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Artists face jail time if they don't support same-sex weddings

madoka

madoka

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Ever since liberals decided that sexual orientation trumps religion and everything else, stuff like this is going to happen.

http://dailysignal.com/2016/05/16/p...th-jail-time-if-they-dont-serve-gay-weddings/

A lawsuit filed in Arizona claims a city ordinance forces local artists to use their talents to promote same-sex weddings and does not allow them to express freely their belief that marriage is between one man and one woman.

Alliance Defending Freedom, a conservative, Christian legal organization, filed a pre-enforcement challenge to Phoenix’s city code May 12 for Breanna Koski and Joanna Duka, owners of Brush & Nib Studio based in Phoenix, Ariz.

Koski and Duka, who want to honor God through their art and business, specialize in hand painting, hand lettering, and calligraphy for events, like weddings.

Phoenix law “strips artists of their freedom to choose what to create and what to say in the marriage context,” the complaint against the city says. If Koski and Duke were to turn down creating art to celebrate a same-sex marriage, the city could fine them up to $2,500 for each day they violate the law and make them spend six months in jail, since their studio creates art for opposite-sex wedding ceremonies, according to the complaint.
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If you have a business you cannot discriminate. It's that simple. These artists also cannot say "I won't sell to blacks or Jews".
If they are Christian they are in fact going against their own religion and insulting their savior if they refuse service. "Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me." Matthew 25:45
 
thraashman said:
If you have a business you cannot discriminate. It's that simple. These artists also cannot say "I won't sell to blacks or Jews".
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And that's bad because? There are several cafes in Spokane that won't serve white people. I'm pretty sure it's because the store is a front for Somali criminal activity, but they still have that right to refuse service.


Here's the modern social justice argument summed up in one picture:

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K1052 said:
Washington state law and the Civil Rights Act disagree.
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The state can pass a law prohibiting speech they don't like. That doesn't mean you don't have a right to speak as you wish, it simply means that right is being infringed.

The Somalis have a right to serve whoever they want to serve. The First Amendment speaks to this under 'Freedom of Assembly".

The commonality of law and jurisprudence allows for that right to be infringed in the name of perverse arguments about social engineering.

Myself, I will respect the rights of the Somalis to be racist shitstains by refusing to purchase any goods or services from racist Somali shitstains.

I suggest you do the same.

At the same time, ordering artists to create works of art that are expressive of personally held inspirations is to deny the fundamental precepts of artistic inspiration.

Should an artist who paints in the Hudson River School style of art be forced to produce a gay-friendly minimalist work just because a gay person demands it?

According to this bullshit line of reasoning they should.

Maybe I should be forced to stop speaking my opposition to militant GLBT nonsense that tries to make of them some sort of special group with the special legal right to abuse and bully people they don't like?

Sue me. Pass a law. Haul me before some civil rights star chamber with extra-constitutional powers to void my rights to due process and with the authority to deprive me of my inherent and natural rights.

I'm not sure how that will make the case that militant GLBT people are 'just like everyone else' when they can have people deprived of their rights.

Keep it up and there will be an eventual backlash. Reasonable GLBT folks oppose the militants for this very reason. You keep pissing off the majority of people and sooner or later that majority will find the collective will to strike back and that usually isn't all that reasonable when they do.

Go to a gay bakery if you want a gay wedding cake or etc.

By the way, I avoid businesses that identify as 'Christian' because they're almost always substandard enterprises that can't compete in the broader market so they specifically pander to those people who are willing to settle for a crappy cake at an absurd price just because the baker says they're 'Christian'.
 
Bart*Simpson said:
The state can pass a law prohibiting speech they don't like. That doesn't mean you don't have a right to speak as you wish, it simply means that right is being infringed.

The Somalis have a right to serve whoever they want to serve. The First Amendment speaks to this under 'Freedom of Assembly".

The commonality of law and jurisprudence allows for that right to be infringed in the name of perverse arguments about social engineering.

Myself, I will respect the rights of the Somalis to be racist shitstains by refusing to purchase any goods or services from racist Somali shitstains.

I suggest you do the same.

At the same time, ordering artists to create works of art that are expressive of personally held inspirations is to deny the fundamental precepts of artistic inspiration.

Should an artist who paints in the Hudson River School style of art be forced to produce a gay-friendly minimalist work just because a gay person demands it?

According to this bullshit line of reasoning they should.

Maybe I should be forced to stop speaking my opposition to militant GLBT nonsense that tries to make of them some sort of special group with the special legal right to abuse and bully people they don't like?

Sue me. Pass a law. Haul me before some civil rights star chamber with extra-constitutional powers to void my rights to due process and with the authority to deprive me of my inherent and natural rights.

I'm not sure how that will make the case that militant GLBT people are 'just like everyone else' when they can have people deprived of their rights.

Keep it up and there will be an eventual backlash. Reasonable GLBT folks oppose the militants for this very reason. You keep pissing off the majority of people and sooner or later that majority will find the collective will to strike back and that usually isn't all that reasonable when they do.

Go to a gay bakery if you want a gay wedding cake or etc.

By the way, I avoid businesses that identify as 'Christian' because they're almost always substandard enterprises that can't compete in the broader market so they specifically pander to those people who are willing to settle for a crappy cake at an absurd price just because the baker says they're 'Christian'.
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What a rambling pile of meaningless text. If you sell products or services as a licensed business you fall under the relevant public accommodation laws, it really is that simple. Nobody is compelled to open or run a business. If you elect to however you've got to abide by the same rules as everybody else.
 
