Article my PhD Scientist Friend Wrote about LASIK Eye Surgery

wwswimming

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Up front I will say, I am not anti-LASIK, when it is sold honestly.

I had a friend who taught rock-climbing. I didn't ask him
to stop rock-climbing; we both knew about Marc Welman,
a man who was paralyzed in a fall and then climbed Half Dome
using arm strength only.

However, the LASIK Industry has worked very hard to make
sure that people don't hear about injured LASIK patients.

That includes pressuring Google to manipulate search results.
I lost a page one ranking for the search terms "LASIK San Diego"
in October 2002 - the same month they started taking ads from
San Diego LASIK Surgeons. It didn't move to page 3 or page
10, it disappeared. Do a search using the term "epithelial
ingrowth", and you might find my website. The problem is,
most people don't find out about such things until they are
in the unfortunate position of experiencing them.

The LASIK Industry has also excised every mention of websites
by injured LASIK patients from Wikipedia. For reference, I have
pasted that list of websites below. Try pasting that list in the
"Complications" section of Wikipedia, and see what happens.

Anyway, here is, The LASIK Report. Below that, a list of websites
created by injured LASIK patients.

Get the point ? When a LASIK Surgeon says LASIK is Safe,
they are using a definition of "safe" that is 200% alien from the
normal English language that you and I use. LASIK is Safe
the same way surfing at Maverick's is safe.




The LASIK Report - PhD Scientist, injured by LASIK, Investigates.

http://thelasikreport.com/TheLasikReport_Aug2006.pdf



THE LASIK REPORT
A Scientist Investigates LASIK eye surgery.

August, 2006


LASIK is one of the most commonly performed elective surgeries in the United States today. The public perception of LASIK is based largely on advertising, which is intended to entice patients to have surgery without disclosing risks, side effects and contraindications.

The perceived benefits of LASIK surgery are obvious, whereas risks and adverse effects are not. It is unwise to assume that a surgeon who has a financial interest in a patient?s decision to have LASIK will provide adequate informed consent.

LASIK is irreversible and may result in long-term, debilitating complications. There are permanent adverse effects of LASIK in 100% of cases, even in the absence of clinically significant complications. This is unacceptable in the context of an elective surgery when safer alternatives such as glasses or contact lenses exist.

I. BACKGROUND

In 1998, when the first laser received FDA approval for LASIK, little was known about complications and long-term safety of the procedure. Early clinical trials did not thoroughly examine adverse effects of LASIK.

Since that time, numerous medical studies have examined the risks of LASIK. It is now widely reported in ophthalmic medical journals that complications such as dry eye and visual disturbances in low light are common, and that creation of the corneal flap permanently compromises tensile strength and biomechanical integrity of the cornea.

In 1999 during the initial boom in popularity of LASIK, Marguerite B. McDonald, noted refractive surgeon and then-Chief Medical Editor of EyeWorld magazine, stated in an editorial:
?We are only starting to ride the enormous growth curve of LASIK in this country. There will be more than enough surgeries for everyone to benefit if we keep our heads by sharing information openly and honestly and by resisting the temptation to criticize the work of our colleagues when we are offering a second opinion to a patient with a suboptimal result. Who was it who said, ?When the tide comes in, all the boats in the harbor go up?? ?
Today some prominent refractive surgeons are finding superior outcomes and better safety profiles with surface ablations such as PRK and LASEK, which avoid creation of a corneal flap. Yet LASIK continues to be the most common refractive surgical procedure performed.

II. DRY EYE

A report by the American Academy of Ophthalmology published in 2002 stated that dry eye is the most common complication of LASIK surgery.1 Refractive surgeons are aware that LASIK induces dry eye, yet patients are not receiving full informed consent as to the etiology, chronic nature and severity of this condition.

?My LASIK dry eye is not a minor problem, as downplayed by some ophthalmologists. It's a disability. I estimate that I am blind approximately 10 percent of the time due to my eyes being closed because of the pain. At the time of my surgery, I was told only a small number of patients experience a complication from this procedure. There is substantial evidence that shows this crippling side effect to be relatively common.?

LASIK patient, David Shell, testifying before the FDA Ophthalmic Devices Panel in August, 2002.

Persistent Dry Eye and Quality of Life after LASIK
Patients elect to undergo LASIK surgery with the expectation of improved quality of life. Instead, many are living with chronic pain from LASIK-induced dry eye.
The FDA website states that dry eyes after LASIK may be permanent (http://www.fda.gov/cdrh/LASIK/risks.htm). Patients should be informed that LASIK surgery severs corneal nerves that play a crucial role in tear production, and that these nerves do not return to normal. Inability to sense and respond to dryness may lead to ocular surface damage.

