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Army friends line up to attack Rumsfeld

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http://www.smh.com.au/news/Wor.../16/1102787216460.html
Donald Rumsfeld, the US Defence Secretary, has come under a blistering attack from an influential neo-conservative figure who accused him of "breathtaking arrogance" and called for him to resign.

William Kristol, the editor of The Weekly Standard, the house journal of the neo-conservative movement, said in an article published on Wednesday that no wartime defence secretary had ever "so breezily dodged responsibility and so glibly passed the buck".

In particular he savaged Mr Rumsfeld's airy response last week to criticism from soldiers in Iraq over the lack of equipment and resources.

"Surely Don Rumsfeld is not the defence secretary Mr Bush should want to have for the remainder of his second term," Kristol wrote.

Mr Rumsfeld has come under fire from senior Republicans and been the butt of jokes on late-night television since he responded to a complaint by Specialist Thomas Wilson, of the Tennessee National Guard, in Kuwait about a lack of armour on vehicles bound for Iraq, with the words "You go to war with the army you have."

Kristol's assault, and recent statements by the senators John McCain, Chuck Hagel and Susan Collins, as well as General Norman Schwarzkopf, who led American and allied forces in the Gulf War in 1991, fed speculation that Mr Rumsfeld may step down long before the end of President George Bush's second term.

The White House resisted calls to sack Mr Rumsfeld over the Abu Ghraib prison abuse scandal last year, partly because it might harm Mr Bush's re-election campaign.

Mr Rumsfeld is keen for a chance to rehabilitate his reputation, and complete his planned overhaul of the Pentagon.

The thinking is that the White House is keen to keep him until after next month's Iraqi elections. Scott McClellan, the White House spokesman, said Mr Bush thought Mr Rumsfeld was doing a "great job" in a time of war and "we appreciate" his leadership.

Wednesday's attack on Mr Rumsfeld is linked in Washington to the ambitions of Senator John McCain, the maverick, hawkish Republican, who said this week he had lost confidence in the Pentagon chief. He is thought to be positioning himself as an opponent of Mr Bush in the event of a disaster in Iraq, and lining himself up as a successor in 2008.

In a press interview, Senator McCain cited "very strong differences of opinion" with Mr Rumsfeld over troop levels in Iraq. Senator McCain has called for up to 100,000 more troops. He stopped short, though, of calling for Mr Rumsfeld's resignation.

On Sunday, Senator Hagel, speaking on CNN television, said: "That soldier, and those men and women there, deserved a far better answer from their secretary of defence than a flippant comment.

"That might work in a newsroom where you can be cute with the television audience, but not when you're putting these men and women in harm's way, who will be wounded - some, some will be killed."

General Schwarzkopf said on Monday that he was angered by Mr Rumsfeld's words "when he laid it all on the army, as if he, the Secretary of Defence, didn't have anything to do with the army and the army was over there doing it themselves, screwing up".

On Wednesday, Senator Collins, a member of the armed services committee, said: 'I think there are increasing concerns about the secretary's leadership of the war, the repeated failures to predict the strengths of the insurgency, the lack of essential safety equipment for our troops, the reluctance to expand the number of troops."
One of Bush's biggest mistakes, imo, was allowing this bastard to remain in his position after having royally f*cked up the post-invasion phase of the unjust Iraq war and for not taking action when first told of the abuses going on in prisons in Iraq.
 
I would agree that it is time to put this old dog outside. This guy is a joke and has lost so much ground.
I really think he is a moron who doesn't care about anything that doesn't benifit himself.

I think he should be dismissed and Powell should be given the job, but then I think that Powell would refuse the offer.........
 
I would agree if anybody could come up total proof that Rumsfeld was completely responsible.

The problem is nobody can come up with much of anything. Just rumors and conjecture.

This questioning by the soldier is just another classic case of a question being planted and then run with it. In the end when the facts were looked at. The stories didnt add up.

Same thing with the post-iraq rebuilding phase. You have generals who said they didnt have enough troops and others who said they did.

We capitulated an enemy in several weeks. Elections are scheduled to start and we have nutjobs in Iraq trying to break the country so they can impose their religous idiocy on the general population.

Nobody said this was going to be easy and it isnt.

Removing Rumsfeld wont change the fight tomorrow, 1 week, 1 month, or a year from now.

I find it amusing the amount of time and energy the left spends trying to discredit each and every cabinet member of the Bush admin.
 
Originally posted by: Genx87


I find it amusing the amount of time and energy the left spends trying to discredit each and every cabinet member of the Bush admin.

I find it amusing and amazing at the amount of time spent apologizing and trying to give credit to the same cabinet by the followers.

 
It that would be a major, major embarrassment for Bush if Rumbo is forced to resign. Bush adopted Rumbo's attack Iraq plan as his very own. "Mission accomplished" indeed.
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
I would agree if anybody could come up total proof that Rumsfeld was completely responsible.

