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BOBDN

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: Fencer128
Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
What a great propaganda tool she was. I'm not blaming her, she's not to fault, but the way everyone tried to use her and fabricated stories to put a heroic face on this war was pathetic.

Whilst I agree with you, it's worth pointing out that in all probability another option exists:

Ironically, if it wasn't for Iraqi's she would be a) dead and b) never found.

c) Still riding in her HUMVEE that was fired on by Iraqi soldiers.

Cheers,

Andy

d) her humvee would never have been in Iraq in the first place if Bush and Co. hadn't lied to start the invasion.

P.S. Private Lynch was brought to a US checkpoint by Iraqi doctors - who were turned back.

If you'll all remember the "war" wasn't going very well at the time Private Lynch and her convoy made the wrong turn. In typical fashion the Bush administration seized upon the misfortune of Private Lynch and her companions to spin yet another lie in order to take attention away from their mistakes relying on people like CkG to believe anything they're told.

It's good to see that I enter into your thoughts :) Who ran wild with the Lynch story? Oh yeah, that's right -the media(and it wasn't just FOX;) ) Oh, and just a quick question - when was the war going "bad"? I seem to remember a certain weekend that a bunch of handwringers were spouting but that hardly resembles going "badly".

Think what you want of me BOBDN but just because I don't scream bloody murder at every little thing doesn't mean that I believe everything I'm told;)

CkG

Hehe - you only believe everything you're told by Bush and Co. ;)
 

rbV5

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Some of the story may have just been an example of mistaken identity, not just a fabrication.
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CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: Fencer128
Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
What a great propaganda tool she was. I'm not blaming her, she's not to fault, but the way everyone tried to use her and fabricated stories to put a heroic face on this war was pathetic.

Whilst I agree with you, it's worth pointing out that in all probability another option exists:

Ironically, if it wasn't for Iraqi's she would be a) dead and b) never found.

c) Still riding in her HUMVEE that was fired on by Iraqi soldiers.

Cheers,

Andy

d) her humvee would never have been in Iraq in the first place if Bush and Co. hadn't lied to start the invasion.

P.S. Private Lynch was brought to a US checkpoint by Iraqi doctors - who were turned back.

If you'll all remember the "war" wasn't going very well at the time Private Lynch and her convoy made the wrong turn. In typical fashion the Bush administration seized upon the misfortune of Private Lynch and her companions to spin yet another lie in order to take attention away from their mistakes relying on people like CkG to believe anything they're told.

It's good to see that I enter into your thoughts :) Who ran wild with the Lynch story? Oh yeah, that's right -the media(and it wasn't just FOX;) ) Oh, and just a quick question - when was the war going "bad"? I seem to remember a certain weekend that a bunch of handwringers were spouting but that hardly resembles going "badly".

Think what you want of me BOBDN but just because I don't scream bloody murder at every little thing doesn't mean that I believe everything I'm told;)

CkG

Hehe - you only believe everything you're told by Bush and Co. ;)

Yeah - you sure have me pegged
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I'm a walking billboard for Bush and look to him for guidance
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Your response seems to be the cut/paste response of most liberal Bush Bashers as of late.

CkG
 

Bowfinger

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Nov 17, 2002
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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: jahawkin
Here's the original WaPo article by steno Sue Schmidt. Note all the refrences to US Officials. Someone or some people at centcom or in the military were pushing this BS. That or Sue Schmidt made all of this up. Seeing as how centcom did nothing to correct the WaPo account at the time, everything points to the government being in on this one.

Here is the story of retraction.

Post editorial on the subject

Seems the Post and others are trying to pin the blame for the misinformation on US military officials according to the article.

After reading as much as I could quickly find in a google search these two were the only 2 that talked about the subject in some detail. However - until the Post can name the official we will never know what the truth was regarding the initial exclusive report. Either it was another journalist trying to stake their claim in the WAR by sensationalizing the story, or a military official leaked info without all the facts, or the conspiracy theory of the Administration serving up the propaganda - or a mixture thereof. We'll never know until we know the source of the story.

