Article on Superbowl Advertising

[manlymatt83]

I was reading this article just now:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/01/AR2010020102067.html

I hate to say it, but the article makes sense. I can understand a few things first: how it sucks that the gay dating website advertisement was struck down as "inappropriate". Tolerance in America has obviously not built up enough yet to allow something like that. Also, I can understand how this commercial may not be the best commercial to air during the Superbowl.

But why does it seem like people aren't just pro-choice, but actually pro-abortion? People who are pro-choice should have absolutely no problem if 50% of women choose life and 50% of women choose abortion. Yet Planned Parenthood, while offering abortion services, does not offer any alternatives such as counseling referrals or adoption information. Aren't they supposed to be an organizations that helps people plan? I consider myself pro-choice, but correct me if I'm wrong: aren't some of these arguments arguing that pro-choicers are okay with a choice as long as it's abortion?

 

[werepossum]

Abortion is the liberal sacrament. Until a woman has felt the beauty of life growing within her and then snuffing it out, she can never be a real woman. /Southpark
There is no pro-life and pro-choice, there is only pro- and anti-abortion. Therefore Catholic Services preaches only birth options and Planned Parenthood preaches only abortion options - which is kind or ironic given the name, but liberals like misleading names. Perhaps Catholic Services should change its name to Baby Death Squad just to get even. Or perhaps not.

 

[sandorski]

I was reading this article just now:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/01/AR2010020102067.html

I hate to say it, but the article makes sense. I can understand a few things first: how it sucks that the gay dating website advertisement was struck down as "inappropriate". Tolerance in America has obviously not built up enough yet to allow something like that. Also, I can understand how this commercial may not be the best commercial to air during the Superbowl.

But why does it seem like people aren't just pro-choice, but actually pro-abortion? People who are pro-choice should have absolutely no problem if 50% of women choose life and 50% of women choose abortion. Yet Planned Parenthood, while offering abortion services, does not offer any alternatives such as counseling referrals or adoption information. Aren't they supposed to be an organizations that helps people plan? I consider myself pro-choice, but correct me if I'm wrong: aren't some of these arguments arguing that pro-choicers are okay with a choice as long as it's abortion?

They are "Planned Parenthood", not an Adoption Agency. If People want to put a Child up for Adoption, surely they can find an Adoption Agency.

 

[Atreus21]

If the pro-choice stance is so precarious that a story about someone who chose to carry a risky pregnancy to term undermines it, then CBS is not the problem.

That might be sig-worthy.

 

[Slick5150]

Abortion is the liberal sacrament. Until a woman has felt the beauty of life growing within her and then snuffing it out, she can never be a real woman. /Southpark
There is no pro-life and pro-choice, there is only pro- and anti-abortion. Therefore Catholic Services preaches only birth options and Planned Parenthood preaches only abortion options - which is kind or ironic given the name, but liberals like misleading names. Perhaps Catholic Services should change its name to Baby Death Squad just to get even. Or perhaps not.

I love made up bullshit being cited as proof of an argument.

Planned Parenthood's Website titled "THINKING ABOUT ADOPTION"
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/pregnancy/adoption-21520.htm

Which is part of their "Pregnancy Options" page, which has Abortion, Adoption, and Parenthood as the 3 options.

Seems pretty well rounded to me.

 

[Red Dawn]

I was reading this article just now:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/01/AR2010020102067.html

I hate to say it, but the article makes sense. I can understand a few things first: how it sucks that the gay dating website advertisement was struck down as "inappropriate". Tolerance in America has obviously not built up enough yet to allow something like that. Also, I can understand how this commercial may not be the best commercial to air during the Superbowl.

But why does it seem like people aren't just pro-choice, but actually pro-abortion? People who are pro-choice should have absolutely no problem if 50% of women choose life and 50% of women choose abortion. Yet Planned Parenthood, while offering abortion services, does not offer any alternatives such as counseling referrals or adoption information. Aren't they supposed to be an organizations that helps people plan? I consider myself pro-choice, but correct me if I'm wrong: aren't some of these arguments arguing that pro-choicers are okay with a choice as long as it's abortion?

