Army recruiter threatens 19 year old with arrest

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Military recruiters are some of the worst people I have ever had the displeasure of dealing with. I know, they are recruiters, they have a job to do. And I know they are getting pressure from the higher ups to increase numbers. That still doesn't make all the bullsh!t they do ok.

I'm only 21, so I remember my high school graduation pretty well, and the various groups trying to get me to join. Colleges tried pretty hard, frats tried a little harder, but the recruitment from the military was insane. I don't know what the hell they are smoking, but they really need to stop.

One tried to call here to speak with my graduating daughter. I told him to go fvck himself, my kid is going to an excellent college and I'm paying for it and he can kiss my ass. It was fun, especially being prior service.

Many armies have employed coercive measures throughout history to gather recruits.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: arsbanned

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Military recruiters are some of the worst people I have ever had the displeasure of dealing with. I know, they are recruiters, they have a job to do. And I know they are getting pressure from the higher ups to increase numbers. That still doesn't make all the bullsh!t they do ok.

I'm only 21, so I remember my high school graduation pretty well, and the various groups trying to get me to join. Colleges tried pretty hard, frats tried a little harder, but the recruitment from the military was insane. I don't know what the hell they are smoking, but they really need to stop.

One tried to call here to speak with my graduating daughter. I told him to go fvck himself, my kid is going to an excellent college and I'm paying for it and he can kiss my ass. It was fun, especially being prior service.

Many armies have employed coercive measures throughout history to gather recruits.

Did you really tell him to go f' himself? What did he say? Please give more conversational detail in transcript format.

 

[WiseOldDude]

I read on another forum where a father was about to take his daughter down to the recruiter to stop the constant phone calls, even though he had told the recruiter his daughter was not interested, it didn't make any different.

His daughter? Well she is a recent high school graduate, who is confined to a power wheel chair, cannot speak, and wears a diaper because she has no control of her bowels or bladder.

 

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: arsbanned

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Military recruiters are some of the worst people I have ever had the displeasure of dealing with. I know, they are recruiters, they have a job to do. And I know they are getting pressure from the higher ups to increase numbers. That still doesn't make all the bullsh!t they do ok.

I'm only 21, so I remember my high school graduation pretty well, and the various groups trying to get me to join. Colleges tried pretty hard, frats tried a little harder, but the recruitment from the military was insane. I don't know what the hell they are smoking, but they really need to stop.

One tried to call here to speak with my graduating daughter. I told him to go fvck himself, my kid is going to an excellent college and I'm paying for it and he can kiss my ass. It was fun, especially being prior service.

Many armies have employed coercive measures throughout history to gather recruits.

Did you really tell him to go f' himself? What did he say? Please give more conversational detail in transcript format.

No, not directly. My youngest was in earshot. Here's basically how it went:

"Hi, is X there?"

"Who's calling?"

"This is Sgt. blahdumbassmumble, Army Recruitmublemumblemumble..."

"Oh yeah, well guess what, you can't talk to her."

"Do you want to deny your daughter a great opportunity...mumblemumble?"

"She's going to a top school, you really think I'd send her off to get killed in George Bush's stupid war?"

"Well, sir, mumblemumblewoof woof woof mumble"

"Yeah, well, do not call this number again, do you understand? Have a nice day."

*CLICK*
It's one of Bush's new laws that provided my phone number to the recruiters (unless you officially opt out the school will hand out the info). Prior to No Child Left Behind only names and addresses were provided (presumably for mailed materials).
Anyway, nothing too exciting, just a nice opportunity to thumb my nose at the military industrial complex.

 

[Infohawk]

Did you have to ask the recruiter to identify himself before he did so? If so, that is rude and sinister.

The recruiter in the OP should do some jail time. It's not just a simple misunderstanding, but a complete mispresentation of power. Like someone claiming to be a cop. Imagine if the kid went, signed up, and died because of that lie.

 

[arsbanned]

Oh yeah, he certainly didn't want to be forthright with an experienced parent. It felt sinister.

