Army recruiting station attacked in Arkansas

[AreaCode707]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: AreaCode707

Originally posted by: MotF Bane
Here's a novel concept: you get crazies from either side. It proves NOTHING.

This. Although I think that was the OP's point; the other thread had the lefties pointing at the righties and crying "you horrible crazies!" This may possibly be a good example of the reverse, although there currently is no information about the shooter so it's entirely possible that the OP's illustration of the point could backfire. Although it remains valid.

Without data any speculation is pointless.

Even it did turn out that a Leftist group was responsible for this it would be wrong to generalize. Heaven knows there are enough violent militant groups from both left and right throughout the world, however most people are sane and non violent. This guy isn't representative of the left if he's part of it.

Absolutely agreed; that's a better restatement of what I was trying to say.

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: bbdub333
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,523860,00.html

DEVELOPING: A gunman opened fire Monday at an army recruitment center in Little Rock, Ark., killing one army recruiter and seriously wounding another, FOX16.com reported.

A man in a black SUV drove to the recruitment office and began shooting at around 10:19 a.m., a spokesman with the Little Rock police department told FOX News.

The suspect, who immediately fled the scene, was later apprehended approximately four miles from the center with an assault rifle in his vehicle.

Little Rock authorities detected a "suspicious device" inside the vehicle and called a bomb squad to the scene, according to FOX16.com.

Ironic how this comes after so many comments in the abortion doctor thread stating that right-wing activists use violence against people and left-wing activists use non-violent protest.

They apprehended the suspect, so hopefully we'll soon know what his motives were.

How do you know this was a political thing at all? Perhaps the guy's brother or sister was killed in Iraq and he blames the army.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
I'm at work but do we know a motive or are we just assuming this is a left wing thing?

I could have asked that regarding the dead abortion doctor. Gee, was it his profession that gave it away?

 

[PricklyPete]

Originally posted by: MotF Bane
Here's a novel concept: you get crazies from either side. It proves NOTHING.

I think that is exactly what he was trying to "prove".

 

[daishi5]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: bbdub333

Ironic how this comes after so many comments in the abortion doctor thread stating that right-wing activists use violence against people and left-wing activists use non-violent protest.

They apprehended the suspect, so hopefully we'll soon know what his motives were.

Why is it ironic? All the story at your link or any other I've found says is that the shooter is identified only as "a man in a black SUV" and that he fired "several shots" with an assault rifle.

What evidence do you have that he was a "left-wing activist?"

Regardless of the shooter's motive, what makes you think libs would find this shooting is any more or less acceptable than the shooting of the doctor who performed abortions?

The only thing we know, so far, is that it strengthens the case for banning assault weapons. :thumbsup:

Why does it strengthen the case for the banning of assault weapons? What functionality of the assault weapons enabled this crime that a gun without a bayonet mount would have been unable to accomplish? In other words, if we changed that "assault weapon" into a non assault weapon (maybe painted it brown and removed its barrel shroud) would the assault have been less successful? Just because he used the weapon does not mean there are not fully functional substitutes on the market, and the last assault weapon ban did nothing to curb crime:

Should it be renewed, the ban?s effects on gun violence are likely to be small at best and perhaps too small for reliable measurement. AWs were rarely used in gun crimes even before the ban.

source

An Updated Assessment of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban: Impacts on Gun Markets and
Gun Violence, 1994-2003
Report to the National Institute of Justice,
United States Department of Justice
(Executive Summary)

 

[lupi]

guess the DHS should have made more studies on those extremist progressive terrorist.

 

[Uhtrinity]

Originally posted by: her209
I thought "left wing activists" were anti-gun?

Ever think might not be a left / right issue, but could have been a recruit that was rejected or screwed over? Most recruiters rank right up there with used car salesmen. I know from personal experience how deceitful they can be.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: bbdub333
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,523860,00.html

DEVELOPING: A gunman opened fire Monday at an army recruitment center in Little Rock, Ark., killing one army recruiter and seriously wounding another, FOX16.com reported.

