Article suggests RNC is dying party, but I disagree

[shortylickens]

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-rallies-republicans-jeff-flake-758301


Theres ample evidence America has plenty of ignorant bigots to keep the Grand Ol Party alive and well practically forever. White people in trailers LOVE to fuck and hate spending money on condoms. They also routinely vote for people who block abortions even though they'd probably have more abortions if their minister/preacher allowed it.

And think of the last election. Theres no way we have 62 million senior citizens in America. SOME of those votes had to be from young Aryans and Klansmen. A few may have even been from young women and young minorities who just dont understand whats really going on in America.

 

[BoomerD]

We can hope that when the tax cut effects actually start impacting people they'll start to reconsider their politics, but I doubt it will happen in any meaningful way.

 

[K1052]

The trajectory of party affiliation, demographics, and the widening gender gap would seem to argue against continued success. I think that long term the autopsy the GOP did after Romney lost largely drew the right conclusions, the party needs to be more inclusive or will be left behind eventually. Trump is an abberation that has taught the wrong lesson and as a result has put every purple state at great risk electorally. Now the Republicans are dismissing the losses in VA as it just being a blue state....that would have been an unthinkable concession only a few years ago where Rs were competitive electorially.

 

[Greenman]

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-rallies-republicans-jeff-flake-758301


Theres ample evidence America has plenty of ignorant bigots to keep the Grand Ol Party alive and well practically forever. White people in trailers LOVE to fuck and hate spending money on condoms. They also routinely vote for people who block abortions even though they'd probably have more abortions if their minister/preacher allowed it.

And think of the last election. Theres no way we have 62 million senior citizens in America. SOME of those votes had to be from young Aryans and Klansmen. A few may have even been from young women and young minorities who just dont understand whats really going on in America.

Says the guy that hasn't worked in how many years?

 

[Victorian Gray]

Says the guy that hasn't worked in how many years?

What's that have to do with his observations or what the linked article has to say?

 

[ivwshane]

When does the Republican party cease being the Republican party? When it no longer has any semblance of its original values?

In my opinion the Republican party is dead, it certainly doesn't represent the values I thought it was supposed to. Then again some will say this is exactly what the Republican party has always been and they are simply getting the policies and the results from their policies that they've always held.

Fiscally conservative? Definitely not.
Family values? The backing of Roy Moore and trump says otherwise.
Small government? Don't make me laugh.

 

[Jaskalas]

And think of the last election.

The compromise of the Affordable Care Act cost Democrats nearly everything, and in turn delivered very little for a small group who may not vote a lot. Combine that with two very hated candidates who talked more about each other than policy that'd help people. And when policy did sneak into the !@#$fest, one candidate channeled the radical change that desperate people cling to. And even then it was damn close.

#MAGA, border wall, immigration, and China. It was an economic message that effectively hit all the scapegoats that people believe in.

The problem is that hope and change from 2008 turned into hopeless despair 2016. People are losing hope in sticking together because trickle down is reaching the end game. And soon automation will wipe all the pieces off the board. Got a plan for that? Do Democrats have a message to make people believe in hope again? Democrats will have momentum because they won't be stuck in an ego trip defending the sitting admin, the status quo. Fighting against "the man" is an inherent advantage when people are not doing well. But you still need the ability to show them a path forward. To make them believe in that path.

I mean, I have a plan, and I know Democrats are more open to the notion of basic income, medicare for all, and the taxes for pay for it. But Democrats aren't campaigning for those. So... you have an alternative that doesn't fall short of the goal... right? Far as I'm concerned, soon as you embrace what is necessary, people will see a leader and respond in kind. Particularly in times where trickle down has nearly stripped them of everything. Our people are reaching out for an answer. Mostly it's to lash out in anger, but sometimes (2008, 2016) it's to put their faith in someone, anyone, who'll promise them a better future.

It's our turn when voters reach out again, let's give them something positive to vote for, a future to hope for. That's my 2 cents.

 

[dank69]

The compromise of the Affordable Care Act cost Democrats nearly everything, and in turn delivered very little for a small group who may not vote a lot. Combine that with two very hated candidates who talked more about each other than policy that'd help people. And when policy did sneak into the !@#$fest, one candidate channeled the radical change that desperate people cling to. And even then it was damn close.