Medical Research on the Duration and Severity of Dry Eye
Dry eye disease is a painful, chronic condition for some patients after LASIK surgery. In 2001, Hovanesian, Shah, and Maloney found that 48% of LASIK patients reported symptoms of dryness at least 6 months after surgery, including soreness, sharp pain and eyelid sticking to the eyeball.2

A Mayo Clinic study published in 2004 demonstrates that 3 years after LASIK corneal nerves are less than 60% of preoperative densities.3

In 2006, researchers at Baylor College of Medicine reported the incidence of dry eyes six months after LASIK at 36% overall and 41% in eyes with superior-hinges.4 These findings were based on objective medical tests rather than patient questionnaires, which is significant as patients with nerve damage may not be capable of sensing dryness.

The scientific literature is replete with case reports and studies of LASIK-induced dry eye. This complication is widely recognized in the industry as the most common complaint of LASIK patients, yet the problem is downplayed in the informed consent process. Most dry eye therapies provide only marginally effective symptomatic relief. There is no cure for LASIK-induced dry eye. Internet bulletin boards with forums devoted to post-LASIK dry eye are a testament to this widespread, debilitating condition.

III. Night Vision Impairment


Continued at
http://www.theLASIKReport.com/...ASIKReport_Aug2006.pdf



LASIK COMPLICATIONS WEB SITES

~ Original list provided by Elvira, Websites Created by Injured LASIK Patients ~

http://www.LASIK-Flap.com/ ~ Temporarily Censored by the LASIK Industry, now Back Up

http://www.theLASIKReport.com/ ~ Has *.pdf file, "TheLasikReport_Aug2006.pdf"

http://www.tlcbigskylasercenter.com/

http://www.lasermyeye.org/

http://www.lasikfraud.com/ ~ Temporarily Censored by the LASIK Industry, now Back Up

http://www.doctormyeye.com/

http://www.lasikreality.com/

http://www.eyefordesign.com/lasik.html

http://www.lasiksucks4u.com/

http://www.visionsimulations.com/

http://www.flawedlasik.com/

http://www.lifeafterlasik.com/

http://www.lasikmemorial.com/

http://www.geocities.com/pifanon/

http://dryeyezone.com/

http://mylasikstory.com/

http://home.comcast.net/~joewills/LASIKSTORYKEITH.html

http://www.kathygriffin.net/lasik.php

http://www.lasikdisaster.com/ ~ Temporarily Censored by the LASIK Industry, now Back Up

http://www.visionsurgeryrehab.org/

http://directory.google.com/To.../LASIK/Personal_Pages/
 

brownzilla786

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I know a few people that had this done, and they love it. However these have been fairly recent surgeries, 2006ish, maybe it has gotten better since then.
 

Bateluer

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I've been very happy with my LASIK experience as well, had it in Feb 07, and an enhancement in Oct 07. No issues aside from dryness, which has steadily decreased since the surgeries.
 

IGBT

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Originally posted by: Bateluer
I've been very happy with my LASIK experience as well, had it in Feb 07, and an enhancement in Oct 07. No issues aside from dryness, which has steadily decreased since the surgeries.



..Refresh Endura is a good high persistent eye drop for dry eye problems.
 

Bateluer

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Originally posted by: IGBT
Originally posted by: Bateluer
I've been very happy with my LASIK experience as well, had it in Feb 07, and an enhancement in Oct 07. No issues aside from dryness, which has steadily decreased since the surgeries.



..Refresh Endura is a good high persistent eye drop for dry eye problems.

I've been using the Refresh Plus the docs recommended when I had the surgery, works very well. The more time passes since the surgery, the easier it gets. Also, depending on the task, the eyes can get dryer. Extensive reading or computer use requires more drops.
 

wwswimming

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for the sincere replies, thanks.

for me it's like talking about a car accident over and over again.
forgive me if i don't answer every question & debate every fine
point.

i know that the general public deserves to know information that
has been censored by -
* Google
* Wikipedia
* Craigslist

why does Craigslist excise postings about LASIK complications ?

their primary source of income is job listings, including health care
providers & LASIK clinics.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/search/hea?query=LASIK
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/hea/

& here is the response when someone posts politely & within
terms of use about injured LASIK patients, at Craigslist -
http://www.geocities.com/wwswi...List_LASIK_posts__.JPG

the posts introducing The LASIK Flap & the LASIK Report
were excised later in the day. the shrieking responses to
the posts started within 60 seconds.

a similar scorched earth policy was used by the LASIK
industry to poison the USENET newsgroup alt.lasik-eyes.

i'm glad AnandTech allows posts about the subject of LASIK
complications & injured LASIK patients.


