Army heading towards a recruiting shortfall.

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Rebasxer

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No one wants to join the army because of an un-winable war in Iraq were every day more and more soliders get IED'd back home in boxes. I doubt recruitment would have been too positive back during the days of Nam. People don't want to fight dirty wars with no clear enemy that don't seem winable. That's not politcial rhetoric, that's just fact.
 

Svnla

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The Army keep sending emails <from my college career center account> and asking me to become an office. I just ignore them. I rather join the AF or Navy.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: rbloedow


That said - they aren't pulling all the young people to fight - my mother just got orders - she is getting deployed to Afghanistan, and she's 42 years old.


Yo' momma wears combat boots!
 

Landroval

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Originally posted by: cjgallen
Right after I enlisted in the Navy (this past January) the Army recruiters called my house. I told them I already joined they Navy, and they told me I was crazy!!! :roll:


Once you get out of the Navy, the Army will call you and offer you a "sweet deal" (in their words). Then you can laugh again.
 

cruzer

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The Associated Press
Updated: 9:37 p.m. ET March 22, 2005

WASHINGTON - The Army is tapping into a new pool of potential recruits for the National Guard and Army Reserve by raising the maximum enlistment age from 34 to 39, officials said Tuesday.

The move, described as a three-year test program, is designed to help the Guard and Reserve meet their recruitment goals at a time when the Iraq war and other pressures are discouraging young people from joining.

The Guard missed its recruiting goal for 2004, and both the Guard and Reserve are lagging behind their goals so far this year.

The age ceiling for the regular Army is set by law at 34.

Physical standards will not change for either the regular Army or Guard and Reserve.

For the Guard and Reserve, the age limit is set by policy and can be changed without approval from Congress, said Maj. Elizabeth Robbins, an Army spokeswoman. A person one day short of his or her 40th birthday is now eligible to join the Guard or Reserve; under the old system the maximum age was 34 years and 364 days.

Census figures show that the change will add about 22 million people to the Army Guard and Reserve recruiting pool. The Army said in a statement that it has not forecast how much this will add to recruit totals.

?Experience has shown that older recruits who can meet the physical demands of military service generally make excellent soldiers based on their maturity, motivation, loyalty and patriotism,? the Army said.
 

QuitBanningMe

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Originally posted by: cruzer
The Associated Press
Updated: 9:37 p.m. ET March 22, 2005

WASHINGTON - The Army is tapping into a new pool of potential recruits for the National Guard and Army Reserve by raising the maximum enlistment age from 34 to 39, officials said Tuesday.

The move, described as a three-year test program, is designed to help the Guard and Reserve meet their recruitment goals at a time when the Iraq war and other pressures are discouraging young people from joining.

The Guard missed its recruiting goal for 2004, and both the Guard and Reserve are lagging behind their goals so far this year.

The age ceiling for the regular Army is set by law at 34.

Physical standards will not change for either the regular Army or Guard and Reserve.

For the Guard and Reserve, the age limit is set by policy and can be changed without approval from Congress, said Maj. Elizabeth Robbins, an Army spokeswoman. A person one day short of his or her 40th birthday is now eligible to join the Guard or Reserve; under the old system the maximum age was 34 years and 364 days.

Census figures show that the change will add about 22 million people to the Army Guard and Reserve recruiting pool. The Army said in a statement that it has not forecast how much this will add to recruit totals.

?Experience has shown that older recruits who can meet the physical demands of military service generally make excellent soldiers based on their maturity, motivation, loyalty and patriotism,? the Army said.
Hmmmm.....I wonder if they would let me back in.....I was a bad boy.
 

b0mbrman

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Originally posted by: Mo0o
If we needed extra people there would be a draft.

Keep saying it and I bet it will make it true...at least in the eyes of the MTV generation ;)
 

jjzelinski

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Originally posted by: rbloedow
Why join the Army, when the Air Force is clearly the better option?

That said - they aren't pulling all the young people to fight - my mother just got orders - she is getting deployed to Afghanistan, and she's 42 years old.

GL on getting decent AFSC (job) in the AF, they're kicking people out left and right. GO RADAR.
 

Mo0o

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Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: Mo0o
If we needed extra people there would be a draft.

Keep saying it and I bet it will make it true...at least in the eyes of the MTV generation ;)

Lol i dont really wanna get drafted but it seems logical that if the US really needed people there will be a draft. Although maybe this shortage of enlistees with make the US less.. trigger happy about their deployment and peacekeeping. Besides, plenty of soldiers in the UN, we dont have to do everything.
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: Mo0o
If we needed extra people there would be a draft.

Well I guess that depends on how the Iran situation escalates.

If you guys aren't worried about it yet, you should be.

Iran (including both the ruling theocracy and the younger reformists) are united in bringing nuclear power to their country, and are saying that no amount of talks will change that outlook.

