As I sit here and listen to the soundtrack from Patton.....

[shiner]

I can't help but thank God that we had men like him, General MacArthur, Admiral Nimitz, etc, etc....and all the men they commanded in WWII. Makes me wonder if the current generation would be up to making the same sort of sacrifices as they did in order to defend this country and the world. Sadly I think not. Too many of today's generation care for nothing more than their own safety and comfort. Even worse we have a growing minority of morons who think war for any reason is wrong and would let the world be overrun by madmen.

 

[jadinolf]

The men you mentioned were great leaders. I know because I was around then.

Today's military leaders are probably the best ever.

 

[LeadMagnet]

Strom'n Norman was one of the greats too. 3 years ago I would have said Collin Powell as well.

 

[ScottyB]

My grandpa hated MacArthur. I guess getting left for 3 years in a prison camp and having to eat rats to survive will do that to someone.

 

[shiner]

Maybe I should have been more specific....I do think today's military and it's leaders are great. What I doubt are the people that would have to serve should a situation like WWI occur again. If there were a draft, a very VERY remote possibility, I just don't think there would be enough people that would make good soldiers.

 

[Vadatajs]

Originally posted by: shinerburke
I can't help but thank God that we had men like him, General MacArthur, Admiral Nimitz, etc, etc....and all the men they commanded in WWII. Makes me wonder if the current generation would be up to making the same sort of sacrifices as they did in order to defend this country and the world. Sadly I think not. Too many of today's generation care for nothing more than their own safety and comfort. Even worse we have a growing minority of morons who think war for any reason is wrong and would let the world be overrun by madmen.

Nice excuse for an attack on liberals. What ever makes that insane mind of yours happy

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: shinerburke
I can't help but thank God that we had men like him, General MacArthur, Admiral Nimitz, etc, etc....and all the men they commanded in WWII. Makes me wonder if the current generation would be up to making the same sort of sacrifices as they did in order to defend this country and the world. Sadly I think not. Too many of today's generation care for nothing more than their own safety and comfort. Even worse we have a growing minority of morons who think war for any reason is wrong and would let the world be overrun by madmen.

Yeah, we all suck now.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: Vadatajs

Originally posted by: shinerburke
I can't help but thank God that we had men like him, General MacArthur, Admiral Nimitz, etc, etc....and all the men they commanded in WWII. Makes me wonder if the current generation would be up to making the same sort of sacrifices as they did in order to defend this country and the world. Sadly I think not. Too many of today's generation care for nothing more than their own safety and comfort. Even worse we have a growing minority of morons who think war for any reason is wrong and would let the world be overrun by madmen.

Nice excuse for an attack on liberals. What ever makes that insane mind of yours happy

Did I attack liberals? If that's what you took it as then you are taking things way too personally. If anything it was an attack on the soft underbelly of this society. Spoiled kids, selfish parents, etc..... Yes I attacked morons who think war for any reason is wrong....if that includes liberals then so be it. I don't think it does though since many liberal Democrats supported recent military action in Iraq, Afghanistan, the Balkans, etc...

 

[Gaard]

Why do you say this Shiner?

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: shinerburke
I can't help but thank God that we had men like him, General MacArthur, Admiral Nimitz, etc, etc....and all the men they commanded in WWII. Makes me wonder if the current generation would be up to making the same sort of sacrifices as they did in order to defend this country and the world. Sadly I think not. Too many of today's generation care for nothing more than their own safety and comfort. Even worse we have a growing minority of morons who think war for any reason is wrong and would let the world be overrun by madmen.

Yeah, we all suck now.

I will never argue with you when it comes to the subject of you sucking.

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: shinerburke
I can't help but thank God that we had men like him, General MacArthur, Admiral Nimitz, etc, etc....and all the men they commanded in WWII. Makes me wonder if the current generation would be up to making the same sort of sacrifices as they did in order to defend this country and the world. Sadly I think not. Too many of today's generation care for nothing more than their own safety and comfort. Even worse we have a growing minority of morons who think war for any reason is wrong and would let the world be overrun by madmen.