 

TallBill

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Mmmm, I had PRK done for me and deal with dry eyes all the time but its more then worth it to me to be able to see.
 

jaedaliu

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it's an interesting report. why isn't there a name listed, nor credentials? or possibly funding information?
 

wwswimming

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Originally posted by: jaedaliu
it's an interesting report. why isn't there a name listed, nor credentials? or possibly funding information?

the LASIK industry is extremely litigious and has a
squad of "internet PR specialists" that so far has
done the following -
* baited one injured LASIK patient into writing
a letter on her company letterhead, thereby losing
her her job, putting her out of action as a consumer
activist for about 6 months.
* poisoned what used to be a decent forum,
alt.lasik-eyes.
* sent numerous attorneys to threaten to repossess
my first born child, using allegations of trademark
infringement, because i had a website that simply
counted LASIK casualties - of the most experienced
surgeons.
(that is a very short summary; it would fill a book)

in short, they have spent $millions to muzzle injured
LASIK patients, including removing any evidence of
our existence (i live with constant eye pain) from the
primary social networking websites i listed above.

that list of injured LASIK patient's websites ? it was
repeatedly removed from the "LASIK complications"
section of Wikipedia by - paid LASIK industry consultants,
in 2006. i have relevant screen captures and will at some
point, document what i just said.

so, doing a whois for the these 2 websites, i see that
http://www.thelasikflap.com/
http://www.thelasikreport.com/

... pdf in HTML form at
http://www.thelasikflap.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=863

... the ownership is still anonymous, so i will respect it.

the funding was out of the author's own pocket. the
author is an injured LASIK patient who is paid to be
a scientist & lives with constant eye pain.
 

IGBT

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Originally posted by: Bateluer
Originally posted by: IGBT
Originally posted by: Bateluer
I've been very happy with my LASIK experience as well, had it in Feb 07, and an enhancement in Oct 07. No issues aside from dryness, which has steadily decreased since the surgeries.



..Refresh Endura is a good high persistent eye drop for dry eye problems.

I've been using the Refresh Plus the docs recommended when I had the surgery, works very well. The more time passes since the surgery, the easier it gets. Also, depending on the task, the eyes can get dryer. Extensive reading or computer use requires more drops.


..I use that too between Endura apps. research Endura and see what you think.
 

wwswimming

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people whose livelihood depends on the public perception that
LASIK is safe seem to be uncomfortable when persons injured
by LASIK speak out about their experience.

from this post in Highly Technical
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2131215&enterthread=y

"Finally, you would do well to remove the link to lasiksos from your sig. LASIK is one of the safest surgeries on the planet. I've not had it only because I can't afford it (grad student stipends aren't exactly high enough to support elective surgeries ), but otherwise I certainly would and I work in an ophthalmology department. I'm well acquainted with the risks and they are few and far between. But I digress."

i have an engineering degree from Stanford. i'm living with
constant eye pain. the eye pain onset at the time of my
LASIK eye surgery. i went on medical leave from my
corporate engineering job in 2004, because of eye pain.

before LASIK, i could look at a computer screen 10 hours
a day, no problem. after LASIK, because of eye pain and
eye fatigue, my daily computer time is - 2 hours.

LASIK is "safe" in the same sense of the word that surfing
at Maverick's is "safe". except for one thing - when Mark
Foo died at Maverick's im 1994, the surf industry did not work to
keep his death out of the news. the LASIK industry has
worked VERY hard to keep the subject of LASIK complications
out of the news, and out of the public view.
 

KarmaPolice

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i was considering getting lasik but it scares me too much. Just the slight chance of loss of slight is not worth it...maybe when it gets better, which I am sure it will.

If i were to get a surgery I would go with PRK or another one. PRK takes longer to heal but is better I feel.
 

Bateluer

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Originally posted by: wwswimming


before LASIK, i could look at a computer screen 10 hours
a day, no problem. after LASIK, because of eye pain and
eye fatigue, my daily computer time is - 2 hours.

I do have that issue, extended time at the computer screen is now more painful than before. However, part of this is that I run a 24in LCD at 1920x1200. The LCD factor is great and definitely reduced eye strain. However, the small text can be difficult to read. Reading through large text documents on a while background is not a good idea. The eye strain issue can be alleviated with a liberal use of artificial tears, turning down the screen brightness, and occasionally hitting the Ctrl + in FF to magnify the text.

I'm not saying everyone should have LASIK if they have poor vision, but some people seem to think that its an instant 20/20 vision and its not. The end results can vary, and there is a healing period while your eyes stabilize again. Not everybody, but a large percentage seem to think they should have perfect vision he next day, and thats just not the case.
 

