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Army lowers recruiting standards to meet quotas.

5to1baby1in5

Golden Member
Intelligent people don't seem to want to sign up for a war we can't win.

At least they still require a HS Diploma. Just smart enough (but not too smart).

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WASHINGTON - The U.S. Army recruited more than 2,600 soldiers under new lower aptitude standards this year, helping the service beat its goal of 80,000 recruits in the throes of an unpopular war and mounting casualties.

The recruiting mark comes a year after the Army missed its recruitment target by the widest margin since 1979, which had triggered a boost in the number of recruiters, increased bonuses, and changes in standards.

The Army recruited 80,635 soldiers, roughly 7,000 more than last year. Of those, about 70,000 were first-time recruits who had never served before.

According to statistics obtained by The Associated Press, 3.8 percent of the first-time recruits scored below certain aptitude levels. In previous years, the Army had allowed only 2 percent of its recruits to have low aptitude scores. That limit was increased last year to 4 percent, the maximum allowed by the Defense Department.

All high school graduates
The Army said all the recruits with low scores had received high school diplomas. In a written statement, the Army said good test scores do not necessarily equate to quality soldiers. Test-taking ability, the Army said, does not measure loyalty, duty, honor, integrity or courage.

Daniel Goure, vice president of the Lexington Institute, a private research group, said there is a ?fine balance between the need for a certain number of recruits and the standards you set.?

?Tests don?t tell you the answer to the most critical question for the Army, how will you do in combat?? Goure said. But, he added, accepting too many recruits with low test scores could increase training costs and leave technical jobs unfilled.

?The absolute key for the Army is a high-school diploma,? Goure said.

About 17 percent of the first-time recruits, or about 13,600, were accepted under waivers for various medical, moral or criminal problems, including misdemeanor arrests or drunk driving. That is a slight increase from last year, the Army said.

Of those accepted under waivers, more than half were for ?moral? reasons, mostly misdemeanor arrests. Thirty-eight percent were for medical reasons and 7 percent were drug and alcohol problems, including those who may have failed a drug test or acknowledged they had used drugs.

The Army said the waiver process recognizes that people can overcome past mistakes and become law abiding citizens.

More recruiters, big bonuses
Army Brig. Gen. Anthony Cucolo said that adding more recruiters enabled the Army to identify more recruits. ?We got the right people in the field in the right places in the right numbers,? said Cucolo, the chief spokesman for the Army.

About two-thirds of the recruits qualified for a bonus ? an average of $11,000 each. Some in highly valued specialties, such as special operations forces, can get up to $40,000 in extra cash.

The Army National Guard and the Army Reserve both fell slightly short of their recruiting goals. The Reserves recruited 25,378 of the targeted 25,500; and the Guard recruited 69,042 of the targeted 70,000.

 
Didn't we just have this thread?

/thread

Ps. If they keep lowering their standards all of us on P&N can sign up together 🙂
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Didn't we just have this thread?

/thread

Ps. If they keep lowering their standards all of us on P&N can sign up together 🙂

I doubt that--who will keep your La-Z-Boy chairs warm in the meanwhile?

 
Old news, huh? Well, what isn't old news is that the Army missed its recruiting goals by the largest margine since 1979. See Army Misses Recruiting Goals. The army is using private headhunters. See Army Tries Private Pitch. Recruiter violations are up significantly (50%), with criminal convictions. See Military Recruitment Violations Rise. See also a summary of the GAO report on recruitment violations reported in GovExec.com. Gao finds increase in wrondoing by military recruiters. The army began offerring a 15-month enlistment. See Army Offers 15-month hitch. And, as reported in GovExec.com, see above for link,
Last year, allegations of wrongdoing among the military's 22,000 recruiters grew by 50 percent over fiscal 2004 claims, while substantiated cases increased by more than 50 percent. Criminal violations, meanwhile, jumped by more than 100 percent, the GAO reported.
Whoa, let's get that, 22,000 recruiters? Now that covers all the services, but the army was shooting for 80,000 enlistees last year. It's reported that the average for recruiters is about ten signups per year. And, for some real yucks (as in laughter), catch Hot Topics, Current Issues for Army Leaders -- discussing the marketing of "An Army of One."
 
How smart do you have to be to get killed or have your legs blown off? In yesteryear we needed people who understood high tech machines---now we need boots on the ground.
A disproporante number of the dumber ones will be shipped off to combat units as soon as possible---those scoring higher may get some useful training. Its always been the military way.
When you can't meet recruiting goals--lower standards.
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Must be election time, this tired old story is coming back from a 24 month snooze.

Actually, the story then was the poor recruiting numbers. This is the reaction. They're not really the same story.
 
Cameras Show Army Recruiters Misleading Students
http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/ca...103145309990002?ncid=NWS00010000000001
ABC News and New York affiliate WABC equipped students with hidden video cameras before they visited 10 Army recruitment offices in New York, New Jersey and Connecticut.

"Nobody is going over to Iraq anymore?" one student asks a recruiter.

"No, we're bringing people back," he replies.

"We're not at war. War ended a long time ago," another recruiter says.


Last year, the Army suspended recruiting nationwide to retrain recruiters following hundreds of allegations of improprieties.

One Colorado student taped a recruiting session posing as a drug-addicted dropout.

"You mean I'm not going to get in trouble?" the student asked.

The recruiters told him no, and helped him cheat to sign up.


During the ABC News sessions, some recruiters told our students if they enlisted, there would be little chance they'd to go Iraq.

But Col. Robert Manning, who is in charge of U.S. Army recruiting for the entire Northeast, said that new recruits were likely to go to Iraq.