The problem is nobody can come up with much of anything. Just rumors and conjecture.

This questioning by the soldier is just another classic case of a question being planted and then run with it. In the end when the facts were looked at. The stories didnt add up.

Same thing with the post-iraq rebuilding phase. You have generals who said they didnt have enough troops and others who said they did.

We capitulated an enemy in several weeks. Elections are scheduled to start and we have nutjobs in Iraq trying to break the country so they can impose their religous idiocy on the general population.

Nobody said this was going to be easy and it isnt.

Removing Rumsfeld wont change the fight tomorrow, 1 week, 1 month, or a year from now.

I find it amusing the amount of time and energy the left spends trying to discredit each and every cabinet member of the Bush admin.

Po po Rumsy, the difficult questions were not supposed to be asked.
 
No, he tried to dance his way around it and blame the soldiers for being in the service
when the war went forward with the inadequate planning AFTER he had refused to listen
to the Generals that tried to tell him what the hell was ging on and what would happen.

Those who were not Yes-Men were pushed aside.
 
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
No, he tried to dance his way around it and blame the soldiers for being in the service
when the war went forward with the inadequate planning AFTER he had refused to listen
to the Generals that tried to tell him what the hell was ging on and what would happen.

Those who were not Yes-Men were pushed aside.
Which explains why everything out of any general's mouth is all sunshine and roses if he knows what's good for the rest of his career.
 
No, he tried to dance his way around it and blame the soldiers for being in the service
when the war went forward with the inadequate planning AFTER he had refused to listen
to the Generals that tried to tell him what the hell was ging on and what would happen.

Really, you must have been listening to somebody else and thought it was him.

 
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110006029

Question Authority
What the media got wrong about Spc. Wilson and Secretary Rumsfeld.

BY JOHN R. GUARDIANO
Wednesday, December 15, 2004 12:01 a.m. EST

To the media, it was a dramatic revelation of Bush administration hypocrisy and incompetence: A lowly American GI courageously speaks truth to power, thus showing that the emperor has no clothes. But to this Marine veteran of the Iraq war, the hullabaloo over Army Spc. Thomas J. Wilson's question reveals far more about media bias, prejudice and ignorance than it does about the U.S. military and Iraq.

Spc. Wilson asked Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld why, nearly two years after the start of the war, his unit still has too few "up-armored" humvees. The media were surprised that an enlisted man would ask so direct and pointed a question of the Pentagon's highest official. I wasn't.

I enlisted in the Marine Corps Reserve after Sept. 11, 2001, and served in Iraq in 2003. Throughout boot camp, combat training and subsequent preparation for war, my instructors always stressed the importance of independent thinking and initiative. Obviously, when you're in the middle of a firefight, you cannot--and must not--second-guess split-second command decisions. However, when preparing for war, thoughtful and considered questions are not only tolerated; they are encouraged--even demanded, I found.

As one of my combat instructors told us: "Marines, you're more likely to die from someone doing something stupid than because the enemy is skilled and ingenious. So make sure you've thought things through and that everyone's on the same page. Be polite. Be tactful. But don't be afraid to ask questions."


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I soon discovered that this command to think and to ask questions wasn't mere rhetoric. I was serving with the First Battalion, Fourth Marine Regiment at an abandoned pistol factory in Al Hillah, about 60 miles south of Baghdad. Every three weeks or so, we were visited by Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis, who was then commanding the First Marine Division in Iraq.
Gen. Mattis is a Marine's Marine, a true warrior who speaks bluntly and candidly, without being bound by the constraints of political correctness. For well over an hour, on a routine and regular basis, the general would gather together his Marines and field questions. Nothing was out of bounds. The event was entirely democratic and thoroughly American--though marked by standard military etiquette and respect for rank. Thus, newsmen and commentators who fear "retribution" against Spc. Wilson haven't a clue as to what the U.S. military is all about. Spc. Wilson asked a tough but fair question; however, for any U.S. serviceman who's ever been to war, this was hardly surprising.

Nor does his question demonstrate, as some have argued, that the Iraq war was ill-conceived or poorly planned. War is, by its very nature, surprising and unpredictable; it forces us to adapt and to be innovative. Armchair "experts" notwithstanding, the fact is no one anticipated the Baathist-Sunni insurgency, certainly not the U.S. military. We all expected to knock off Saddam Hussein and his elite Republican Guard and then head home in time for the July 4 celebrations. That's why, when I deployed to Iraq in 2003, I traveled throughout the country in a standard canvas humvee with no special armor. Nor did I have any special body vest or protection.

I thought nothing of this at the time and still don't. My team went as far north as Baghdad, but we were situated mainly south of the Sunni Triangle, in predominantly Shiite Iraq. Throughout our entire time there, the Iraqis welcomed us as liberators. We were well prepared for the threat as it then existed and as we understood it.