Yeah, we all suck now.

I will never argue with you when it comes to the subject of you sucking.

Yes, all of us suck Shiner, except of course you and all who think just like you. Wouldn't this country be so much better if everyone agreed with your views and everyone else who didn't were asked to leave?

 

[tnitsuj]

You do realize Patton was bordering on if not actually suffering from mental illness right? And MacArthur was lucky he wasn't charged with insubordination or worse treason for his actions in Korea.

Neither of those two men would have come any where near a theatre command in the modern military and thier are damn good reasons for that. If thier sort of thinking had been allowed to continue we would all be dead by now.

 

[tnitsuj]

Are you denying the fact that we currently have the most capable, best trained, best equipped, most professional military in our history..or in the history of the world for that matter?


Or are you so stuck up into your longing for the halcyon days of yore where men were men and everyone else knew thier place that you can't see that?

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Are you denying the fact that we currently have the most capable, best trained, best equipped, most professional military in our history..or in the history of the world for that matter?


Or are you so stuck up into your longing for the halcyon days of yore where men were men and everyone else knew thier place that you can't see that?

Did you read my second post in this thread? Give that a try before you ask questions like the above....

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
You do realize Patton was bordering on if not actually suffering from mental illness right? And MacArthur was lucky he wasn't charged with insubordination or worse treason for his actions in Korea.

Neither of those two men would have come any where near a theatre command in the modern military and thier are damn good reasons for that. If thier sort of thinking had been allowed to continue we would all be dead by now.

Patton mentally ill? Well....he did suffer from Dyslexia but mental illness....no. The Generals of that time were cut from a different cloth than those we have now are. Both are great in their own times, but reverse either of their positions and they would fail. Put most of today's military leaders back in WWII and they would fare no better than Patton or Mc in modern times. If Patton, MacArthur, etc's way of thinking hadn't happened in the past we'd all be speaking German right now.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: Gaard
Why do you say this Shiner?

The thought just popped into my head while I was listening to the soundtrack

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Originally posted by: shinerburke
I can't help but thank God that we had men like him, General MacArthur, Admiral Nimitz, etc, etc....and all the men they commanded in WWII. Makes me wonder if the current generation would be up to making the same sort of sacrifices as they did in order to defend this country and the world. Sadly I think not. Too many of today's generation care for nothing more than their own safety and comfort. Even worse we have a growing minority of morons who think war for any reason is wrong and would let the world be overrun by madmen.

Yeah, we all suck now.

I will never argue with you when it comes to the subject of you sucking.

Yes, all of us suck Shiner, except of course you and all who think just like you. Wouldn't this country be so much better if everyone agreed with your views and everyone else who didn't were asked to leave?

You're just a weeeeee bit too touchy. Forget your medication today?

 

[tnitsuj]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
You do realize Patton was bordering on if not actually suffering from mental illness right? And MacArthur was lucky he wasn't charged with insubordination or worse treason for his actions in Korea.

Neither of those two men would have come any where near a theatre command in the modern military and thier are damn good reasons for that. If thier sort of thinking had been allowed to continue we would all be dead by now.

Patton mentally ill? Well....he did suffer from Dyslexia but mental illness....no. The Generals of that time were cut from a different cloth than those we have now are. Both are great in their own times, but reverse either of their positions and they would fail. Put most of today's military leaders back in WWII and they would fare no better than Patton or Mc in modern times.

I would tend to disagree with your contention regarding reversing our military leaders with those of the past..but that is a moot point and subject to ones own opinion.

George S. Patton sufferred from clinical depression and obessive compulsive disorder. Thier is a great biography of him that describes it in better detail that I will look up and post for you.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: tnitsuj

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
You do realize Patton was bordering on if not actually suffering from mental illness right? And MacArthur was lucky he wasn't charged with insubordination or worse treason for his actions in Korea.