I don't know about you but most of us aren't interested in either commercials about Gays dating or some asshole talking about how happy he is his mother didn't abort him. We just want to watch football and see some interesting and amusing commercials. Leave the political shit for asshole Cable news junkies.

 

[spittledip]

I don't know about you but most of us aren't interested in either commercials about Gays dating or some asshole talking about how happy he is his mother didn't abort him. We just want to watch football and see some interesting and amusing commercials. Leave the political shit for asshole Cable news junkies.

Yeah, does seem like the wrong target audience..

 

[StageLeft]

Abortion is the liberal sacrament. Until a woman has felt the beauty of life growing within her and then snuffing it out, she can never be a real woman. /Southpark
There is no pro-life and pro-choice, there is only pro- and anti-abortion. Therefore Catholic Services preaches only birth options and Planned Parenthood preaches only abortion options - which is kind or ironic given the name, but liberals like misleading names. Perhaps Catholic Services should change its name to Baby Death Squad just to get even. Or perhaps not.

LOL

Back to OP I kind of get that impression, too from some that not only is pro-choice ok but it should in some ways be encouraged. And regardless of your views on abortion nobody can actually pretend it's a good thing. If nothing else it's a medical procedure that costs money and it still shows in most cases a lack of reasonable preparation.

 

[Ozoned]

I was reading this article just now:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/01/AR2010020102067.html

I hate to say it, but the article makes sense. I can understand a few things first: how it sucks that the gay dating website advertisement was struck down as "inappropriate". Tolerance in America has obviously not built up enough yet to allow something like that. Also, I can understand how this commercial may not be the best commercial to air during the Superbowl.

But why does it seem like people aren't just pro-choice, but actually pro-abortion? People who are pro-choice should have absolutely no problem if 50% of women choose life and 50% of women choose abortion. Yet Planned Parenthood, while offering abortion services, does not offer any alternatives such as counseling referrals or adoption information. Aren't they supposed to be an organizations that helps people plan? I consider myself pro-choice, but correct me if I'm wrong: aren't some of these arguments arguing that pro-choicers are okay with a choice as long as it's abortion?

You need to understand (why) people go to planned parenthood.

 

[CPA]

I don't know about you but most of us aren't interested in either commercials about Gays dating or some asshole talking about how happy he is his mother didn't abort him. We just want to watch football and see some interesting and amusing commercials. Leave the political shit for asshole Cable news junkies.

This, I agree with. Part of the issue is that the NFL and the networks continue to cater other demographics other than it's main one. The main demographic - men between the age of 18-40 - don't care about anything but the game and possibly the Budweiser commercials. We don't care about who's playing the halftime, what commercials are playing, most of the background stories of the players, etc. Just give us the damn game and cut out the rest of the bullshit.

 

[RedCOMET]

Just give us the damn game and cut out the rest of the bullshit.

It feels like there are more commercials being played every year. Its like there is a tv time-0ut after 3 minutes. It makes enjoying the actual game harder and harder becase they stop play so often.

 

[StageLeft]

Well, a lot of people only care about Superbowl because of the commercials; it's become a meaningful side show to draw viewers.

 

[Red Dawn]

Well, a lot of people only care about Superbowl because of the commercials; it's become a meaningful side show to draw viewers.

Even more reason not to include any of the political bullshit.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Pam Tebow and her son feel good enough about that choice to want to tell people about it. Only, NOW says they shouldn't be allowed to. Apparently NOW feels this commercial is an inappropriate message for America to see for 30 seconds, but women in bikini selling beer is the right one. I would like to meet the genius at NOW who made that decision. On second thought, no, I wouldn't.