But when my old Marine Corps reserve unit redeployed to Iraq in September, it did so with fully armored vehicles, new sappy plated vests and special goggles--all designed to protect against shrapnel and improvised explosive devices. That's because the unit was deploying to Fallujah, and the threat there was different from what we had faced in southern, Shiite Iraq.

This type of change and adaptation has occurred in all wars from time immemorial. It reflects not poor planning but the unpredictable nature of war. That's why the Defense Department has been moving quickly to up-armor its humvees, producing nearly 400 such vehicles a month, up from 30 a month in August 2003, according to Army Lt. Gen. R. Steven Whitcomb.

The U.S. military ultimately wants 8,100 up-armored humvees versus the nearly 6,000 such vehicles that it has currently, Gen. Whitcomb told reporters last week. Moreover, according to the Army vice chief of staff, Lt. Gen. Richard A. Cody, the military long ago embarked on a "Manhattan-like project" to remotely jam IEDs with radio sensors.

If you're an American soldier or Marine whose life is on the line now, clearly that's not good enough. On the other hand, it simply isn't true that U.S. military leaders have callously ignored the troops' request for up-armored vehicles and other protective equipment. In fact, most of our troops in Iraq have up-armored vehicles, and units there take force protection quite seriously.


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Delays ought to be blamed on the military bureaucracy, which Secretary Rumsfeld has been trying to reform. Indeed, that's what military transformation--a Rumsfeld priority--is all about. Yet, many of the same people who are most vociferously denouncing the lack of up-armored humvees in Iraq also fight military reform tooth and nail.
Example: When the Army decided last winter to cancel development of its Cold War relic Comanche helicopter, Sen. Christopher Dodd, a Connecticut Democrat, immediately took to the barricades. "It simply doesn't make sense to pull the plug on the Comanche," Mr. Dodd said. "Obviously, this will not be an easy fight, but I intend to work with other members of the Connecticut congressional delegation to seek to retain the Comanche as part of our military arsenal."

It didn't seem to matter to Mr. Dodd that the Comanche was a $39-billion boondoggle that the Army didn't want because the aircraft isn't suitable for 21st-century urban warfare. Nor did Mr. Dodd seem to care that much of the displaced Comanche money would be used to equip existing Army helicopters with new countermeasure systems necessary to neutralize the ubiquitous threat posed by rocket-propelled grenades, shoulder-fired missiles, and man-portable air-defense systems, all of which are omnipresent in Iraq.

Yet Mr. Dodd, who has never been a champion of big defense budgets, now has the chutzpah to lecture Mr. Rumsfeld about the need to "spare no expense to ensure the safety of our troops, particularly as they confront a hostile insurgency and roadside bombs throughout Iraq." Mr. Dodd says Mr. Rumsfeld's response to Spec. Wilson--"You go to war with the Army you have"--is "utterly unacceptable. Mr. Secretary," he writes, "our troops go to war with the Army that our nation's leaders provide."

Quite true--and Mr.. Dodd is one of those leaders.


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Nor does the entire hullabaloo concerning up-armored humvees show, as some commentators contest, that U.S. troops lack confidence in their military and civilian leaders. The reality is that troop morale is consistently high.
Of course, American soldiers and Marines yearn to come home; it is not in our nature to colonize or occupy a country. By the same token, however, most U.S. troops take understandable pride in a job well done. They are pleased to have the historic chance to serve and to practice, in a real-world operation, that which they have been training for all these many years. That's why re-enlistment rates are high.

As U.S. Central Commander Gen. John Abizaid told Tim Russert on "Meet the Press" Sept. 26: "The constant drumbeat in Washington of a war that is being lost, that can't be won, of a resistance that is out of control, simply does not square with the facts on the ground." In fact, the vast majority of Iraq is not a war zone; it is peaceful, tranquil and doing surprisingly well. I refer specifically to the Shiite south. The Kurdish north, too, is doing relatively well, despite the recent upsurge of violence in Mosul.

"So is this fight in the Middle East worth fighting?" the general said to Mr. Russert. "Absolutely," he said. "In my mind, and in the minds of our young people that are out here fighting and sacrificing, it's absolutely worth it."

Of course you won't hear any of this in many news articles or broadcasts. The media long ago decided that its job was to put a negative slant on all things Iraq. Truth is, as they say, the first casualty of war.

Mr. Guardiano is an Arlington, Va.-based journalist who served in Iraq in 2003 as a field radio operator with the U.S. Marine Corps' Fourth Civil Affairs Group.
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
I find it amusing the amount of time and energy the left spends trying to discredit each and every cabinet member of the Bush admin.

Trent Lott and John McCain are now considered "the left"?
 