Neither of those two men would have come any where near a theatre command in the modern military and thier are damn good reasons for that. If thier sort of thinking had been allowed to continue we would all be dead by now.

Patton mentally ill? Well....he did suffer from Dyslexia but mental illness....no. The Generals of that time were cut from a different cloth than those we have now are. Both are great in their own times, but reverse either of their positions and they would fail. Put most of today's military leaders back in WWII and they would fare no better than Patton or Mc in modern times.

I would tend to disagree with your contention regarding reversing our military leaders with those of the past..but that is a moot point and subject to ones own opinion.

George S. Patton sufferred from clinical depression and obessive compulsive disorder. Thier is a great biography of him that describes it in better detail that I will look up and post for you.

If there's a biography on him I've read it...just Finished Patton: A Genius for War

Gotta go for now.....have to see the GF in some damn community theater production....be back later....

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
You do realize Patton was bordering on if not actually suffering from mental illness right?

Has this allegation ever been conclusively proven? If so, by whom and how authoritative are they? Patton was a romantic during a different time and place than now.

And MacArthur was lucky he wasn't charged with insubordination or worse treason for his actions in Korea.

Luck had little to do with it. MacArthur was too aggressive at the age of 71 for Truman. There was no treason involved. MacArthur's primary focus was winning the war, not containing communism. After his record in WWII, there was no way they would charge MacArthur. Truman caught hell for relieving him even though it was the right decision.

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Neither of those two men would have come any where near a theatre command in the modern military and thier are damn good reasons for that.

Maybe, maybe not. At any rate, both men paved the way for the modern military.

 

[Insane3D]

You're just a weeeeee bit too touchy. Forget your medication today?

Nah, not testy at all. Your post has nothing to do with politics or news, and is simply a thread to attract attention. I responded with sarcasm, as did you. You seem to be trying to say if WW2 happened now, we would lose because you don't have any faith in your fellow americans and that we would do nothing. You then went on about there being more and more "morons", as you put it, that would not bother to fight if this country was threatend. Basically, you posted a bunch of crap based on your overly simplified views, and I thought it was a bit comical. If anything, you made me chuckle...

 

[UltraQuiet]

Even worse we have a growing minority of morons who think war for any reason is wrong and would let the world be overrun by madmen.

The reaction of this countries youth after 9/11 would tend to validate your statement. There was only a slight increase in the number of inquiries at recruiting offices and no increase in actual enlistments.

Thankfully some people realized what needed to be done and first term reenlistments went up by some 50%.

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Even worse we have a growing minority of morons who think war for any reason is wrong and would let the world be overrun by madmen.

The reaction of this countries youth after 9/11 would tend to validate your statement. There was only a slight increase in the number of inquiries at recruiting offices and no increase in actual enlistments.

Thankfully some people realized what needed to be done and first term reenlistments went up by some 50%.

Maybe that had something to do with the fact that we weren't attacked in a traditional way by a hostile country.

 

[bigdog1218]

Even worse we have a growing minority of morons who think war for any reason is wrong and would let the world be overrun by madmen

HAHA, this is good stuff. Of course there is nothing wrong with finding biological and chemical weapons, nothing at all. And I tried to stop the world being overrun by madmen when i didn't vote for Bush.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: shinerburke
I can't help but thank God that we had men like him, General MacArthur, Admiral Nimitz, etc, etc....and all the men they commanded in WWII. Makes me wonder if the current generation would be up to making the same sort of sacrifices as they did in order to defend this country and the world. Sadly I think not. Too many of today's generation care for nothing more than their own safety and comfort. Even worse we have a growing minority of morons who think war for any reason is wrong and would let the world be overrun by madmen.

Fortunately, we haven't had a threat of the magnitude of a Hitler. Not even close, certainly not enough of one to go to war.