Bateluer

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Originally posted by: bignateyk
hmm.. my mom had it done a few years ago and has not had any serious problems...

My uncle had it done over a decade ago and hasn't had any problems.

Stop me if I'm wrong, but isn't LASIK one of the most common elective surgeries today? With the numbers of people getting it done, it makes sense that there would be some people with complications.
 

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I had it done on Thurs (12/13). So far, I've had a complication in my right eye in what amounts to a piece of dirt being lodged in the outer part. It's a rather sharp pain, but a few blinks and it goes away quickly. I noticed it during my next-day follow up. My opthamalogist (sp?) thinks that it could be the result of the flap not healing right away. He and a doctor from the place where the surgery was performed both agree that it should heal in time. I'm not too worried about it, but it still bothers me. Aside from that, I get the dry eyes symptoms that, I'm assuming, is pretty common.

My eyesight beforehand was horrid; my contact prescription was -5.5 for both eyes, and I couldn't see clearly 6 inches past my face. My vision is currently 20/15 in my left eye and 20/30 in my right eye, but I believe I can see either 20/15 or 20/20 with both eyes open. It's incredible that I could start seeing things even on the way home from surgery (I peeked out while my mom drove me home- kept my eyes shut pretty much the whole day).

Overall, I'm really glad that I did it, and I'm very hopeful that all the side effects will go away.
 

herkulease

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I'm sorry but the conclusion of that paper is way too strong on relatively weak evidence atleast in comparison with its conclusion.

Highlighting extreme cases and pointing out shady doctors isn't something new. It happens in every industry.

There are complications with everything that is done to the body. Nothing is 100% safe.
lasik surgery is like anything else that related to your health. You have to think it through and not put a PRICE on it. If you're not comfortable then walk away. Way too many people visit the first doctor they see, then say ok. Many don't seek a second opinion or find anyone who's had work done by the doctor and hear it about them.

There are honest doctors who do everything by the book and turn away people who are not qualified and tell them of possible complications.

Maybe I expect way too much of people to have some common sense in regards to their health.

 

KK

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no issues here. i haven't known anyone personally that had issues with it either.
 

wwswimming

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one part of the procedure is the excimer laser. it's purpose is to photo-ablate
corneal tissue. it does this by firing pulses of 193 nm UV radiation.

if you double-check the math, you will find that that 2 mm wide beam of
radiation is over 100,000 times brighter than the sun. the pulse width of
the laser "shot" is measured in billionths of a second.

a Google search for the terms "ultraviolet radiation burn eye"
http://www.google.com/search?q...let+radiation+burn+eye

compare those symptoms to the symptoms people have after the
procedure. 1 for 1 mapping.

so, people go to a LASIK surgeon, he points a high-powered pulsed
UV laser in their eye, they develop the symptoms of a UV radiation
burn - in the eye - and the LASIK surgeon says, "i have no idea
what could be wrong."

that's just the excimer laser part of the surgery.

there's also the effects of the speculum and the suction ring
(the devices that immobilize the eyelid and the eyeball,
respectively), and the microkeratome or Intralase flap-cutting
laser, that affect patient outcomes - and cause blindness in some
patients (ref. Thomas Tooma med mal case#01CC06832).

though most LASIK patients that have bad outcomes just have
eye pain and refractive error, not blindness.

if you think even the speculum and the suction ring are safe,
ask a LASIK surgeon to demonstrate them by applying those
devices to their own eyes, without doing the surgery.
 

TheNinja

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I know there are risks with LASIK, but I've had it done myself and know at least 6 people. We all love it. Granted, 7 people is not a huge data pool but still, almost everyone I talk to about it loves it. Sure there is a little dry eye, but honestly it's better now than when I got dry eyes with contacts. Now that was horrible.

I do appreciate you bringing this report up though.
 

magomago

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Most of my professors never seemed to advocate or push it hard. We all were more focused on learning to add things to our eyes than cutitng anything. One physics professor 4 years ago went as far as spending an entire lecture dedicated to why we wouldn't cut our cornea and simply let technology (which it is) progress so contacts can be more and more infrequent, etc.
 

larciel

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I personally would never risk losing my eyesight for life.. No offense to blind people but I just can't imagine my life w/out vision.
 

MrsBugi

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Thanks for the report, there's some scary, sad, and sobering info out there from people who have been hurt by the procedure.

I'm considering it myself right now and am in the process of weighing the pros/cons. I have severe astigmatism and am not sure it would be the right choice for me now, or ever. :(
 

RagingBITCH

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It's no different than any other surgery (cosmetic)...there are risks and dangers associated with it. It's no different than any other surgical procedure - there are risks and dangers associated with those, and are just as well hidden.