#MAGA, border wall, immigration, and China. It was an economic message that effectively hit all the scapegoats that people believe in.

The problem is that hope and change from 2008 turned into hopeless despair 2016. People are losing hope in sticking together because trickle down is reaching the end game. And soon automation will wipe all the pieces off the board. Got a plan for that? Do Democrats have a message to make people believe in hope again? Democrats will have momentum because they won't be stuck in an ego trip defending the sitting admin, the status quo. Fighting against "the man" is an inherent advantage when people are not doing well. But you still need the ability to show them a path forward. To make them believe in that path.

I mean, I have a plan, and I know Democrats are more open to the notion of basic income, medicare for all, and the taxes for pay for it. But Democrats aren't campaigning for those. So... you have an alternative that doesn't fall short of the goal... right? Far as I'm concerned, soon as you embrace what is necessary, people will see a leader and respond in kind. Particularly in times where trickle down has nearly stripped them of everything. Our people are reaching out for an answer. Mostly it's to lash out in anger, but sometimes (2008, 2016) it's to put their faith in someone, anyone, who'll promise them a better future.

It's our turn when voters reach out again, let's give them something positive to vote for, a future to hope for. That's my 2 cents.

It didn't cost the Democrats because it was a compromise. It cost the Democrats because it was a socialist government takeover of healthcare.

 

[whm1974]

It didn't cost the Democrats because it was a compromise. It cost the Democrats because it was a socialist government takeover of healthcare.

What in hell do you think Medicare is?

 

[FIVR]

They don't need real Americans to like them anymore. They have the corporations and the Russians on their side.


From now on the name of the game is to hack the elections. They don't need to win the most votes if they can somehow change the way the votes are counted and recorded. US corporations will help out a lot too.

 

[theeedude]

Conservatism is old and frail, but has to be actively snuffed out, don't count on natural causes.

 

[Atreus21]

One would think 2016 would've administered a dose of humility into democrats who love predictions of their own supremacy.

Oh well.

 

[pmv]

One would think 2016 would've administered a dose of humility into democrats who love predictions of their own supremacy.

Oh well.

2016 didn't look like a triumph of conservatism to me. Looked more like a massive crisis, possibly signifiying it's death throes. Ditto here with Brexit.

Of course, that doesn't mean what appears to be emerging from the rubble should be a source of joy for conservatism's principal opponants. That the Republican party as we know it is in crisis doesn't mean the Democrats are going to triumph.

 

[umbrella39]

One would think 2016 would've administered a dose of humility into democrats who love predictions of their own supremacy.

Oh well.

One would think Census Data would have administered a dose of humility and reality into republicans...

You will be extinct by 2050. No amount of Gerrymandering, voter suppression, WALLZ, or "immigration" policies will change that...

Oh well.

 

[Jaskalas]

It didn't cost the Democrats because it was a compromise. It cost the Democrats because it was a socialist government takeover of healthcare.

It was an insurance company boondoggle meant to mandate coverage without paying for it. Means they still get to mark the costs up 3x, write the "losses" off on tax breaks, and destroy the consumers. By all measure our existing system is an abject failure because it is not "single payer". If it worked like medicare in addition to addressing costs and drug prices, the American people would finally have healthcare they can afford.

Instead, Democrats "fixed" it and too few felt any relief. I'm for results, not the propaganda piece where you call something socialist while you apparently don't even know the meaning of the word. You know what taxes and benefits are called in the private sector? Insurance. Some people might think it's a great idea not to go bankrupt when you get sick. Where each HOUR can cost THOUSANDS of dollars. If you think you can afford that, then go right ahead and tell the world how rich you are. Meanwhile, I'll be fighting for the 99% who can't even take a trip to the ER without facing ruin.

We're here to help the American people, not to tell them that they are on their own.

 

[Atreus21]

One would think Census Data would have administered a dose of humility and reality into republicans...

You will be extinct by 2050. No amount of Gerrymandering, voter suppression, WALLZ, or "immigration" policies will change that...

