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As Heroin Use by Whites Soars, Parents Urge Gentler Drug War

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A Brief History of the Drug War


New York Times just discovered this?

Wonder how long it will take them to discover that legal drugs kill far more people than illegal ones...

Uno

but drug dealers don't have teams of lawyers and lobbyists and now that the tpp has passed an international court that can sue countries for lost profits.

so there.
 
NO..no they don't. IF you need it sure you will get it. that's not the real problem. It's those that NEED it monthly that are the ones suffering.

If you break a leg you are going to get it. IF you have chronic pain and need it monthly you have to jump through hoops to get it. Even then many doctors are cutting way back. not that they want to mind you. it's the DEA is hitting doctors and pharmacist on it.

So now that its harder to get pain pills many people who need them are turning to illegal drugs.

Wait so these kids that have heroin problems have chronic pain?
While I am fortunate not to have chronic pain I do feel its time to evaluate the benefit of these pain meds is worth the increase in heroin use. Again I find it strange that heroin use was all but eliminated then new pain meds became available that were supposed to be non habbit forming then heroin use takes off around the same time.
 
Wait so these kids that have heroin problems have chronic pain?
While I am fortunate not to have chronic pain I do feel its time to evaluate the benefit of these pain meds is worth the increase in heroin use. Again I find it strange that heroin use was all but eliminated then new pain meds became available that were supposed to be non habbit forming then heroin use takes off around the same time.

where did i say all?

What i am saying from a standpoint of someone with chronic pain who gets on such forums/groups and goes to a pain doctor.

The ability to get pain meds is greatly reduced from years ago. The DEA has hit doctors and pharmacist. It's to the point one of the largest pharmicies in the world is actively refusing to give pain meds walgreens
to many.

The dea rescheduled it to a schedule 2. that made it hard for patients to get what they need. From a visit to the pain clinic for EVERY prescription. The dea even tried to pass restrictions where you are limited to 2 pills a day. for many this won't allow them to do squat.

So many are going to illegal sources to get pain relief. Heroin is a cheap relief that people will use to be pain free for a while.


So the increase of heroin is not at all shocking considering how Narco has been treated in the last few years.
 
where did i say all?

What i am saying from a standpoint of someone with chronic pain who gets on such forums/groups and goes to a pain doctor.

The ability to get pain meds is greatly reduced from years ago. The DEA has hit doctors and pharmacist. It's to the point one of the largest pharmicies in the world is actively refusing to give pain meds walgreens
to many.

The dea rescheduled it to a schedule 2. that made it hard for patients to get what they need. From a visit to the pain clinic for EVERY prescription. The dea even tried to pass restrictions where you are limited to 2 pills a day. for many this won't allow them to do squat.

So many are going to illegal sources to get pain relief. Heroin is a cheap relief that people will use to be pain free for a while.


So the increase of heroin is not at all shocking considering how Narco has been treated in the last few years.

I apologize, I misunderstood.
 
The dea rescheduled it to a schedule 2. that made it hard for patients to get what they need. From a visit to the pain clinic for EVERY prescription. The dea even tried to pass restrictions where you are limited to 2 pills a day. for many this won't allow them to do squat.
It's definitely fucked up. I have a friend who couldn't get painkillers when his hand was broken. It was so swollen that it didn't even look real.
 
Banned? No. Your doctor just needs to write a scrip for you every month, they can't be prescribed for several months at a time like they were before.

The War On Doctors: How The DEA is Scaring Doctors from Prescribing Pain Medications

When Is a Pain Doctor a Drug Pusher?
When McIver was closed down, Ben was lucky enough to have a family physician he knew well who took over his case. But the new doctor took a very different approach. Ben now gets three 80-milligram pills of OxyContin a day, plus some breakthrough Roxicodone and 800 milligrams of Advil every four to six hours. “That’s it and I’m very, very lucky to have it,” he said. “My doctor is afraid they will say it’s over the limit. I now get about three hours’ sleep a night. I can stand for 30 minutes, maybe.” He can no longer handle ranching and has sold his cattle. He considers himself retired.

