As Bush prepares to leave office...

[m1ldslide1]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Topic Title: As Bush prepares to leave office...

Make sure to strap tracking devices around his ankle and those of his his gang of criminals so we know where to find them when they're charged, tried and convicted for treason, murder and torture and other war crimes and crimes agaist humanity.

Once they're convicted we can use them to track their movements around guantanamo and feed the show live to youtube. Maybe, someone will make a better game of the video than the ones where he's ducking flying shoes.

Apparently you live in that magic fantasy land where politicians are actually held accountable for their murderous actions. That land is not the USA, I'm sorry to say, unless your "crime" involves cigars and bathroom stalls.

Remember: violence = ok, boobies = evil to the majority of your pathetic countrymen.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Topic Title: As Bush prepares to leave office...

Make sure to strap tracking devices around his ankle and those of his his gang of criminals so we know where to find them when they're charged, tried and convicted for treason, murder and torture and other war crimes and crimes agaist humanity.

Once they're convicted we can use them to track their movements around guantanamo and feed the show live to youtube. Maybe, someone will make a better game of the video than the ones where he's ducking flying shoes.

Would you support torturing the Bush Administration?

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Bush also cited his "disappointment" with the revelations of abuses at the Abu Graib detention camp in Iraq and in never turning up weapons of mass destruction in the country.

That's a crock of shit. July of 2006 or 2007, a document was declassified revealing what we found. Somebody even linked the .gov here on these forums. I was :Q when I saw that. Something like 150,000 WMD's, just not nukes. We have those on satelite photos being carted out the back of nuke development facilities on trucks while the UN inspectors arrived at the front of the building. :roll:

You're joking, right?

He's probably referring to the sarin gas we sold Saddam in the 80's.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Nobody knows how he will be viewed in 50 years because nobody knows how Iraq and Afghanistan will turn out. Truman was considered a horrible president when he left office. But now after 50 years people can objectively look at his policies and say he was a decent strong president.

In 50 years I have a feeling whatever Bush did economically will look like childs play considering what is looming on the horizon.

I'm sure they'll turn into fun paradises where millions of Americans will go vacation over holidays :roll:

Afghanistan will be a 3rd world country and Iraq will be about the same with slightly more GDP/capita

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Topic Title: As Bush prepares to leave office...

Make sure to strap tracking devices around his ankle and those of his his gang of criminals so we know where to find them when they're charged, tried and convicted for treason, murder and torture and other war crimes and crimes agaist humanity.

Once they're convicted we can use them to track their movements around guantanamo and feed the show live to youtube. Maybe, someone will make a better game of the video than the ones where he's ducking flying shoes.

Would you support torturing the Bush Administration?

No, of course not. I want to see all of them given free lifetime vacations at the beautiful downtown Guantanamo Hilton with daily passes for the exciting waterboard ride.

That isn't torture. They said so, themselves, and we can believe them... right? :Q

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Bush is no where near the worst President ever, not even close.

When all is said and done expect him to be in the lower third just about Jimmy Carter.

The long term outcome of Iraq could easily move him up or down the list as well.

Bush should be rated #50 on the president ranking list.

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: Lemon law

Originally posted by: Insomniator
He'll be a hero in 50 years.

Almost impossible to prove without waiting 50 years, but my guess, he will be regarded as even a bigger idiot and set the gold standard for the worst President in US history.

Any GWB apologies are far too little far too late. But if you want a real rascal, Cheney is still proudly defiant.

And IMHO, GWB's best hope for redemption may be to regarded as choosing the wrong set of advisers, who like Grant's advisers cleverly looted the country while
Grant remained clueless and not bestirred to reining them in. The same might be said of Harding.

Defiant of what. Unlike Bush, he knew what was what. Cheney and his Haliburton and Blackwater buddies have mission accomplished on their bank statements after the billions wasted on the war on terror.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Bush also cited his "disappointment" with the revelations of abuses at the Abu Graib detention camp in Iraq and in never turning up weapons of mass destruction in the country.

That's a crock of shit. July of 2006 or 2007, a document was declassified revealing what we found. Somebody even linked the .gov here on these forums. I was :Q when I saw that. Something like 150,000 WMD's, just not nukes. We have those on satelite photos being carted out the back of nuke development facilities on trucks while the UN inspectors arrived at the front of the building. :roll:

You're joking, right?

He's probably referring to the sarin gas we sold Saddam in the 80's.

And white phosphorus and other crap, yes.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Topic Title: As Bush prepares to leave office...

Make sure to strap tracking devices around his ankle and those of his his gang of criminals so we know where to find them when they're charged, tried and convicted for treason, murder and torture and other war crimes and crimes agaist humanity.