A man in a black SUV drove to the recruitment office and began shooting at around 10:19 a.m., a spokesman with the Little Rock police department told FOX News.

The suspect, who immediately fled the scene, was later apprehended approximately four miles from the center with an assault rifle in his vehicle.

Little Rock authorities detected a "suspicious device" inside the vehicle and called a bomb squad to the scene, according to FOX16.com.

Ironic how this comes after so many comments in the abortion doctor thread stating that right-wing activists use violence against people and left-wing activists use non-violent protest.

They apprehended the suspect, so hopefully we'll soon know what his motives were.

When you see everything through "Left-wing activist" glasses, you don't surprise us by blaming something on left-wing activists.

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: bbdub333
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,523860,00.html

DEVELOPING: A gunman opened fire Monday at an army recruitment center in Little Rock, Ark., killing one army recruiter and seriously wounding another, FOX16.com reported.

A man in a black SUV drove to the recruitment office and began shooting at around 10:19 a.m., a spokesman with the Little Rock police department told FOX News.

The suspect, who immediately fled the scene, was later apprehended approximately four miles from the center with an assault rifle in his vehicle.

Little Rock authorities detected a "suspicious device" inside the vehicle and called a bomb squad to the scene, according to FOX16.com.

Ironic how this comes after so many comments in the abortion doctor thread stating that right-wing activists use violence against people and left-wing activists use non-violent protest.

They apprehended the suspect, so hopefully we'll soon know what his motives were.

How do you know this was a political thing at all? Perhaps the guy's brother or sister was killed in Iraq and he blames the army.

Perhaps he's "fightin' 'em over here, so he won't have to fight 'em over there."

The past couple of days have been shameful.

We have a physician who was fulfilling his obligation to patients, legally and ethically, shot down by a nut-case "freedom" loving "pro-life" guy. At this point, you can read any competent story about this creep and see that he was anything but a pinko commie atheist.

Now we have a couple of recruiters getting shot down, and judging from the comment sections on the articles I've read online, the "pro-military" and "patriotic conservative" folks have invented, based on NO info whatsoever, this narrative:

A black guy (Obama supporter) shot US military recruiters (clearly the Obama supporter is a liberal leftie America-hating pinko) with an assault rifle (probably not really an automatic weapon, but hey, doing the whole "machine gun" confusion dance" sounds more scary when the leftie libs are armed to the teeth and stuff). Yeah, and don't you forget that those pinko peace-niks want to take away your guns, so that they can... um... have them for themselves... Oh yeah, this is probably in retaliation too! ...given that the ...um

Yeah, that's the ticket!

Pinko leftie commie peace-nik liberal Obama supporters want to take your guns and be all anti-gun and unpatriotic so that they can hoard said guns and usher in a new fascist-communist-socialist state run by the re-animated corpse of Trotsky. Yeah, that's the ticket!

Seriously guys, I think we should all let the gaps in the story get filled by the "liberal" and "FOX" media, so that we can discuss what really happened here. The entire "liberal vs. conservative" dialogue is making us all stupid, and it's ruining our country.

At this point, with so little real information about the suspect, all I do is express my condolences to the family of the slain recruiter, and offer my prayers to the family of the one who is fighting for his life right now.

You guys can spin this awful incident all you want, but I hope that you realize you're only drilling yourself deeper below the level of a salvageable, reasonable discourse we should be having about this in the next few days.

 

[fallout man]

dp

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
I'm at work but do we know a motive or are we just assuming this is a left wing thing?

ROP :Q

Some more news:

Little Rock Police say Abulhakin Muhammad...

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
I'm at work but do we know a motive or are we just assuming this is a left wing thing?

ROP :Q

Some more news:

Little Rock Police say Abulhakin Muhammad...

Prison convert?

 

[compuwiz1]

Nope. Muslim convert

Had a feeling it was gonna be something like this.

Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad -- a 24-year-old Little Rock resident formerly known as Carlos Bledsoe -- faces a first-degree murder charge and 15 counts of engaging in a terrorist act, Little Rock Police Chief Stuart Thomas said. The terrorist counts stem from the shots fired at an occupied building. While authorities continued to investigate a motive, Thomas said Muhammad is a Muslim convert and, based on preliminary interviews with him, investigators believe there were "political and religious motives" in the shooting.

More of radical Muslim agenda. :|

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
I'm at work but do we know a motive or are we just assuming this is a left wing thing?

ROP :Q

Some more news:

Little Rock Police say Abulhakin Muhammad...

Without knowing the whole story the OP insinuated this was the work of a 'left-wing activist'.

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
I'm at work but do we know a motive or are we just assuming this is a left wing thing?

ROP :Q

Some more news:

Little Rock Police say Abulhakin Muhammad...

Without knowing the whole story the OP insinuated this was the work of a 'left-wing activist'.

Was Bill Ayers involved? Didn't you hear? All democrats are secret muslim terrorists... ...!!!1

Carlos-->Abdulhakin Mujahid, Bledsoe-->Muhammad?

This is getting interesting.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: fallout man

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
I'm at work but do we know a motive or are we just assuming this is a left wing thing?

ROP :Q

Some more news:

Little Rock Police say Abulhakin Muhammad...

Without knowing the whole story the OP insinuated this was the work of a 'left-wing activist'.

Didn't you hear? All democrats are secret muslim terrorists... ...!!!1

Not all. The only one we're certain of is the ones in the white house. :laugh:

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
I'm at work but do we know a motive or are we just assuming this is a left wing thing?

ROP :Q

Some more news:

Little Rock Police say Abulhakin Muhammad...

Rightwing radical muslims couldn't allow the rightwing radical christians take all the headlines, now could they :|

Op + Lupi are morons for insinuating this guy was a 'progressive' though, no surprise there.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
I'm at work but do we know a motive or are we just assuming this is a left wing thing?

ROP :Q

Some more news:

Little Rock Police say Abulhakin Muhammad...

Rightwing radical muslims couldn't allow the rightwing radical christians take all the headlines, now could they :|

Op + Lupi are morons for insinuating this guy was a 'progressive' though, no surprise there.

Try lithium.

 

[Hacp]

So which celebrity was it? The dixie chicks or Branjelena?

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Hacp
So which celebrity was it? The dixie chicks or Branjelena?

:laugh:

The right is just projecting... they were hoping it was some birkenstock wearing hippie doing a drive-by in his toyota prius.

Which would never make sense considering the left's stance on guns and violence

 

[Sacrilege]

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Nope. Muslim convert

Had a feeling it was gonna be something like this.

Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad -- a 24-year-old Little Rock resident formerly known as Carlos Bledsoe -- faces a first-degree murder charge and 15 counts of engaging in a terrorist act, Little Rock Police Chief Stuart Thomas said. The terrorist counts stem from the shots fired at an occupied building. While authorities continued to investigate a motive, Thomas said Muhammad is a Muslim convert and, based on preliminary interviews with him, investigators believe there were "political and religious motives" in the shooting.

More of radical Muslim agenda. :|

A conservative fundamentalist Muslim.

Not a pinko atheist librul.

I seem to recall a study indicating conservatives have problems with analogies.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: bbdub333

My comment is in reply to such statements as:

Originally posted by: Phokus
Most leftwing 'terrorists' will target a housing development or a hummer dealership (for example) when no people are around. The rightwing terrorists (whether here or abroad) will always resort to violence.

As ignorant a comment as that was, mine is made somewhat in jest.

Considering the serious nature of the topic, so much for the idea that you have any sense of humor. :roll:

There is nothing funny about Phokus as proven here.

I just read your link to see what you're talking about, and it looks like your comment is nonsensical.

Phokus posted a series of quotes from people who hold views friendly to this shooting to show they exist, and referenced the DHS report on homegrown right-wing terrorists.