CkG
CkG - This may just cause your head to explode, but I can't get worked up about this story. It is standard operating procedure in a military conflict to issue triumphant stories when we rescue POWs and MIAs. People want good news, they want to hear that someone's loved one is safe, they want to hear stories of heroism. It may not always be totally honest, but in my opinion, it's a minor transgression.

There are too many other reasons to damn Bush. (That's just to defuse CkG's head. :D )
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: jahawkin
Here's the original WaPo article by steno Sue Schmidt. Note all the refrences to US Officials. Someone or some people at centcom or in the military were pushing this BS. That or Sue Schmidt made all of this up. Seeing as how centcom did nothing to correct the WaPo account at the time, everything points to the government being in on this one.

Here is the story of retraction.

Post editorial on the subject

Seems the Post and others are trying to pin the blame for the misinformation on US military officials according to the article.

After reading as much as I could quickly find in a google search these two were the only 2 that talked about the subject in some detail. However - until the Post can name the official we will never know what the truth was regarding the initial exclusive report. Either it was another journalist trying to stake their claim in the WAR by sensationalizing the story, or a military official leaked info without all the facts, or the conspiracy theory of the Administration serving up the propaganda - or a mixture thereof. We'll never know until we know the source of the story.

CkG
CkG - This may just cause your head to explode, but I can't get worked up about this story. It is standard operating procedure in a military conflict to issue triumphant stories when we rescue POWs and MIAs. People want good news, they want to hear that someone's loved one is safe, they want to hear stories of heroism. It may not always be totally honest, but in my opinion, it's a minor transgression.

There are too many other reasons to damn Bush. (That's just to defuse CkG's head. :D )

<golf clap> :D

I think it is a non-issue too, but others seem to think that just because it ended up to be wrong it means that Bush did it.

CkG
 

tcsenter

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Here's the original WaPo article by steno Sue Schmidt. Note all the refrences to US Officials. Someone or some people at centcom or in the military were pushing this BS. That or Sue Schmidt made all of this up. Seeing as how centcom did nothing to correct the WaPo account at the time, everything points to the government being in on this one.
Yeah. [anonymous] US Officials said...One [un-named] US Official...an [unknown] officer claimed. Great work uncovering incontrovertible "proof" it came from US Military sources.
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Some of the story may have just been an example of mistaken identity, not just a fabrication.
Hmm, that is actually very interesting.
It's through this report and other sources the Walters think their son's heroics were likely lost in a bad translation of Iraqi radio communications.

"I'm thinking that what was reported, whatever Jessica Lynch did, was (actually) my son. That's what it all points to," said Norman Walters.

"If you recall when they first started talking about Jessica they said she was shot in the leg and stabbed in the stomach. Don was shot in the leg and stabbed in the stomach," said Arlene Walters.

In fact the autopsy said Walters was shot twice in the back. He was shot once in the leg had a dislocated left shoulder and he was stabbed twice in the stomach.

His body was found buried outside the hospital where Jessica Lynch was found alive.
As BaliBabyDoc should be able to attest to, the accounting of events even in public shootings and motor vehicle accidents can change as the story is related from the victims and witnesses to the first responders, from the first responders to the emergency room personnel, from the emergency room personnel to the surgical personnel, and any one of those versions is often different from the one you read about in the newspaper the following day.

Its not at all difficult to believe that someone misinterpreted a frantic radio message. I recall it was reported there was a special forces or reconnaissance unit of some type watching the entire ambush unfold through binoculars but they were a few miles away and could do nothing. So let's say they see one member of the maintenance company fighting back, this reconnaissance unit is relaying this information to command, or a member of the maintenance unit is on the radio calling for help while gun shots are heard in the back ground, someone misinterprets that radio communication because it sounds like there is a fire fight.

