Army Sniper Brought To Justice

[Robor]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Sinsear
You really get off on hating the military don't you?

You see nothing wrong with baiting civilians, planting evidence and kill count quotas?

They're doing their absolute best to earn that hatred.

Very similar tactics are used to generate revenue (tickets) by law enforcement so why be surprised when it happens in the military?

Yah, cause setting a speed trap really is almost the same as murdering an innocent person in cold blood from 500 yards. Nice analogy. :roll:

I was being sarcastic.

I agree with jpeyton's dislike of the war but I do not share his dislike for the troops. IMO the blame is in the wrong place.

Sorry my sarcasm meter is in the shop today

In fairness I should have followed it with a or or

 

[thraashman]

Note that the article indicates that there were several killings cause by that unit that were unrelated to this incident. It makes mention of other men in the unit that were tried and not convicted of other killings, plural. Meaning this unit at the least has had several questionable actions. I don't doubt this soldier was telling the truth about kill quotas and bating. That's one thing I hate about the military. Despite the fact that everyone hopes soldiers would do the right thing over what they're ordered to do, I've seen alot that indicates the military does its best to crush dissenting and free thought from its soldiers.

I talked to a friend's brother right out of boot camp who mentioned that at the end they were made to watch a video that said stuff like "an Army man is a christian man"

I've known and met far too many brainwashed military people who think the military can do no wrong. I like to be optimistic and hope that the military holds itself to a high standard, but historical evidence has shown a tendency to cover up horrible acts if they'd hurt the image of the military.

 

[Skitzer]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

In a wild west country like Iraq, this sniper was unlucky enough to get caught. I firmly believe our soldiers over there kill without merit or scrutiny because they know they can get away with it.

You firmly believe this? You are an absolute fool!
You make me sick with your military hatred. And it's not this one thread ..... most of your threads are just as demeaning to our men and women who are fighting over there under intense and stressful situations. Tell me, where did this hatred come from?
There is a lot more I would like to say to you but I'm too upset at your comments to continue.

Proud to have served 22 years in the US Military 1972 - 1995

 

[maddogchen]

Originally posted by: thraashman
Note that the article indicates that there were several killings cause by that unit that were unrelated to this incident. It makes mention of other men in the unit that were tried and not convicted of other killings, plural. Meaning this unit at the least has had several questionable actions. I don't doubt this soldier was telling the truth about kill quotas and bating. That's one thing I hate about the military. Despite the fact that everyone hopes soldiers would do the right thing over what they're ordered to do, I've seen alot that indicates the military does its best to crush dissenting and free thought from its soldiers.

I talked to a friend's brother right out of boot camp who mentioned that at the end they were made to watch a video that said stuff like "an Army man is a christian man"

I've known and met far too many brainwashed military people who think the military can do no wrong. I like to be optimistic and hope that the military holds itself to a high standard, but historical evidence has shown a tendency to cover up horrible acts if they'd hurt the image of the military.

I have doubts about the guy. I'm not saying he's lying about it but his credibility is doubtful.

So you believe a soldier who has already confessed that he lied before? That even though he has lied before, has reason to lie again because he is on trial and lying and misdirection and saying how the Army is putting pressure on them to get things done could help his case. You have no doubt he's telling the truth here?

Thats just dumb. He has motive to lie, he has lied before, so far there haven't been Army snipers coming out to complain that the Army is pressuring them to bait and kill Iraqis that are not involved in this case. But yet you believe this guy absolutely? And you are saying the military personel have been brainwashed? So who brainwashed you then?

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Skitzer
You firmly believe this? You are an absolute fool!
You make me sick with your military hatred. And it's not this one thread ..... most of your threads are just as demeaning to our men and women who are fighting over there under intense and stressful situations. Tell me, where did this hatred come from?
There is a lot more I would like to say to you but I'm too upset at your comments to continue.

Proud to have served 22 years in the US Military 1972 - 1995

Pay no attention to OP. He's a well known kook who believes 9/11 was an inside job, amongst other "Super Top Secret" moonbat conspiracy theories.

And Thank You for your service to this country. :thumbsup:

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: PabsterAnd Thank You for your service to this country. :thumbsup:

:thumbsup:

 

[datalink7]

Originally posted by: yuppiejr

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Even in the US, the percentage of criminals caught by the justice system are a small percentage of the total.

In a wild west country like Iraq, this sniper was unlucky enough to get caught. I firmly believe our soldiers over there kill without merit or scrutiny because they know they can get away with it.

Which is why my Platoon has killed zero civilians in the year we've been over her. Where do you get this sh!t? I mean, honestly. Oh wait, I know... from safely behind your keyboard :roll:

You really have no clue what goes on over here. You have no clue what kind of people comprise the army. You just have no clue in general.

Thank you for your service, I've been stewing about how to respond to this guy but I think your words have far more impact. Stay safe, sounds like you guys are making real progress over there (I just had lunch with a Captain from the Red Bulls that just returned from a tour - "amazing" what the press isn't reporting) - keep up the good work!

Thank you for your support.

Like I've said before, I welcome debate on the war. I won't jump in argueing people shouldn't be talking about whether the war is a good cause or not, because that is a perfectly acceptable opinion. I don't think you're unpatriotic because you don't support the war.

It's when people like the OP who spout off on what they cannot possibly know about unless they were actually in country that I try to say something. It's one thing to have an opinion on something. It's another to do what the OP does.

Note that the article indicates that there were several killings cause by that unit that were unrelated to this incident. It makes mention of other men in the unit that were tried and not convicted of other killings, plural. Meaning this unit at the least has had several questionable actions. I don't doubt this soldier was telling the truth about kill quotas and bating. That's one thing I hate about the military. Despite the fact that everyone hopes soldiers would do the right thing over what they're ordered to do, I've seen alot that indicates the military does its best to crush dissenting and free thought from its soldiers.

I talked to a friend's brother right out of boot camp who mentioned that at the end they were made to watch a video that said stuff like "an Army man is a christian man"

I've known and met far too many brainwashed military people who think the military can do no wrong. I like to be optimistic and hope that the military holds itself to a high standard, but historical evidence has shown a tendency to cover up horrible acts if they'd hurt the image of the military.

*This is better post than the OPs

thraashman,

Some things I can maybe address for you

1. Asking a friend's brother right out of boot camp is a bad idea as to gauge someone's brainwashing. Part of the point of boot camp or basic training is to brainwash you in order to get you to act as a cohesive unit. After you get out and start going to other schools/your unit, they start teaching you to be a leader and to think.

2. I don't know about "an Army man is a christian man" thing. That is wrong in my opinion and doesn't happen a lot (it isn't supposed to). Honestly if that got reported it would get squashed.

3. I've been in Iraq 12 months now, and I've worked with snipers, and I've never heard of a "kill quota."

4. In terms of baiting. I know that my unit doesn't do it. However, the person picking up that weapon (bait or not) is doing something illegal according to Iraqi law. So it isn't quite the "killing of innocent people" like some would say. Once you pick up the illegal weapon, you aren't innocent anymore are you? Not argueing for or against the tactic, just saying.

5. Every time you shoot someone, even an obvious enemy, you are investigated. Yes therer is even an investigation if you killed someone as they fired and RPG at you. Sometimes the press picks up on this as a lot of soliders are "under investigation" for killings.

Now you don't have to believe me or not. Just offering my thoughts and viewpoints.

Any other questions let me know.

 

[piasabird]

Dont we do the same thing to catch drug dealers and drug addicts?