment. Perhaps if they bring out a 10 core cpu then maybe, but if it is less than 8 cores then smeg that. I do 3d rendering and video editing so I do use all the cores before someone says about them not being used.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I've heard Z87 chipset will have either six or eight SATA 6Gb/s ports native.



Nah. We will get the same crappy 5 hour battery life, only in a 2 pound package instead of 2.5 pound package. :\ That is my prediction. Lower power draw = smaller battery for same battery life.

I hope that I'm wrong.

6 Ports native. And the chipset is made on 32nm instead of the previous 65nm.

 

[cytg111]

So you think a 10 core Xeon in a tablet is a good idea, huh?

Every CPU is a balance between cost, processing power, and power draw/battery life. Just turning it up to 11 isn't always the answer.

YES! I would very much like that IF mankind had invented the language neccesary to leverage those cores in non-niche scenarios, then Yes! ..

 

[Idontcare]

Nah. We will get the same crappy 5 hour battery life, only in a 2 pound package instead of 2.5 pound package. :\ That is my prediction. Lower power draw = smaller battery for same battery life.

Doesn't that just grind your gears!? It grinds mine.

Billions spent developing power sipping processors and finfet process nodes and the OEMs take the opportunity as a chance to save five pennies by making the battery smaller. :\ Talk about your monumentally boneheaded product trade-offs

I want my laptop to last me a full day on the go. And I don't mean one of those mythical 8hr workdays that only school teachers and postal workers get to experience. (personal note: my mother, MIL, and two aunts are school teachers, and my father was a postal worker, so that ain't just me bashing, I know what a full work day or work week entails for those occupations )

I mean an honest to goodness 6am to 9pm workday without me spending every hour hunting for a chair near an unused power outlet.

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

^ So this. I love my ASUS X202E "ultrabook", but why did they have to cheap out and just put in a 2-cell batt :|

 

[guskline]

No roadmap for AM3+ yet...to tell you the truth i have a hunch that AMD will abandon the AM3+ socket when Kaveri and FM3 hits the street presumably this year and consolidate all their cpu offerings on FM3 socket...Athlons,A Series and FX, if an desktop Steamroller FX rumour comes up with an integrated PCIe controller ondie, just like all Intel chips, then its a sure bet that AM3+ is dead and FM takes over, we'll find out in the months to come for sure.

I agree. I think the "pushback" of Steamroller to 2014 was an acknowlegment that the 990FX chipset and socket AM3+ was done with upgrades. At the very least the wait will be another year.

I opted to bump my 2500k up to a 3770k and truthfully I'm thrilled. IF you live near a MicroCenter a 3770k is $229.99 a steal.