Once they're convicted we can use them to track their movements around guantanamo and feed the show live to youtube. Maybe, someone will make a better game of the video than the ones where he's ducking flying shoes.

Would you support torturing the Bush Administration?

No, of course not. I want to see all of them given free lifetime vacations at the beautiful downtown Guantanamo Hilton with daily passes for the exciting waterboard ride.

That isn't torture. They said so, themselves, and we can believe them... right? :Q

Ok, I got you. You support torture for those you disagree with.. You are just as evil a person as you claim Bush is.. you just lack the power to implement your evil.

 

[DealMonkey]

Just like in AA (which I'm sure Bush is *ahem* passingly familiar with), you first admit you have a problem. Next up, perhaps he'll apologize to everyone for being such an ass-tard?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Bush also cited his "disappointment" with the revelations of abuses at the Abu Graib detention camp in Iraq and in never turning up weapons of mass destruction in the country.

That's a crock of shit. July of 2006 or 2007, a document was declassified revealing what we found. Somebody even linked the .gov here on these forums. I was :Q when I saw that. Something like 150,000 WMD's, just not nukes. We have those on satelite photos being carted out the back of nuke development facilities on trucks while the UN inspectors arrived at the front of the building. :roll:

You're joking, right?

He's probably referring to the sarin gas we sold Saddam in the 80's.

And white phosphorus and other crap, yes.

Oh no, I'm getting the feeling you weren't joking. Just in case you didn't get the memo: There were no WMDs in Iraq.

 

[Lemon law]

Let me issue, as a partisan dem, at least one compliment to an outgoing GWB. No doubt about it folks, GWB is doing many good things to smooth the way for the Obama transition.

Lets call a spade a spade there and admit that is a redeeming factor for GWB as a person.

 

[colonel]

the worst President ever, I can't forget his picture on the air force one during Katrina storm. I m so glad to see him and Dick going to hide somewhere in Texas.

 

[First]

Definitely one of the worst in history, and definitely worse than Carter since Carter never got us into a $2T war and economic collapse of epic proportions. Carter was a poor POTUS, but had nothing to do with OPEC price gouging.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Bush also cited his "disappointment" with the revelations of abuses at the Abu Graib detention camp in Iraq and in never turning up weapons of mass destruction in the country.

That's a crock of shit. July of 2006 or 2007, a document was declassified revealing what we found. Somebody even linked the .gov here on these forums. I was :Q when I saw that. Something like 150,000 WMD's, just not nukes. We have those on satelite photos being carted out the back of nuke development facilities on trucks while the UN inspectors arrived at the front of the building. :roll:

You're joking, right?

He's probably referring to the sarin gas we sold Saddam in the 80's.

And white phosphorus and other crap, yes.

Don't forget the rams bladder cups

BTW, we used WP in Iraq. It's nasty stuff, but it's nothing to go to war about. We'd have to bomb ourselves and Russia and several other nations as well if that were the case.

 

[microbial]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Bush is no where near the worst President ever, not even close.

When all is said and done expect him to be in the lower third just about Jimmy Carter.

The long term outcome of Iraq could easily move him up or down the list as well.

History is already being written:

http://hnn.us/articles/48916.html

Asked to rank the presidency of George W. Bush in comparison to those of the other 41 American presidents, more than 61 percent of the historians concluded that the current presidency is the worst in the nation?s history. Another 35 percent of the historians surveyed rated the Bush presidency in the 31st to 41st category, while only four of the 109 respondents ranked the current presidency as even among the top two-thirds of American administrations.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...1/AR2006120101509.html

Historians are loath to predict the future. It is impossible to say with certainty how Bush will be ranked in, say, 2050. But somehow, in his first six years in office he has managed to combine the lapses of leadership, misguided policies and abuse of power of his failed predecessors. I think there is no alternative but to rank him as the worst president in U.S. history.

Etc., etc. Too, too many to post.

 

[0marTheZealot]

Once Bush leaves office, the real dirt will come out about his administration. Already we've had his former press secretary basically tell us he had to lie/spin the truth numerous times. It's a systematic corruption starting with Bush. His entire administration was rotten from the top down. His ONE claim to fame was that there was no terrorist attacks on US soil after 9-11. Other than that, I can't think of many things the Administration has done.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
Once Bush leaves office, the real dirt will come out about his administration. Already we've had his former press secretary basically tell us he had to lie/spin the truth numerous times. It's a systematic corruption starting with Bush. His entire administration was rotten from the top down. His ONE claim to fame was that there was no terrorist attacks on US soil after 9-11. Other than that, I can't think of many things the Administration has done.