From the feminist author of the article. Although she is Pro-choice, at least she has the intellectual integrity to recognize that NOW is being quite hypocritical in its opposition to the Tebow add So commercial after commercial of women being exploited as sex symbols is acceptable...but the story of a woman who had an at risk birth but chose to carry the child full term, a child that grew up to be an NFL player...that story is taboo. Didn't Pam Tebow make a choice...shouldn't that be what the Pro-choice movement is all about?

 

[Blackjack200]

I haven't seen the ad, but it sounds quite revolting.

It sounds like a lottery ad: most women considering abortion are in no position to raise a child, financially or otherwise. The child will have a miserable upbringing, and probably be socially dysfunctional. But, he could be a football star. Hey, ya never know!

And why is this woman writing like chastity is some kind of virtue? Is it the 1800s again? Is there something wrong with adults having consentual sex? What a dumb bitch.

FWIW, I have no problem with CBS (or whoever is carrying the game) airing the ad. If people want to make asses of themselves in front of the entire nation, go ahead.

I wonder if anyone would have a problem if NOW ran an ad with a pregnant teen-age rape victim from a 3rd world country that doesn't allow abortions, and just mention that the childbirth might kill her. Ooh, wouldn't want that.

 

[Sinsear]

Did NAMBLA get an ad this year?

 

[Red Dawn]

Did NAMBLA get an ad this year?

Kind of, it's listed as being Under the Council For the Catholic Church.

 

[Atreus21]

I haven't seen the ad, but it sounds quite revolting.

It sounds like a lottery ad: most women considering abortion are in no position to raise a child, financially or otherwise. The child will have a miserable upbringing, and probably be socially dysfunctional. But, he could be a football star. Hey, ya never know!

And why is this woman writing like chastity is some kind of virtue? Is it the 1800s again? Is there something wrong with adults having consentual sex? What a dumb bitch.

FWIW, I have no problem with CBS (or whoever is carrying the game) airing the ad. If people want to make asses of themselves in front of the entire nation, go ahead.

I wonder if anyone would have a problem if NOW ran an ad with a pregnant teen-age rape victim from a 3rd world country that doesn't allow abortions, and just mention that the childbirth might kill her. Ooh, wouldn't want that.

Ah, yes, now it comes out.

Yes, that's exactly the point. The arrogance and horror inherent in abortion lies in two assumptions made by its supporters: 1. That we can predict the future, and 2. that this child's future is so abhorrent that death is preferable to life. Both of these are obvious lies. And Tim Tebow proves it: your aborted child might have done something great, contrary to your prediction.

The only possible defense of abortion comes from concern for the mother's well-being. Destroy the child if you wish, but at least don't pretend to have the child's best interest in mind.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Kind of, it's listed as being Under the Council For the Catholic Church.

Yeah I hear Obama and the Democrats are running an ad too.. Its listed under Al Jazeera.

 

[Blackjack200]

Ah, yes, now it comes out.

Yes, that's exactly the point. The arrogance and horror inherent in abortion lies in two assumptions made by its supporters: 1. That we can predict the future, and 2. that this child's future is so abhorrent that death is preferable to life. Both of these are obvious lies. And Tim Tebow proves it: your aborted child might have done something great, contrary to your prediction.

The only possible defense of abortion comes from concern for the mother's well-being. Destroy the child if you wish, but at least don't pretend to have the child's best interest in mind.

This is not about predicting the future, this is about opening your eyes and observing what's going on in our inner cities. If you have a personal view that every egg and every sperm needs to turn into 160 pounds of protoplasm, fine. My opinion of that view is that it's laughably naiive and antiquated.

Tim Tebow's recommended abortion was the result of bad medical advice (or good advice that turned out to be wrong). It was not the result of his mother making a rational determination that she would not be able to raise him.

There are many possible "defenses" of abortion. The only one that's needed is that the mother does not want to carry the pregnancy to term. That's it. Any other belief is mysoginistic and belongs back in the Bronze Age

 

[Atreus21]

This is not about predicting the future, this is about opening your eyes and observing what's going on in our inner cities.

