Army Headed to Recruiting Shortfall

BBond

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More bad news for Army recruiting. And worse for the Guard and Reserve.

So they got around a quarter below their goal after lowering that goal by 1,350. :confused: So in real terms they missed their monthly goal for May by around thirty eight percent, not twenty five percent. No wonder they're releasing the statistics late from now on.

If the situation in Iraq doesn't change for the better, rapidly, the military will be forced to take further steps to attract recruits. In the meantime the same people are being put through the meat grinder. And all for what?

And they accuse us of not supporting the troops.

:roll:

You don't support our troops by putting them in harms way to defend against a contrived threat.

Look at the poll numbers. People aren't sending their kids to a war they don't support. And the same troops can't stay in Iraq indefinitely.

So what's going to give?

Army Headed to Recruiting Shortfall

By ROBERT BURNS, AP Military Writer

WASHINGTON - The Army appears likely to fall short of its full-year recruiting goal for the first time since 1999, raising longer-term questions about a military embroiled in its first protracted wars since switching from the draft to a volunteer force 32 years ago.

Many young people and their parents have grown more wary of Army service because of the likelihood of being dispatched on combat tours to Iraq or Afghanistan, opinion polls show. U.S. troops are dying at a rate of two a day in Iraq, more than two years after
President Bush declared that major combat operations had ended.

The Army says today's economy offers attractive alternatives to many high school and college graduates.

The recruiting statistics appear to bear that out. Officials said Wednesday that although the Army will not release its numbers until Friday, it fell about 25 percent short of its target of signing up 6,700 recruits in May. The gap would have been even wider but for the fact that the target was lowered by 1,350.

The Army said it lowered the May target to "adjust for changing market conditions," knowing that the difference will have to be made up in the months ahead.

The Army also missed its monthly targets in April, March and February ? each month worse than the one before. In February it fell 27 percent short; in March the gap was 31 percent, and in April it was 42 percent.

"It's like having a persistent drought," said Daniel Goure, a military analyst at the private Lexington Institute. "At some point when you have drought conditions you have to institute water rationing, and that's what you potentially face in the military if it goes on long enough. You would get to a stage where you don't have enough people to staff your organizations."

Prior to February, the last time the Army had missed a monthly recruiting goal was May 2000.

The Army National Guard and Army Reserve are even farther behind in recruiting this year.

The shortfalls have led to speculation that the government might be forced to reinstitute the draft. There is little support for that in Congress, and Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld has ruled it out, saying the all-volunteer force has proven the wisdom of discontinuing the draft in 1973.

Lt. Col. Bryan Hilferty, spokesman for the Army's chief of personnel, said in an interview that despite the recent setbacks the Army remains cautiously optimistic that it will make up the lost ground this summer ? traditionally the most fruitful period of the year for recruiters ? and reach the full-year goal of 80,000 enlistees.

"One number matters: 80,000," Hilferty said. "The Army's fiscal 2005 goal was, is and remains 80,000 recruits."

Others, speaking privately, said the official optimism is sagging rapidly. They note that with only four months left in the budget year, the Army is at barely 50 percent of its goal. Recruiters would have to land more than 9,760 young men and women a month, on average, to reach the 80,000 target by the end of September.

In other words, they would have to far exceed their official targets, which range from 5,650 to 9,250 a month.

With the summer recruiting season in mind, the Army has added hundreds of extra recruiters, raised the enlistment bonus for four-year commitments to $20,000, and targeted more advertising at parents. Hilferty says the extra recruiters are being counted on to produce big results between now and September.

"They're better now than they were last month," he said. "Experience counts."

Goure said the prospect of reaching 80,000 is grim.

"I don't see them making it," he said.

If the slump ended next year the impact might not be great. But if it continues, as many expect, the consequences could be large.

The problem, if it lasts, would be particularly acute for the Army because it is in the midst of a major expansion of its ranks ? from about 482,000 soldiers in the active force to 512,000 ? in order to complete a top-to-bottom redesign of its 10 combat divisions. That redesign is central to the Army's "transformation" plan to become more agile and mobile ? and to have more units available for duty in Iraq.

The Marine Corps also has missed monthly recruiting targets lately, but only by small margins. The Air Force and the Navy, in contrast, are easily meeting their goals, in part because they play much smaller and less publicized roles in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Navy is actually trying to shed thousands from its ranks.

Beyond the statistical comparisons, the military as a whole may be entering a period in which new approaches are needed to fill its ranks.

Charles Moskos, a sociology professor and expert on military personnel issues at Northwestern University, has said the Army's recruiting woes are likely to persist until the children of upper-class America begin to enlist more readily. He also sees a possibility of the services relying more on non-Americans to sign up.