With Ben’s permission I talked to his current doctor, who said Ben was a good patient but had been taking way too much. “I thought Ben made an error,” he said. “He had been taking five or six times the recommended dosage. There are well-recognized levels, and you don’t step across the line. You may have to live with some pain.”

Opioids have immense power — both to harm and to heal. They can be life-destroying, but high doses allowed Ben to work, to be with his family, to be who he is. In its prosecutions of pain doctors, the government fails to recognize the duality of these drugs. Ben’s wife told me: “When Ben first went to Dr. McIver and filled out the form on what he used to be able to do and what he could do now, he cried. McIver said to him, ‘I’m going to get you back to doing what you used to do.’ And he did.”
 
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NO..no they don't. IF you need it sure you will get it. that's not the real problem. It's those that NEED it monthly that are the ones suffering.

If you break a leg you are going to get it. IF you have chronic pain and need it monthly you have to jump through hoops to get it. Even then many doctors are cutting way back. not that they want to mind you. it's the DEA is hitting doctors and pharmacist on it.

So now that its harder to get pain pills many people who need them are turning to illegal drugs.

People find ways to exploit ANYTHING that you deem they can't get. Guaranteed.

Fat asses looking for Handicap stickers? That's all I see in Handicap spots now.

Food stamps go down, rise in approved SS Disability.

The same can be done with prescription drugs from the thousands of local doctors.
 
If you take drugs you become a Hippy. If you become one of those you will not go die in some psychopath's war. You won't work for nothing at meaningless low paying jobs. You will demonstrate and cause political upheaval. You will cause stress for the ruling class. Drugs must never be legal. Billions must be spent to ridicule Hippies. You will be trained to find them disgusting and that will be an easy task as they will be the most damaged by our elitist system and manifest all sorts of unhealthy mental symptoms. like not taking baths and eating from garbage cans, and of course, nonsensical thinking. Drugs are a threat to societal training and its holy functioning.
 
If you take drugs you become a Hippy. If you become one of those you will not go die in some psychopath's war. You won't work for nothing at meaningless low paying jobs. You will demonstrate and cause political upheaval. You will cause stress for the ruling class. Drugs must never be legal. Billions must be spent to ridicule Hippies. You will be trained to find them disgusting and that will be an easy task as they will be the most damaged by our elitist system and manifest all sorts of unhealthy mental symptoms. like not taking baths and eating from garbage cans, and of course, nonsensical thinking. Drugs are a threat to societal training and its holy functioning.

WTF are you talking about? Are you trying to imply casual heroin usage is common and its not addictive?
 
WTF are you talking about? Are you trying to imply casual heroin usage is common and its not addictive?

He does not imply, you imply with your preconceived notions that manifest from your ego as your id tries to make sense of it all it is common to lash out in anger at the messenger and not the one at fault, which is you as a result of all your self hatred common in all persons except those that are self actualized like me.

Just kidding I literally don't even.
 
He does not imply, you imply with your preconceived notions that manifest from your ego as your id tries to make sense of it all it is common to lash out in anger at the messenger and not the one at fault, which is you as a result of all your self hatred common in all persons except those that are self actualized like me.

Just kidding I literally don't even.

Haha I was second guessing myself.
 
^^^that's sad I'm sorry for you. How come nobody speaks about how Oxytocin brought heroin back

Oxytocin is a natural hormone in the body responsible for making connections with other individuals. OxyContin is the pain killer drug that you're referring to. It has similar effects to heroin, but one nasty side-effect upon withdrawal that makes heroin usage all but inevitable if the drug is taken for too long; severe, agonizing leg/hip pain that only the strongest, and thus, most dangerous pain killers can combat (like morphine, which is what your body converts heroin into). You can read stories of individuals who have taken this drug for too long and they'll tell you the same thing.

The grip the drug has on people is incredibly powerful once they get to the abuse stage. The withdraw effects are agonizing, long term, and very severe. Heroin literally numbs you, which makes using it while suffering from these symptoms very attractive, but it is obviously NOT the solution. And on top of that, the drug seems to have a very powerful positive feedback mechanism where once the leg/hip pains start, they want even more OxyContin pain killers which further add to the problem.
 