Really. What's going on in our inner cities?

If you have a personal view that every egg and every sperm needs to turn into 160 pounds of protoplasm, fine. My opinion of that view is that it's laughably naiive and antiquated.

My personal view is that human lives are sacred. And are not to be arbitrarily sacrificed in the name of convenience, or in the hilariously contradictory belief that its better for them.

Tim Tebow's recommended abortion was the result of bad medical advice (or good advice that turned out to be wrong). It was not the result of his mother making a rational determination that she would not be able to raise him.

I don't think I understand. If Pam Tebow had aborted Tim, it would've been good advice. But since she didn't, it was bad advice?

There are many possible "defenses" of abortion. The only one that's needed is that the mother does not want to carry the pregnancy to term. That's it. Any other belief is mysoginistic and belongs back in the Bronze Age

I'm sorry, but simply not desiring to carry the pregnancy to term is selfish. There's more at stake here than the mother's wishes. If a mother willfully gets pregnant, she is responsible now for another life.

 

[sandorski]

Really. What's going on in our inner cities?



My personal view is that human lives are sacred. And are not to be arbitrarily sacrificed in the name of convenience, or in the hilariously contradictory belief that its better for them.



I don't think I understand. If Pam Tebow had aborted Tim, it would've been good advice. But since she didn't, it was bad advice?



I'm sorry, but simply not desiring to carry the pregnancy to term is selfish. There's more at stake here than the mother's wishes. If a mother willfully gets pregnant, she is responsible now for another life.

That's the crux of the matter.

 

[Blackjack200]

Really. What's going on in our inner cities?

I'm referring, specifically, to women having children that they are ill equiped to care for. They do it for a variety of reasons, but the problem is, or would be, exacerbated by a lack of access to abortion as a method of birth control.

My personal view is that human lives are sacred. And are not to be arbitrarily sacrificed in the name of convenience, or in the hilariously contradictory belief that its better for them.

That's fine. Again, I have no problem with a woman that feels that her child is sacred, and not to be "arbitrarily sacrificed in the name of convenience, or in the hilariously contradictory belief that its better for them". I don't pretend, unlike some others, to know what's best for them.

I don't think I understand. If Pam Tebow had aborted Tim, it would've been good advice. But since she didn't, it was bad advice?

My point was that Tim's abortion was considered for medical reasons, not the social factors that impact most decisions.

I'm sorry, but simply not desiring to carry the pregnancy to term is selfish. There's more at stake here than the mother's wishes. If a mother willfully gets pregnant, she is responsible now for another life.

I think that the vast majority of women that willfully get pregnant, also carry the child to term.

 

[kalrith]

This, I agree with. Part of the issue is that the NFL and the networks continue to cater other demographics other than it's main one. The main demographic - men between the age of 18-40 - don't care about anything but the game and possibly the Budweiser commercials. We don't care about who's playing the halftime, what commercials are playing, most of the background stories of the players, etc. Just give us the damn game and cut out the rest of the bullshit.

Men between 18 and 40 might be the main demographic for the rest of the NFL season, but I think the demographic vastly expands for the Superbowl.

I think that the vast majority of women that willfully get pregnant, also carry the child to term.

I would equate "willfully have sex" with "willfully get pregnant" as there is always a chance of pregnancy regardless of what birth-control methods are used, and women taking that risk should also take on the responsible to care for the life that they just produced (rather than killing that life). Are you saying that the vast majority of abortions are by rape victims? I think not.

 

[sandorski]

Men between 18 and 40 might be the main demographic for the rest of the NFL season, but I think the demographic vastly expands for the Superbowl.



I would equate "willfully have sex" with "willfully get pregnant" as there is always a chance of pregnancy regardless of what birth-control methods are used, and women taking that risk should also take on the responsible to care for the life that they just produced (rather than killing that life). Are you saying that the vast majority of abortions are by rape victims? I think not.

That's nutty.