Nothing he said was intended to be funny, and none of it appears to fit your insinuation that his posts were some sort of indication he's such a menace it's not funny.

It appears to me that you irrationally strongly overreacted to his posts. You can disagree with him about how widespread that faction is, but your personal attacks are irrational.

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: bbdub333

My comment is in reply to such statements as:

Originally posted by: Phokus
Most leftwing 'terrorists' will target a housing development or a hummer dealership (for example) when no people are around. The rightwing terrorists (whether here or abroad) will always resort to violence.

As ignorant a comment as that was, mine is made somewhat in jest.

Considering the serious nature of the topic, so much for the idea that you have any sense of humor. :roll:

There is nothing funny about Phokus as proven here.

I just read your link to see what you're talking about, and it looks like your comment is nonsensical.

Phokus posted a series of quotes from people who hold views friendly to this shooting to show they exist, and referenced the DHS report on homegrown right-wing terrorists.

Nothing he said was intended to be funny, and none of it appears to fit your insinuation that his posts were some sort of indication he's such a menace it's not funny.

It appears to me that you irrationally strongly overreacted to his posts. You can disagree with him about how widespread that faction is, but your personal attacks are irrational.

Not a whole lot is funny when you're the butt of the jokes.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: Phokus

Rightwing radical muslims couldn't allow the rightwing radical christians take all the headlines, now could they :|

Op + Lupi are morons for insinuating this guy was a 'progressive' though, no surprise there.

Try lithium.

What's with your hatred of Phokus?

Someone posted a story about the shooting of the military recruiters, and Phokus compared the mindset of the shooters in the two cases of that and the abortion doctor..

Then he criticized anyone who says the shooter in this case - whose motives are unknown - where all we know is his Muslim-sounding name was a 'progressive' political act.

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: Phokus

Rightwing radical muslims couldn't allow the rightwing radical christians take all the headlines, now could they :|

Op + Lupi are morons for insinuating this guy was a 'progressive' though, no surprise there.

Try lithium.

What's with your hatred of Phokus?

Someone posted a story about the shooting of the military recruiters, and Phokus compared the mindset of the shooters in the two cases of that and the abortion doctor..

Then he criticized anyone who says the shooter in this case - whose motives are unknown - where all we know is his Muslim-sounding name was a 'progressive' political act.

He's right, and you are acting nuts with your personal attacks.

I'm not going to say there aren't people who will act violently on their 'progressive' political agenda; there are. In the 1970's, we had a good number, if you stretch the definition of 'progressive', such as the Weather Underground. While the left also has an especially strong non-violence tradition - MLK on the left led non-violence, the freedom riders did not resist while their opponents beat them - there is the potential for violence.

But there's no indication that THIS case involved a 'progressive' agenda. We don't have the facts - and the facts we do have point another direction is likely.

So he was right to say the comments were way off-base.

I could make a case that the right has a lot bigger violence problem, from our main domestic terrorist act in decades being a right-wing conspiracy, to militias being almost entirely right-wing organizations, to the anti-abortion violence, to the anecdotal incidents usually involving right-wing killers like the guy who shot up a Universalist Church because he couldn't get to the liberal leaders named in his right-wing commentators' books, while the radical left tends to - as Phokus said - target property (e.g., animal lab destruction), to chain themselves to trees, to protest non-violently, to ride boats harassing whaling ships, etc., but I do think there is a potential for a left-wing violent movement to grow, just as our founding fathers turned to violence, if the right were to provoke it, so I won't use that argument.

Instead, I'll just note that the posters were baseless to say this shooting was a progressive political act, Phokus was right to say so, and Hyabusa was wrong to attack Phokus for it.

Again. I'd like you to either justify your personal attacks by showing how his posts warrant them, or see you withdraw the attacks and preferably come to your senses and apologize.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
I'm at work but do we know a motive or are we just assuming this is a left wing thing?

fox/limbaugh etc. are praying it is.

If he really is a mooslim terrorist the wingnuts in the hills of Pakistan and Texas sure have a lot to rejoice over these past few days.