What if I only paint Christian scenes. Can I be forced to paint a gay wedding? What about a satanic picture for someone? How about I only paint black people during the civil war. Can a white person force me to paint them in a civil war setting? Can you force an artist to paint anything you want?

Pretty sure forcing the artist to paint it isn't the best way to a quality painting. So, I probably would have just moved on to the next artist.
 
Bart*Simpson said:
The state can pass a law prohibiting speech they don't like. That doesn't mean you don't have a right to speak as you wish, it simply means that right is being infringed.

The Somalis have a right to serve whoever they want to serve. The First Amendment speaks to this under 'Freedom of Assembly".

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No, no it doesn't.

then some other stuff following the rest.
 
madoka said:
Ever since liberals decided that sexual orientation trumps religion and everything else, stuff like this is going to happen.
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Was that around the same time conservatives decided religious freedom doesn't apply to non-Christian religions?
 
thraashman said:
If they are Christian they are in fact going against their own religion and insulting their savior if they refuse service. "Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me." Matthew 25:45
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Man, atheists love just ripping words out of their context when it comes to the bible.
 
I don't mind people having their own opinions, even if it is stupid, but when it is disguised as an interpretation of the law or of the Constitution (like post 7 above) I feel compelled to point out it is BS. If that actually the way the Constitution was interpreted we'd still have colored drinking faucets throughout the South. You may believe that but please don't try to pass it off as the truth.
 
thraashman said:
If you have a business you cannot discriminate. It's that simple. These artists also cannot say "I won't sell to blacks or Jews".
If they are Christian they are in fact going against their own religion and insulting their savior if they refuse service. "Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me." Matthew 25:45
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They aren't discriminating if they are willing to sell any of the art they make to the gay couple and refuse to sell gay wedding art to any and all customers.

E.g.

Homosexual couple asks for gay wedding art - No.
Homosexual couple asks for non-gay wedding art - Yes.
Heterosexual couple asks for gay wedding art - No.
Heterosexual couple asks for non-gay wedding art - Yes.
 
CU said:
What if I only paint Christian scenes. Can I be forced to paint a gay wedding? What about a satanic picture for someone? How about I only paint black people during the civil war. Can a white person force me to paint them in a civil war setting? Can you force an artist to paint anything you want?

Pretty sure forcing the artist to paint it isn't the best way to a quality painting. So, I probably would have just moved on to the next artist.
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I'd outsource the work.

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Cozarkian said:
They aren't discriminating if they are willing to sell any of the art they make to the gay couple and refuse to sell gay wedding art to any and all customers.

E.g.

Homosexual couple asks for gay wedding art - No.
Homosexual couple asks for non-gay wedding art - Yes.
Heterosexual couple asks for gay wedding art - No.
Heterosexual couple asks for non-gay wedding art - Yes.
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According to them, events have rights and are protected.
 
CU said:
What if I only paint Christian scenes. Can I be forced to paint a gay wedding? What about a satanic picture for someone? How about I only paint black people during the civil war. Can a white person force me to paint them in a civil war setting? Can you force an artist to paint anything you want?

Pretty sure forcing the artist to paint it isn't the best way to a quality painting. So, I probably would have just moved on to the next artist.
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This has been covered in other threads like the one talking about the gay bakers refusing to write "Gay Marriage is Wrong" on a cake. Evidently the consensus progressive opinion is that you should be forced to provide service (generic) to someone yet can refuse specific services to people based upon content of the request. So by the very reasoning of progressives then yes, you could refuse to paint a gay wedding for someone even as you're legally "not refusing service" to them.
 
buckshot24 said:
Man, atheists love just ripping words out of their context when it comes to the bible.
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What are you, then, buckshot? we know that are not a Christian, as it is simply yet another one of your lies.

Why does the Bible matter that much to someone who clearly is not a fan?
 
glenn1 said:
This has been covered in other threads like the one talking about the gay bakers refusing to write "Gay Marriage is Wrong" on a cake. Evidently the consensus progressive opinion is that you should be forced to provide service (generic) to someone yet can refuse specific services to people based upon content of the request. So by the very reasoning of progressives then yes, you could refuse to paint a gay wedding for someone even as you're legally "not refusing service" to them.
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You guys really are terrible with this logic thing.

Here:

Businesses being required not to discriminate is not the same as a business being required to discriminate.

But I'm glad for you that you follow the inherently honest and well-informed interpretation of law from "christianpost.com"
 
These threads are so silly, if someone really doesn't want to do business with you who is going to hire them?
If someone is simply trolling you as a business just do real shitty work, don't return calls, give vague responses, don't commit to anything.
 
thraashman said:
If you have a business you cannot discriminate. It's that simple. These artists also cannot say "I won't sell to blacks or Jews".
If they are Christian they are in fact going against their own religion and insulting their savior if they refuse service. "Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me." Matthew 25:45
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buckshot24 said:
Man, atheists love just ripping words out of their context when it comes to the bible.
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Matthew 25:46 "Jesus then turned and finished his thought. Except the gays, fuck the gays, don't do anything to help them."

Damn, that context really helps.
 
Blackjack200 said:
Matthew 25:46 "Jesus then turned and finished his thought. Except the gays, fuck the gays, don't do anything to help them."

Damn, that context really helps.
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He wasn't talking about drawing pictures for people. What was Jesus talking about? You have no idea. Go read the whole chapter.
 
zinfamous said:
What are you, then, buckshot? we know that are not a Christian, as it is simply yet another one of your lies.

Why does the Bible matter that much to someone who clearly is not a fan?
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If honesty is your aim I suggest you read the whole chapter and you'll see He isn't talking about providing paintings for anybody. Honesty isn't your aim so you won't.
 
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