OTOH, the recruiters are under tremendous pressure from above to sign people. I have read that suicides among recruiters are way up.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: arsbanned

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: arsbanned

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Military recruiters are some of the worst people I have ever had the displeasure of dealing with. I know, they are recruiters, they have a job to do. And I know they are getting pressure from the higher ups to increase numbers. That still doesn't make all the bullsh!t they do ok.

I'm only 21, so I remember my high school graduation pretty well, and the various groups trying to get me to join. Colleges tried pretty hard, frats tried a little harder, but the recruitment from the military was insane. I don't know what the hell they are smoking, but they really need to stop.

One tried to call here to speak with my graduating daughter. I told him to go fvck himself, my kid is going to an excellent college and I'm paying for it and he can kiss my ass. It was fun, especially being prior service.

Many armies have employed coercive measures throughout history to gather recruits.

Did you really tell him to go f' himself? What did he say? Please give more conversational detail in transcript format.

No, not directly. My youngest was in earshot. Here's basically how it went:

"Hi, is X there?"

"Who's calling?"

"This is Sgt. blahdumbassmumble, Army Recruitmublemumblemumble..."

"Oh yeah, well guess what, you can't talk to her."

"Do you want to deny your daughter a great opportunity...mumblemumble?"

"She's going to a top school, you really think I'd send her off to get killed in George Bush's stupid war?"

"Well, sir, mumblemumblewoof woof woof mumble"

"Yeah, well, do not call this number again, do you understand? Have a nice day."

*CLICK*
It's one of Bush's new laws that provided my phone number to the recruiters (unless you officially opt out the school will hand out the info). Prior to No Child Left Behind only names and addresses were provided (presumably for mailed materials).
Anyway, nothing too exciting, just a nice opportunity to thumb my nose at the military industrial complex.

OWNED!

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: arsbanned
Oh yeah, he certainly didn't want to be forthright with an experienced parent. It felt sinister.

OTOH, the recruiters are under tremendous pressure from above to sign people. I have read that suicides among recruiters are way up.

The recruiter shouldn't be tried unless it can be shown that their actions were truly independent. If they are essentially 'following orders' (as the 'this is a normal strategy' statement form the military supports, if not confirms) then it is someone or several people higher up who should be standing trial.

 

[jjzelinski]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: arsbanned
Oh yeah, he certainly didn't want to be forthright with an experienced parent. It felt sinister.

OTOH, the recruiters are under tremendous pressure from above to sign people. I have read that suicides among recruiters are way up.

The recruiter shouldn't be tried unless it can be shown that their actions were truly independent. If they are essentially 'following orders' (as the 'this is a normal strategy' statement form the military supports, if not confirms) then it is someone or several people higher up who should be standing trial.

Can't say I totally agree with this one, under the UCMJ it is in fact unlawful to follow an unlawful order.

 

[WiseOldDude]

Originally posted by: jjzelinski


Can't say I totally agree with this one, under the UCMJ it is in fact unlawful to follow an unlawful order.

For those that have not been in the military or exposed through family members, the UCMJ is the "Uniform Code of Military Justice" and applies to all branches of service.

 

[jjzelinski]

Or as us in teh know call it, the "Uckmej"

 

[WalkingDead]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
The Army could recruit at gunpoint and herd all these new "recruits" into a train car and the neocons in this forum would just love it.

"One rifle for every two men! Deserters will be shot!"


Maybe the Neo-Cons here are not answering because they're all went fighting in Iraq......oh wait they're not....they rather want someone else to die for thier cause. A true sight of cowardice.

 

[MadRat]

Threatening to arrest is definitely within the boundaries of making terroristic threats over the wire and falls well within exisitng federal law. The government cracking down on one of its own is too good to be true.

OT-

I find most neocons in real life to be of 1 of 2 categories.

Category A is mainly a large pool of fat lazy, middle-aged bastards who drive SUV's and don't have a clue about the repercussions of their political dogma other than they will be able to continue to live their unashamed lifestyle built on the blood and toil of people that actually deserve it. That, and they tend to like staring/drooling over teenage girls.