Moskos said in an interview Wednesday that of the 750 males in his graduating class at Princeton University in 1956, more than 400 went on to serve in the military. Of the 1,100 males and females in last year's Princeton class, eight joined.

"That's the difference," he said.
 

Stunt

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Again?...I thought the shortages started way back when the Iraq war started?...
I guess we are still waiting...Keep us posted BBond :roll:
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: Stunt
Again?...I thought the shortages started way back when the Iraq war started?...
I guess we are still waiting...Keep us posted BBond :roll:

If Bush doesn't find a way out of Iraq soon, the draft board will be keeping you posted.
 

Stunt

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Stunt
Again?...I thought the shortages started way back when the Iraq war started?...
I guess we are still waiting...Keep us posted BBond :roll:

If Bush doesn't find a way out of Iraq soon, the draft board will be keeping you posted.
I highly doubt it...why would the draft board inform me on anything?
 

Starbuck1975

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The Army appears likely to fall short of its full-year recruiting goal for the first time since 1999, raising longer-term questions about a military embroiled in its first protracted wars since switching from the draft to a volunteer force 32 years ago.

Whenever the military faces multiple deployments, to combat zones or otherwise, it reflects in the recruiting numbers.

The 1999 shortfall was largely attributed to the Balkans mission...it is always difficult to attract potential candidates to the military when those candidates enter knowing that they will face deployment shortly after enlisting.

The enlistment numbers are not so much a concern as retention numbers for those currently in the military...throughout the 1990s, while recruiting did stagnate at times, the Army was able to retain a large percentage of its active duty enlisted force, primarily through various monetary incentives.

The draft is simply not an option, and these shortfalls will only place a larger burden on our current active duty force, extended to the National Guard and Reserves as well...this will inevitably reduce retentions, which is the larger issue.



 

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Boo yah!

Glad to see our young people aren't easily duped.
 

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I've seen a large growth of hispanic's joining the Army in Miami a few months back my younger brother and 10 friends joined the Marines.They are still are having shortages but I wonder how that works my brother had to wait 4 weeks to join SOI(school of infantry).They had too many recruits and not enough empty companies to be sent to train.Right now he is in AP Hill Virginia and was selected in the top of his company and put as pointman.
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: Beowulf
I've seen a large growth of hispanic's joining the Army in Miami a few months back my younger brother and 10 friends joined the Marines.They are still are having shortages but I wonder how that works my brother had to wait 4 weeks to join SOI(school of infantry).They had too many recruits and not enough empty companies to be sent to train.Right now he is in AP Hill Virginia and was selected in the top of his company and put as pointman.

His experience seems to be counter to the military's own numbers.
 

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Beowulf
I've seen a large growth of hispanic's joining the Army in Miami a few months back my younger brother and 10 friends joined the Marines.They are still are having shortages but I wonder how that works my brother had to wait 4 weeks to join SOI(school of infantry).They had too many recruits and not enough empty companies to be sent to train.Right now he is in AP Hill Virginia and was selected in the top of his company and put as pointman.

His experience seems to be counter to the military's own numbers.


Read the article and read what I said about my brother and think a little.

The Marine Corps also has missed monthly recruiting targets lately, but only by small margins.

Marines are still joining despite the whole first to fight attitude and being deployed wherever the US wants.Also those ppl don't get paid like the Army and don't have the advance stuff of the Army just a fighting spirit and a wish to be successful.There's a reason in every operation in Iraq you see 1,000-2,000 Marines because they know how to launch an offensive the Army is the biggest but not the best.
 

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The sky is falling - run for the hills. 5% of the available forces are in Iraq - we are running low on soldiers...

The overdeployment is a media myth. Odd that out of all of the people I know in the active military, the reserves, and the guard (twelve) only one is in Iraq. The others were never even close to going.
 

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Originally posted by: irwincur
The sky is falling - run for the hills. 5% of the available forces are in Iraq - we are running low on soldiers...

The overdeployment is a media myth. Odd that out of all of the people I know in the active military, the reserves, and the guard (twelve) only one is in Iraq. The others were never even close to going.
The over deployment is not a myth...it's just that you guys have too many needless bases around the world.
Can you honest tell me why you need troops in Germany?
 

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Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
The Army appears likely to fall short of its full-year recruiting goal for the first time since 1999, raising longer-term questions about a military embroiled in its first protracted wars since switching from the draft to a volunteer force 32 years ago.

Whenever the military faces multiple deployments, to combat zones or otherwise, it reflects in the recruiting numbers.

The 1999 shortfall was largely attributed to the Balkans mission...it is always difficult to attract potential candidates to the military when those candidates enter knowing that they will face deployment shortly after enlisting.

The enlistment numbers are not so much a concern as retention numbers for those currently in the military...throughout the 1990s, while recruiting did stagnate at times, the Army was able to retain a large percentage of its active duty enlisted force, primarily through various monetary incentives.