Or whatever. There are a few very plausible and believable scenarios.
Lynch's rescue is akin to the emergency transport of a MVC (motor vehicle crash) from a podunk community hospital to a Level 1 trauma center. Granted, I imagine an M-16 might expedite transfer orders from slow poke Nazi clerks.
Hardly. The hospital at which Lynch was held served as an Iraqi military post. Iraqi military units used the basement of the hospital and had cleared-out only a few hours before the rescue. They sent that much firepower in for a reason. That they didn't have to use that firepower is actually not unusual for these kinds of military ops, particularly special forces, who often conduct raids and body-snatches without having to fire a shot. But bring firepower and prepare for battle they do - always.

I wasn't all that moved by the video. It looked not much different from any standard training op to me.
 

BaliBabyDoc

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If the US military took over the basement of one of our hospitals (Main, Women's, Children's, or Neuroscience) . . . it would still be a hospital. All of the people that worked at the hospital tell the same story of providing the best possible care for Lynch given the situation. Even the official Army report notes Lynch's survival is partially attributable to the triage care she received at the Iraqi hospital. The sole person contending she was strapped to a table, writhing in pain, and being slapped by Iraqi interrogators is now a fellow at a DC-area think tank and a US citizen in the making. I would further tarnish him with the label of lawyer but some lawyers actually tell the truth.

The US sent overwelming firepower in b/c 1) they wanted to win by intimidation . . . which is reasonable and 2) they were operating based on intelligence from the aforementioned Iraqi informant. According to US forces everything was just like he described . . . except no one in the hospital fought back . . . b/c most of the armed presence had fled . . . leaving primarily healthcare workers . . . you know the people that work in hospitals.

Considering the injuries Lynch received it was the vital care of those hospital workers . . . that kept Lynch alive. The made-for-TV but not staged-for-TV rescue is what the military and government focused on . . . but the people who made the greatest difference work in a rundown hospital in Iraq.

As for the rescue footage . . . how often did you view it without hearing someone from CentCom, FOX mouthpiece, CNN plebe, or MSNBC sycophant? Even those of us with sharp minds can be swayed when you get the right spin.
 

jahawkin

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Originally posted by: tcsenter
Yeah. [anonymous] US Officials said...One [un-named] US Official...an [unknown] officer claimed. Great work uncovering incontrovertible "proof" it came from US Military sources.
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This was the middle of the war. 50% of the news stories were based only on info from "US Officials."
 

tcsenter

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The US sent overwelming firepower in b/c 1) they wanted to win by intimidation . . . which is reasonable and 2) they were operating based on intelligence from the aforementioned Iraqi informant. According to US forces everything was just like he described . . . except no one in the hospital fought back . . . b/c most of the armed presence had fled . . . leaving primarily healthcare workers . . . you know the people that work in hospitals.
And even had they not been operating based on the intelligence from the Iraqi informant, they surely wouldn't have walked in unarmed dressed in civies and informed the nearest desk clerk "Hi, I'm here to take Pvt Lynch home, the American soldier who was captured and is a patient here? If you could have her brought round front, I'd be grateful."

They would have went in exactly the same manner carrying all the same gear. It was more than a hospital, it was a hospital in a foreign country which enemy troops were using as a regional command post. Of course US forces didn't expect to take fire from doctors and nurses. Is that who you think they brought all those guns for?
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As for the rescue footage . . . how often did you view it without hearing someone from CentCom, FOX mouthpiece, CNN plebe, or MSNBC sycophant? Even those of us with sharp minds can be swayed when you get the right spin.
I've seen it twice with some analyst explaining to me what I was seeing. I believe one was David Grange, the former Army Ranger commander, now CNN analyst and 'go-to' guy for All Things Special Forces. It looked rather uneventful as I recall.

These kinds of things are always dramatic because, well, its an inherently dramatic thing for highly trained professional warriors to storm a building with guns, if even uneventful.