The younger Category B neocons, boy and girl alike, tend to be riding the fad of current political movement. Most of them ride mommy and daddy's coattails in their current job and couldn't muster an ounce of creativity if it was beating them upside the head. They tend to drool over anyone that shows an ounce of power. Did I mention they tend to be the offspring of category A?

America has a real division right now. 80% of the population is being driven by the 50.1% of the 40% whom actually register to vote. And the other 20% is out of touch with ethics, principles, and morals although they tend to do exponentially more than their fair share of preaching them.

 

[Jon855]

Hmmies, now only if I were "not" deaf and I would be signing up right away, but on the light of this thread, I think it's a funny thing... Oh for you who bash at Bush, it is not all his fault, as the congress and all of the people working for the president is telling him to sign this and this and that and there and here. It's not exactly something you would just understand, and yeah I failed America Politics.

 

[conjur]

The deserters: Awol crisis hits the US forces
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=638635

As the death toll of troops mounts in Iraq and Afghanistan, America's military recruiting figures have plummeted to an all-time low. Thousands of US servicemen and women are now refusing to serve their country. Andrew Buncombe reports

Hundreds of conscientious objectors showing up.

History repeats itself yet again.

That's what happens when war is waged based upon ideology.

 

[piasabird]

Hmm. . . .

Has there ever been a war that was not based on Idealogy???

What exactly does this mean?

Obviously you dont go to jail if you have not been sworn into the Army yet.

I can see how a recruiter may be stressed out but this is a little extreme!

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Hmm. . . .

Has there ever been a war that was not based on Idealogy???

What exactly does this mean?

We've entered wars as defensive maneuvers (WWI, WWII)

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: jjzelinski

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: arsbanned
Oh yeah, he certainly didn't want to be forthright with an experienced parent. It felt sinister.

OTOH, the recruiters are under tremendous pressure from above to sign people. I have read that suicides among recruiters are way up.

The recruiter shouldn't be tried unless it can be shown that their actions were truly independent. If they are essentially 'following orders' (as the 'this is a normal strategy' statement form the military supports, if not confirms) then it is someone or several people higher up who should be standing trial.

Can't say I totally agree with this one, under the UCMJ it is in fact unlawful to follow an unlawful order.

And that's why, when given an unlawful order, you request to have it in writing.

 

[StageLeft]

lol

 

[Laughalot]

Personal experience tells me that recruiters have always been a bit shady, no matter who is in office.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Laughalot
Personal experience tells me that recruiters have always been a bit shady, no matter who is in office.

I think the point of this thread is that the recuriters are sinking to new lows to recurit people because soilders aren't re-enlisting. Especially the National Guard.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Taejin
Funny how none of the retards supporting the war are answering this particular little issue.

A nice "that is wrong" would suffice.

That is wrong.


(I do count as a retard, right?)

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Laughalot
Personal experience tells me that recruiters have always been a bit shady, no matter who is in office.

So true, although I'm sure there are plenty of honest recruiters. I was lied to by a recruiter during the *gasp* Clinton administration. Sometimes recruiters step over the line and sometimes they don't follow through with promises they make. When that happens and the recruiter is "caught" at it -they are removed.

CsG

 

[WiseOldDude]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Laughalot
Personal experience tells me that recruiters have always been a bit shady, no matter who is in office.

So true, although I'm sure there are plenty of honest recruiters. I was lied to by a recruiter during the *gasp* Clinton administration. Sometimes recruiters step over the line and sometimes they don't follow through with promises they make. When that happens and the recruiter is "caught" at it -they are removed.

CsG

Being lied to is one thing, and remember he is a salesman, and how do you tell if a salesman is lying; his lips are moving.

Being threatened with arrest is a completely different level, and criminal (communicating threats over telephone, mail, etc.)

 

[Train]

I find it hard to believe he was serious.

My recruiter called me one day (after I had been draggin ass on signing up) and told me he was gonna come to my house and break my legs if I didnt come in and sign some paperwork. I thought it was hilarious. The next day I was taking the asvab and getting a physical, left for boot 2 months later.