The draft is simply not an option, and these shortfalls will only place a larger burden on our current active duty force, extended to the National Guard and Reserves as well...this will inevitably reduce retentions, which is the larger issue.
Finally some reason, but instead of noting that people are less likely to join when they know they're going to war, it's far more appealing to stupidity to insinuate that they are not joining because it's an unjust war that they're not interested in, as if the average military recruit really gives a sh*t why he's joining the military anyway. Either he wants to or he doesn't; he hardly gives much thought to whether it will be "just" or not.

 

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
The Army appears likely to fall short of its full-year recruiting goal for the first time since 1999, raising longer-term questions about a military embroiled in its first protracted wars since switching from the draft to a volunteer force 32 years ago.

Whenever the military faces multiple deployments, to combat zones or otherwise, it reflects in the recruiting numbers.

The 1999 shortfall was largely attributed to the Balkans mission...it is always difficult to attract potential candidates to the military when those candidates enter knowing that they will face deployment shortly after enlisting.

The enlistment numbers are not so much a concern as retention numbers for those currently in the military...throughout the 1990s, while recruiting did stagnate at times, the Army was able to retain a large percentage of its active duty enlisted force, primarily through various monetary incentives.

The draft is simply not an option, and these shortfalls will only place a larger burden on our current active duty force, extended to the National Guard and Reserves as well...this will inevitably reduce retentions, which is the larger issue.
Finally some reason, but instead of noting that people are less likely to join when they know they're going to war, it's far more appealing to stupidity to insinuate that they are not joining because it's an unjust war that they're not interested in, as if the average military recruit really gives a sh*t why he's joining the military anyway. Either he wants to or he doesn't; he hardly gives much thought to whether it will be "just" or not.

Not quite true, because the surge in recruiting after 9/11 suggested that recruits did give a sh1t why they joined.
 

Starbuck1975

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Not quite true, because the surge in recruiting after 9/11 suggested that recruits did give a sh1t why they joined.
Quite true, as the war in Afghanistan against the Taliban was quite justified, planned well, and executed with a strong strategic understanding of the region. The justification for the war in Iraq is not clear, nor is our strategic objectives, and it has taken a toll on recruiting.

What war were we in 1999?
We had peacekeeping deployments to Bosnia, followed shortly by Kosovo...while these are not wartime missions, any deployment will ultimately drain readiness, morale and the willingness of potential recruits to join the Army...many soldiers have seen multiple deployments to the Balkans, usually 6 to 8 months in duration...while not as stressful as the combat missions in Afghanistan and Iraq, such extended deployments away from family and home station do take a toll, especially considering that our strategic objectives in the Balkans are also unclear.

That being said, most of the soldiers now deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan have also seen deployments to the Balkans...in a five year period, any soldier that finds himself spending more time deployed then at home station will start to question his willingness to remain in the military.

While deployments are a risk that any soldier faces in making the commitment to our armed forces, overextending those forces does come with a price.

 

dmcowen674

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Not surprised. The lying deception Republicans in here would have you believe that goals have not only been met but exceeded:

7-11-2005 Nat'l Guard Misses Recruiting Goal Again

The Army National Guard, a cornerstone of the U.S. force in Iraq, missed its recruiting goal for at least the ninth straight month in June and is nearly 19,000 soldiers below its authorized strength, military officials said Monday.

It is more than 10,000 soldiers behind its year-to-date goal of almost 45,000 recruits, and has missed its recruiting target during at least 17 of the last 18 months.

The Army Guard also missed its annual recruiting goals for 2003 and 2004

 

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The small rural town I live in had 10 of our boys deployed in Iraq from February to December of last year. All but 2 were in the National Guard. Most joined to get money for college and several were in college when they were called up. They're all back now, but have been told to expect to be called back soon. One in the regular military was sent back this past February or March, he flies Apache helicopters. The ones I've talked to and exchanged letters with feel that they were doing something important over there and are ready to go back if they have to, but it's really difficult on their families.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Not surprised. The lying deception Republicans in here would have you believe that goals have not only been met but exceeded:

7-11-2005 Nat'l Guard Misses Recruiting Goal Again

The Army National Guard, a cornerstone of the U.S. force in Iraq, missed its recruiting goal for at least the ninth straight month in June and is nearly 19,000 soldiers below its authorized strength, military officials said Monday.

It is more than 10,000 soldiers behind its year-to-date goal of almost 45,000 recruits, and has missed its recruiting target during at least 17 of the last 18 months.

The Army Guard also missed its annual recruiting goals for 2003 and 2004
The Navy Reserves missed their goal.

http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=30326
The Navy Reserve also lagged in June, meeting only 92 percent of its recruiting target, after hitting 94 percent of its May target.