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: Genx87
I find it amusing the amount of time and energy the left spends trying to discredit each and every cabinet member of the Bush admin.

Trent Lott and John McCain are now considered "the left"?

William Kristol too. Didn't you get the memo? Everyone who criticizes Dubya is a commie-liberal. The only real conservatives are bleating tools like Genx87 who never question anything from the Dub regime.


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Bush Apologists of America (BAA): pulling the wool over their own eyes since 1980
 
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: Genx87


I find it amusing the amount of time and energy the left spends trying to discredit each and every cabinet member of the Bush admin.

I find it amusing and amazing at the amount of time spent apologizing and trying to give credit to the same cabinet by the followers.

The left has what to do with the OP now?
 
Originally posted by: Ldir
Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: Genx87
I find it amusing the amount of time and energy the left spends trying to discredit each and every cabinet member of the Bush admin.
Trent Lott and John McCain are now considered "the left"?
William Kristol too. Didn't you get the memo? Everyone who criticizes Dubya is a commie-liberal. The only real conservatives are bleating tools like Genx87 who never question anything from the Dub regime.


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Bush Apologists of America (BAA): pulling the wool over their own eyes since 1980
And people like him fit your sig to a 't'
 
I'm probably in the minority of Democrats, but I don't see Rumsfeld as the problem. I think he's extremely competent and has many good ideas. I think the good he does for us far outways the shortcomings.

My position is that as far as the war in Iraq, the responsibility to go in is Bushs, good or bad, it wasn't Rumsfeld's decision. Also, as far as the planning, or lack of it as far as "winning the peace", I think Rumsfeld has some responsibility, but so does the State department, the CIA, Colin Powell, and several layers of generals and state department workers.

I've never cared for the practice of sacrificing the talents of a person, because they aren't perfect. Another topical example is this person who dropped out of the nomination for Homeland Security chief because of some domestic servant issue. I think that kind of thing is a silly reason to disqualfy someone over.

 
I doubt that GWB would give Rumsfeld the boot because they share the same foreign\ military policy vision.

Rumsfeld is doing exactly what Bush wants.
 
Originally posted by: Tom
My position is that as far as the war in Iraq, the responsibility to go in is Bushs, good or bad, it wasn't Rumsfeld's decision. Also, as far as the planning, or lack of it as far as "winning the peace", I think Rumsfeld has some responsibility, but so does the State department, the CIA, Colin Powell, and several layers of generals and state department workers.

but Colin Powell has been fired, as has much of the CIA. thus far, the only disciplinary action I've seen over at the Department of Defense has been directed at some low-level foot soldiers who were just following orders.

I've never cared for the practice of sacrificing the talents of a person, because they aren't perfect. Another topical example is this person who dropped out of the nomination for Homeland Security chief because of some domestic servant issue. I think that kind of thing is a silly reason to disqualfy someone over.

well, his job as a lot to do with immigration. how can someone who has knowingly employed illegal immigrants be expected to manage immigration issues? plus, he flat out lied to Bush and co about several career-breaking issues (the nanny, the affair, illegally accepting "gifts" from people who do business with the city, etc).
 
Originally posted by: GrGr
It that would be a major, major embarrassment for Bush if Rumbo is forced to resign. Bush adopted Rumbo's attack Iraq plan as his very own. "Mission accomplished" indeed.
Yep. Although I don't think Mr. Rumsfeld has done anything other than smirk a little too often to deserve being replaced, he simply won't be because it'd be an implicit admission that he's fscked up somewhere along the line. So what are the points of criticism towards Mr. Rumsfeld? As far as I've read (not especially much on this subject), he merely outlined a general strategy for war and left the rest to the people who do planning best - the Pentagon.

Troop strength levels are one legitimate area of criticism - it's likely to be a case of politics overriding what's best for the soldiers.

I'm actually surprised he was informed enough about troop equipment status (which has now been debunked, I think?) to reply on the spot to that GI. You can't expect the SecDef to know everything about such a massive operation.

Sack Rumsfeld over Abu Ghraib? That's somewhat ridiculous. The SecDef may be where the buck stops, and he's making it stop by holding the soldiers responsible for that abuse scandal for martial trial. You can't honestly expect a Cabinet member to resign based on this. It's a freakin' war! Regulations are going to be bent or blown away completely; make an example out of those responsible and try your damnedest to make sure it doesn't happen again.

Senator Lott and McCain did not call for Rumsfeld's resignation or replacement - they merely stated some differences of opinion and advised him to listen more to his uniformed soldiers. Listening is good, but other than troop levels what areas of concerns are there? Being SecDef means taking the lead and taking some flak for the decisions he comes to, and if the President wanted Senators Lott or McCain to make those decisions well then I suppose he could swap 'em in.

Overall though IMO, Rumsfeld has done an average job.
 
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