More and more people will turn to drugs in America because we have created an American dream that is no longer worth living. Even the Republicans have left for Never Never Land
 
Kids should know (and do know) Heroin is crazy bad.

-John

Actually, heroin isn't that bad on the body. The only major issue is dependence and the ease of overdose. One can be a long term, functioning heroin addict with little real impact to the body, so long as they keep their dosage regular and consistent. The real issue is that most street heroin is around 5-7% pure, with the rest as a cutting agent. And if you're used to some 5% and unknowingly get something that is 15% pure, you can take 3 times your normal dosage without trying.


This entire thing is sort of a race issue, as there has been a prescription medication abuse epidemic for awhile, but since they are legal and don't really promote much organized crime (in comparison to other hard drugs) in white communities, and it is largely ignored. Stealing your parents prescriptions drugs isn't really causing gang wars. With the tightened regulations on opiates though, as pointed out before, the increase for it to be cheaper to obtain heroin on the street, it is leading more pill poppers to simply swap drugs. And, as this happens, the organized crime element is more than willing to fill the supply gap, bringing that element into these new markets.
 
but drug dealers don't have teams of lawyers and lobbyists and now that the tpp has passed an international court that can sue countries for lost profits.

so there.


Don't know about the teams of lawyers. Don't know about the lobbyists either. Though, the ones that lobby for the illegal drug dealers probably don't register as lobbyists...

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At least the legal drug dealers publish their gross sales...

Uno
 
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240mg /day of TR oxycodone, plus whatever IR oxy he's taking (the article didn't say how much), is... shocking 😱 Either he's lying or his family is, because that doesn't sound like a person who wants to be functional, that's someone who wants to go through life entirely numb. I live with chronic pain, acute RA and FMS, and can't imagine being on that much medication. He must live in a constant haze.
 
240mg /day of TR oxycodone, plus whatever IR oxy he's taking (the article didn't say how much), is... shocking 😱 Either he's lying or his family is, because that doesn't sound like a person who wants to be functional, that's someone who wants to go through life entirely numb. I live with chronic pain, acute RA and FMS, and can't imagine being on that much medication. He must live in a constant haze.

You adapt. Opiates are like that. You can take what would otherwise be a fatal dose everyday to someone who is opiate naive.
 
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240mg /day of TR oxycodone, plus whatever IR oxy he's taking (the article didn't say how much), is... shocking 😱 Either he's lying or his family is, because that doesn't sound like a person who wants to be functional, that's someone who wants to go through life entirely numb. I live with chronic pain, acute RA and FMS, and can't imagine being on that much medication. He must live in a constant haze.

The problem is, you build up a tolerance and must continue to increase dosage. Your body adapts and you can take al to more than someone who is a first time user.

A big issue with doctors prescribing opiates is they can't (or won't) make the patients understand there it is for pain management, not pain elimination.
 

Interesting article. I googled the doctor and found this:

http://legaltimes.typepad.com/blt/2...ted-doctor-in-south-carolina-to-be-freed.html

His sentence was vacated in 2010. My guess is that the NYT article may have had something to do with it. Unfortunately for him, he was already on his death bed from cancer. At least he didn't die in prison.
 
You adapt. Opiates are like that. You can take what would otherwise be a fatal dose everyday to someone who is opiate naive.

The problem is, you build up a tolerance and must continue to increase dosage. Your body adapts and you can take al to more than someone who is a first time user.

A big issue with doctors prescribing opiates is they can't (or won't) make the patients understand there it is for pain management, not pain elimination.

I do understand increases in tolerances, we've had to increase mine over several years, from 30mg (10mg x 3) Lortab /day, back when I started PM, to my current regimen, 50mg (10mg x 5) Perco /day. For me even that feels a little excessive sometimes, and on better days I only take 3 or 4. The sheer volume the guy in the article takes blows my mind. Yeah, I think you're right, he's tried to go pain-free instead of managing it and that doctor has done him no favors in the long run. Can you imagine the withdrawl he'd suffer if he had to miss just 1 day of meds, not counting the pain on top of it? Fuuuckiiing hell. 😵
 
Chronic pain can be a real life-killer for some people. I've had a taste of it and have a great deal of sympathy for those who can't seem to find a way to manage it.
 