"I would not disagree with that," Manning said. "We are a nation and Army at war still."

Manning looked at the ABC News video of his recruiters.

"It's hard to believe some of things they are telling prospective applicants," Manning said. "I still believe that this is the exception more than the norm. ? I've visited many stations myself, and I know that we have many wonderful Americans serving in uniform as recruiters."

Yet ABC News found one recruiter who even claimed if you didn't like the Army, you could just quit.

"It's called a 'Failure to Adapt' discharge," the recruiter said. "It's an entry-level discharge so it won't affect anything on your record. It'll just be like it never happened."


Manning, however, disagrees with the ease the recruiter describes.

"I would believe it's not as easy as he would lead you to believe it is," he said.
No, sh*t, Sherlock it won't be that easy. That's why these recruiters are SCUM!!
 
Bottom line is that fewer people want to join the military if they know that they will be joining a fight that is morally ambiguous and has no end in sight.

Given a just cause, people would sign up in droves.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Cameras Show Army Recruiters Misleading Students
http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/ca...103145309990002?ncid=NWS00010000000001
ABC News and New York affiliate WABC equipped students with hidden video cameras before they visited 10 Army recruitment offices in New York, New Jersey and Connecticut.

"Nobody is going over to Iraq anymore?" one student asks a recruiter.

"No, we're bringing people back," he replies.

"We're not at war. War ended a long time ago," another recruiter says.


Last year, the Army suspended recruiting nationwide to retrain recruiters following hundreds of allegations of improprieties.

One Colorado student taped a recruiting session posing as a drug-addicted dropout.

"You mean I'm not going to get in trouble?" the student asked.

The recruiters told him no, and helped him cheat to sign up.


During the ABC News sessions, some recruiters told our students if they enlisted, there would be little chance they'd to go Iraq.

But Col. Robert Manning, who is in charge of U.S. Army recruiting for the entire Northeast, said that new recruits were likely to go to Iraq.

"I would not disagree with that," Manning said. "We are a nation and Army at war still."

Manning looked at the ABC News video of his recruiters.

"It's hard to believe some of things they are telling prospective applicants," Manning said. "I still believe that this is the exception more than the norm. ? I've visited many stations myself, and I know that we have many wonderful Americans serving in uniform as recruiters."

Yet ABC News found one recruiter who even claimed if you didn't like the Army, you could just quit.

"It's called a 'Failure to Adapt' discharge," the recruiter said. "It's an entry-level discharge so it won't affect anything on your record. It'll just be like it never happened."


Manning, however, disagrees with the ease the recruiter describes.

"I would believe it's not as easy as he would lead you to believe it is," he said.
No, sh*t, Sherlock it won't be that easy. That's why these recruiters are SCUM!!

Recruiters misleading people?? NO WAY!! Seriously, recruiters have been misleading people for as long as I can remember, this is old news.

 
In all fairness, abusive recruiters are not a new phenomenon, nor are they distinctive to the current situation. Some (though certainly not all) recruiters have always been dishonest and manipulative. I think the military has a lot to offer, but there's a lot of downside too, and the increased downside during wartime makes recruiters cut even more corners.
 
Which again means Kerry's comments were partially true.

Only stupid, idiotic people will fall for that.
People working towards Masters, PhD, Doctor of *.* degrees won't fall for that crap.
 
Originally posted by: Lothar
Which again means Kerry's comments were partially true.
Except Kerry's comments were about Soldiers, it was about Bush. Of course being either stupid or totally dishonest Bush acted like it was about the soldiers as did the rest of the spinning opportunists in the Republican party.

 
In order to keep it "all-volunteer" you have to do this. Otherwise, you'd have to have mandatory service (Several countries do this).
 
The Army is by far the worse of the branches when it comes to this.
Navy and Air Force offer great high tech job training and almost no chance of combat.

The marines will always get the most gung ho and motivated people. It is almost like a cult.

That leaves the Army. Sure they will offer you job training, but look at this way. How many people volunteer in order to be foot soldiers? And how many people do we need as foot soldiers?
 
i know a few recruiters from way way back (60's). all are retired from the army and working other jobs. i golf with them once a week.

one thing they all agree on is how much pressure is put on them to fill their monthly quotas, and how "creative" they sometimes had to get to meet those quotas. some stories were really funny, on others i got rather irate and jumped on them about it.

the most interesting stories from them revolve around the intense competition among them that their bosses strongly encouraged. imho, under those conditions, it brings the best and worst out of people.

the great ones get really good at their profession, being honest and forthright, yet being able to exceed their quotas on a regular basis. these exemplary ones usually band together and cover for each other in the way of horse-trading referrals and even giving credit for recruits to others in the group who ar experiencing the inevitable streak of bad luck.

the bad ones end up being lone wolves who have to make it on their own. these are the ones that give that profession a black eye. because they're operating as loners without a support group, they will employ any means at their disposal to make quotas. cut throat tactics become the norm. skills at being ruthless, cunning and deceptive get honed razor sharp.

from what my golf partners tell me, the really skillled ones from that category always seem to get promoted ahead of the honest hard working ones and become bosses themselves, who then try to pass on their work ethic to new recruiters who are under their command.

these bad eggs that go up the chain know how to suck up to their bosses and make themselves look good whilst being spiteful tyrants to those recruiters that previously shunned them for their unprofessional behavior. like how john bolton was described, "a kind of suck up and kick down kind of guy."

in a nutshell, from listening to their experiences i'd say that job makes selling used cars look like trying to give away free money. a stressful thankless job that takes a lot of rationalizing to justify their staying in that career field.

 
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