Thats a pretty big accomplishment though I think.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
Once Bush leaves office, the real dirt will come out about his administration. Already we've had his former press secretary basically tell us he had to lie/spin the truth numerous times. It's a systematic corruption starting with Bush. His entire administration was rotten from the top down. His ONE claim to fame was that there was no terrorist attacks on US soil after 9-11. Other than that, I can't think of many things the Administration has done.

Thats a pretty big accomplishment though I think.

I think so too, but of course there are those who say they out a rock painted purple on their front lawn to keep dragons away, and they havent seen a dragon....

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Much as I think President Bush has been among our country's worst, I actually respect that he is FINALLY willing to concede having made some mistakes. It suggests he is a redeemable person, and God knows there have been moments I've questioned whether that was the case.

 

[SickBeast]

The one thing Bush said in that statement that really rubbed me the wrong way was when he talked about how the negative public opinion and all of the negative stuff in the media did not affect him, did not influence his decisions or policy in any way, and basically he didn't care. To me that was him saying that he doesn't give a rat's ass about the American people who voted him in with a mandate. He just did whatever he felt like doing.

Bush is bar-none the worst president of all time. 9/11, Iraq, and this economic meltdown all occurred under his watch.

 

[HannibalX]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
He probably should have passed on the pretzel as well. Of all recent Presidents, he has the most that he ought to regret. So many have died for so little, yet he won't see that as a negative.

LOLLOLOLOLOL

 

[outriding]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Bush is no where near the worst President ever, not even close.

When all is said and done expect him to be in the lower third just about Jimmy Carter.

The long term outcome of Iraq could easily move him up or down the list as well.

That sounds about right. He's the worst in a while though. I think Carter gets a bit of a bad rap for things that were outside of his control, he inherited a shit economy, and Iran taking hostages was not his personal doing. Granted, he didn't do a great job, but during '76-'80 I don't think even Eisenhower or JFK would have done much better, and I think they're two of our finest.

Reagan inherited the same shit economy and completely turned it around in 2 years.

Carter lacked the leadership skills to do the same thing, just as Bush lacks certain leadership skills as well. Neither Carter or Bush are very good at motivating the masses.

Then why did Reagan keep Volcker and Chairman of the Fed and continue with the policies that Carter had started?

 

[outriding]

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
Much as I think President Bush has been among our country's worst, I actually respect that he is FINALLY willing to concede having made some mistakes. It suggests he is a redeemable person, and God knows there have been moments I've questioned whether that was the case.

People see the clearest right before the end.

 

[Deadtrees]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
I know all of you live in this fantasy land where you can make decisions in 100% 20/20 hindsight.. but it doesn't work that way in real life. As President you have to make tough decisions based on the information you have. Once you decide to invade a country you can't just decide to pull out overnight. Most congressman made the same mistakes a Bush did. I know most of you would just sit in the oval office and pass the joint around and hope for world peace.. but the world doesn't work that way.

Obama will make TONS of mistakes as well, and he likely won't admit them either until the very end, if even then. He will also likely make decisions that will cost the lives of 100's if not thousands of U.S. troops as well during his 4-8 years as President. People will likely do stupid things under his command as well (Abu Graib).

We'll see over the next 4 years if Obama is the Great Messiah everyone thinks he is. I think he will find that actually having to make decisions will be a lot more difficult than voting present and writing memoirs. Lets see if he is actually up to the challenge to lead and not just give speeches that make women faint. I doubt Iran is going to faint when he talks to them about giving up their nuclear program.

Totally wrong. It's not like he had no choice but to screw up. Before he made and while he was making decisions, there were tons of alarms asking him to be more thoughtful. Some of his mistakes were, IMHO, honest mistakes but so damn many mistakes were based on ignorance and stupidity. Last time I checked, in reality, those who make terrible 'mistakes' are to be prosecuted. I believe Mr. Bush should face the same deal.

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
Much as I think President Bush has been among our country's worst, I actually respect that he is FINALLY willing to concede having made some mistakes. It suggests he is a redeemable person, and God knows there have been moments I've questioned whether that was the case.

Redeemable person. That sounds all good....for him. What about those who suffered and suffers because of his actions before he became redeemable?
What makes me sick is when those criminals find Jesus or such thinking that they're all forgiven and shit. If you fuck up and bring misery on someone, you should suffer the conscience.

All in together, I think we should have that Samurai duty: If you fuck up major time, you don't just say you regret your being fucked up. You don't find some superficial force making you think you're all forgiven. You cut yourself, take guts out and the only forgiveness is when someone chop your head off.