The insane rise in heroin use, and the doubling (or more) in a ton of areas of fatal OD's, is due directly to the government cracking down on much safer pharmaceuticals. Not only did they fuck over the truly sick and dying people but they pushed people to shit with absolutely zero quality control and it's even more addictive.

Hospital costs from heroin OD's has skyrocketed, OD's have skyrocketed and people who were already hooked on opiates are even more hooked now and have an absurdly lower statistical chance of permanently getting clean. So, umm, good job .gov? Hellofa job you did there!
 
As far as I can tell they still give out Oxy and Hydro like candy. So I doubt you'll have any trouble getting it if needed. At the beginning of the year my mom had her hip replaced, when I brought her home from the hospital I dropped off her Rx for Oxy, when I went back to get it they just gave it to me, I just had to show them her ID.

Except it's a different formulation that according to a ton of dying cancer patients doesn't work nearly as well but it prevents "abuse" and doctors don't want to write it nearly as much because the Feds might come crashing down on your ass and in most places you have to jump through all kinds of hoops if you are dying and happen to survive another month and need more.

Bottom line, they severely cut off the supply of pharmaceutical pain killers and everyone knew that people couldn't/wouldn't just quit cold turkey and would turn to the only plausible substitute which is heroin. With pharmaceuticals people knew exactly what dosage they were getting and exactly how much they needed to take. Now the same people are noobs to the heroin game and you never know how strong this batch is compared to the last one and people are ODing like crazy.

So we haven't actually stopped people from taking drugs or cured any drug addicts, we simply pushed them from a drug that they could reliably dose themselves with and pushed them to a different drug that is more addictive and you have no idea how much to take.

The only thing that we accomplished was fucking with sick people and pushing junkies onto an even more addictive drug that are far more likely to (and have been) clogging up our hospitals/dying. Who here thinks that is a good use of their tax dollars and their medical insurance going up? You don't really expect the junkies are paying their hospital tab do you?
 
WTF are you talking about? Are you trying to imply casual heroin usage is common and its not addictive?
C'mon, obviously that was a brilliant illustration of the horrors of drug use.

Oxytocin is a natural hormone in the body responsible for making connections with other individuals. OxyContin is the pain killer drug that you're referring to. It has similar effects to heroin, but one nasty side-effect upon withdrawal that makes heroin usage all but inevitable if the drug is taken for too long; severe, agonizing leg/hip pain that only the strongest, and thus, most dangerous pain killers can combat (like morphine, which is what your body converts heroin into). You can read stories of individuals who have taken this drug for too long and they'll tell you the same thing.

The grip the drug has on people is incredibly powerful once they get to the abuse stage. The withdraw effects are agonizing, long term, and very severe. Heroin literally numbs you, which makes using it while suffering from these symptoms very attractive, but it is obviously NOT the solution. And on top of that, the drug seems to have a very powerful positive feedback mechanism where once the leg/hip pains start, they want even more OxyContin pain killers which further add to the problem.
Did not know that; although I do know some people who had extremely difficult times stopping OxyContin after the need had passed, I did not know that specific mechanism. Does this pain come with withdrawal, or with time even if you continue taking it? If the latter, sounds like OxyContin is suitable only for people with severe pain and only short term survival prospects.

240mg /day of TR oxycodone, plus whatever IR oxy he's taking (the article didn't say how much), is... shocking 😱 Either he's lying or his family is, because that doesn't sound like a person who wants to be functional, that's someone who wants to go through life entirely numb. I live with chronic pain, acute RA and FMS, and can't imagine being on that much medication. He must live in a constant haze.
Some people have very low tolerance for pain, some people have legitimately extremely pain, and some people poorly metabolize certain drugs which require very high doses to be effective. (And, yes, some people enjoy living in a haze.)

And lest I forget, congrats to the OP for taking yet another ride on the racist train before we all have to transfer to the sexist train.
 
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