Israel is saying that they will not allow Iran to pursue ANY nuclear agenda, whether it be nuclear power or nuclear weapons (or both), and will resort to military action if necessary.

Iran has the artillery to pound Israel with their missiles if they are attacked by them. Will the US rush to their aid?

Iran borders both Afghanistan and Iraq. A conflict in Iran would swallow all three countries because governments in both Iraq and Afghanistan have no way to protect their borders. That would force the US into getting involved.

And the big question is, if Israel attacks Iran, would the Iraqis and Afghanis side with the US/Israel or with Iran?

That's a powder keg if I ever saw one.
 

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Mo0o
If we needed extra people there would be a draft.

Well I guess that depends on how the Iran situation escalates.

If you guys aren't worried about it yet, you should be.

Iran (including both the ruling theocracy and the younger reformists) are united in bringing nuclear power to their country, and are saying that no amount of talks will change that outlook.

Israel is saying that they will not allow Iran to pursue ANY nuclear agenda, whether it be nuclear power or nuclear weapons (or both), and will resort to military action if necessary.

Iran has the artillery to pound Israel with their missiles if they are attacked by them. Will the US rush to their aid?

Iran borders both Afghanistan and Iraq. A conflict in Iran would swallow all three countries because governments in both Iraq and Afghanistan have no way to protect their borders. That would force the US into getting involved.

And the big question is, if Israel attacks Iran, would the Iraqis and Afghanis side with the US/Israel or with Iran?

That's a powder keg if I ever saw one.

The only worry/ US involvement there would be if Iraq/ Afghanistan decided to join in against Isreal.
 

PhlashFoto

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Heh, if there was a draft, I'd be disqualified due to physical limitations. :p So i am safe.

Unless they would assign me to non combat military work my case. I don't know what the military would do.
 

mwtgg

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Well, as long as I don't have to fight wearing a blue helmet, I don't have a problem with serving.
 

0roo0roo

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less of us would mind if they were as gung ho about protecting the lives of soldiers as they are with fetus's.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: jpeyton

Well I guess that depends on how the Iran situation escalates.

If you guys aren't worried about it yet, you should be.

Iran (including both the ruling theocracy and the younger reformists) are united in bringing nuclear power to their country, and are saying that no amount of talks will change that outlook.

Israel is saying that they will not allow Iran to pursue ANY nuclear agenda, whether it be nuclear power or nuclear weapons (or both), and will resort to military action if necessary.

Iran has the artillery to pound Israel with their missiles if they are attacked by them. Will the US rush to their aid?


This is not a big deal. Israel will annihilate Iran with the greatest of ease. The last time Arab states tried to gang up on Israel, it took Israel less than a week to give all of them the reaming of their life.

Israel is much stronger now, while the Arab states have gotten weaker. Iran can try to build reactors if they want, but they'll never be completed. Israeli jets will prevent that from happening, just like they did in Iraq.
 

StageLeft

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Good. they don't tolerate metros in the military. It will teach some manliness back into kids so that we don't end up with a society with 100% women like you toots want.
This is not a big deal. Israel will annihilate Iran with the greatest of ease. The last time Arab states tried to gang up on Israel, it took Israel less than a week to give all of them the reaming of their life.

Israel is much stronger now, while the Arab states have gotten weaker. Iran can try to build reactors if they want, but they'll never be completed. Israeli jets will prevent that from happening, just like they did in Iraq.
Yep, doesn't worry me at all. I think it would be some good fun actually if Iran tries to build these, Israel takes them out, and then Iran is stuck there picking its nose, unable to do anything in response.
 

Horus

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Originally posted by: NiKeFiDO
Originally posted by: spidey07
yeah, we're gonna have a draft. Its inevitable.

time to move up with our gay neighbors up north.

If the liberal gov't gets chucked out, the Conservatives are gonna send troops to Iraq...thank god it requires a unanimous vote in Parliament, and a written order from the queen/Gov. General to call up the reserves.
 

yokomo

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Well ya kids were lining up to join when it was free school and party times every day... Now that you might have to use the training and earn your money, who the heck wants to do that!!!

My little bro is in the National Guard and he is excited to go "finnal get to see if all this training is worth a pinch of $hit" is exactly what he said to me..
 

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Originally posted by: spidey07
yeah, we're gonna have a draft. Its inevitable.

:roll:

It's political suicie short of the next pearl harbor, and then, I don't think they'll have a shortfall.

PSA: THERE WILL BE NO DRAFT
 

rudder

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Its also affected yb our economy. As job growth grows, enlistments go down. the military is having a very hard time recruiting nurses for instance. How can they compete with the private sector offering tons of $$$ and big signing bonuses.
 

franksta

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Perhaps with fewer recruits they'll be a little wiser in where they spend them?