Oh well.

haha! So more predictions: Nothing will change between now and 2050, essentially. Voters' minds will never change. Parties won't nominate morons. Immigrants won't assimilate and change their voting patterns. Crazy historical events won't possibly sway public opinion in one party's direction over another's.

For a party that boasts a majority of unfaithful among its members, you guys fall for your own prophesies like eggs from tall chickens.

 

[trenchfoot]

Repub Party is not dying. They're just being *shudder* slowly outnumbered.

 

[theeedude]

One would think 2016 would've administered a dose of humility into democrats who love predictions of their own supremacy.
Oh well.

It's not predictions, it's actuarial tables. Conservatism is relocating to the cemetery along with its base of support.
Trump has not helped the situation as young people are now 2:1 against Republicans. People are far less likely to change their political views after they leave their 20s, but they are more likely to turn out to vote. So you do the math.

 

[Jhhnn]

2016 didn't look like a triumph of conservatism to me. Looked more like a massive crisis, possibly signifiying it's death throes. Ditto here with Brexit.

Of course, that doesn't mean what appears to be emerging from the rubble should be a source of joy for conservatism's principal opponants. That the Republican party as we know it is in crisis doesn't mean the Democrats are going to triumph.

Agreed. It's really crazy over there. The GOP has only themselves to blame. They've been crazifying their base for decades to get 'em to vote for trickle down. They didn't realize how far it had gone until Trump showed them.

Trumpism is some kind of strange revolt against the Party. Oddly enough, it's based on even greater falsehood than their usual pitch. Trump said he was different, promised to be their voice, and they were desperate to believe in somebody.

As it turns out, he's just another asshole billionaire member of the lootocracy. Some of them, I suspect, are beginning to figure that out.

 

[theeedude]

Tax cuts went form 55% support under Bush to 35% under Trump, but I am sure trickle down will be even more popular in the future.

 

[pete6032]

I am not a conservative but I can appreciate what the conservative ideology believes in - limited government, fiscally conservative, self reliance.

As other posters have mentioned, the GOP does not stand for any of the these values any longer. They support Roy Moore, want to blow a $1.5 trillion hole in the budget, and have no problem with economic engineering when it benefits party donors.

 

[theeedude]

I am not a conservative but I can appreciate what the conservative ideology believes in - limited government, fiscally conservative, self reliance.

As other posters have mentioned, the GOP does not stand for any of the these values any longer. They support Roy Moore, want to blow a $1.5 trillion hole in the budget, and have no problem with economic engineering when it benefits party donors.

Conservatism and Republicanism is same sh!t, different name. Conservatives supported Republicans in blowing holes in the budget to reward party donors, every time.

 

[umbrella39]

haha! So more predictions: Nothing will change between now and 2050, essentially. Voters' minds will never change. Parties won't nominate morons. Immigrants won't assimilate and change their voting patterns. Crazy historical events won't possibly sway public opinion in one party's direction over another's.

For a party that boasts a majority of unfaithful among its members, you guys fall for your own prophesies like eggs from tall chickens.

You need to slow down stop the knee jerking and re-read my first sentence. The key word: CENSUS

These are not predictions. In 2016, it became official:

Minority babies are the majority among the nation’s infants. We will no longer be the majority very soon. The less white we become the less conservative we will be. People will move to the center which in today's world... is what you consider far left. That's how far right you have become. Your message now has to appeal to the LCD to stay alive...

 

[Jhhnn]

I am not a conservative but I can appreciate what the conservative ideology believes in - limited government, fiscally conservative, self reliance.

As other posters have mentioned, the GOP does not stand for any of the these values any longer. They support Roy Moore, want to blow a $1.5 trillion hole in the budget, and have no problem with economic engineering when it benefits party donors.

Gawd. Limited govt isn't the answer in the face of multinational capitalism. As that becomes bigger, more complex & more efficient at extracting wealth from the rest of society the more important the role of the Government of the People really becomes. It's the only buffer we have between ourselves & the greed of the plutocracy.

 

[Jaskalas]

Gawd. Limited govt isn't the answer in the face of multinational capitalism. As that becomes bigger, more complex & more efficient at extracting wealth from the rest of society the more important the role of the Government of the People really becomes. It's the only buffer we have between ourselves & the greed of the plutocracy.

This, absolutely.