Army combat brigade deployed on American soil

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Northcom's own website already answers the question about the Posse Comitus Act:

http://www.northcom.mil/About/index.html

USNORTHCOM?s civil support mission includes domestic disaster relief operations that occur during fires, hurricanes, floods and earthquakes. Support also includes counter-drug operations and managing the consequences of a terrorist event employing a weapon of mass destruction. The command provides assistance to a Lead Agency when tasked by DoD. Per the Posse Comitatus Act, military forces can provide civil support, but cannot become directly involved in law enforcement.

As to why the need Army troops, NORTHCOM currently has few permanent troops assigned. Having a core group that is already trained would assist in the missions they are tasked to do. It's simple preparedness, something this admin is not famous for. Yet when they actually do try to prepare they still get dinged.

That attitude won't change when Obama becomes President either. It'll just be a new batch of posters making the lame accusations. I can't wait for the major forum upheaval that's to come.

We get to replace Bush bashing with Obama bashing. But Clinton becomes But Bush! What's old becomes new again! It will be entertaining to have 7 years of searchable history. I expect much turnover.

Yep. There'll be an entirely new batch of rabid dogs. Which is fine, because the old rabid dogs became stale a while ago in here.

Just what this forum needs, an injection of fresh rabidity.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
FEMA is the most powerful agency in the US. If you read thier "crysis time" powers, it is truly scary. I fear them more than a general going maverick.....

Cool!! I really enjoyed the game crysis, but I never saw any 'crysis time' powers, is that something I missed?? Or a MOD perhaps?

From your posts, I think we are on the same side. But you might want to read the FEMA powers someone else posted in this thread. Very scary.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Budmantom
Too bad they aren't going to SF.

Yeah, they're going to Georgia. :Q

But no really, there's nothing unusual going on here...

 

[Ballatician]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
FEMA is the most powerful agency in the US. If you read thier "crysis time" powers, it is truly scary. I fear them more than a general going maverick.....

Cool!! I really enjoyed the game crysis, but I never saw any 'crysis time' powers, is that something I missed?? Or a MOD perhaps?

From your posts, I think we are on the same side. But you might want to read the FEMA powers someone else posted in this thread. Very scary.

Aren't we all on America's side?

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: scttgrd
Posse Comitatus Act, this makes it illegal to post federal soldiers for law enforcement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

Yea, just get the national guard. I don't feel comfortable with the army doing this..

Didn't you know? It doesn't matter what we're comfortable with, or what "makes sense", the pigs in office know better than us.

Edit: It's cute how the same people who are naysayers in this thread are the people who ate up all the horse-shit of the past 8 years.

If you would stop raging against the machine for just a minute and actually read the thread, you'd see why this isn't a bad thing.

 

[ebaycj]

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
FEMA is the most powerful agency in the US. If you read thier "crysis time" powers, it is truly scary. I fear them more than a general going maverick.....

Too much tv for you...

Too much Crysis as well.. It's spelled "crisis" in the real world.

 

[dphantom]

There is nothing sinister or unusual about this. I believe one of the originating documents can be found HERE.

The report documents past history and provides statutory and constitutional authority for deployment of Federal troops under clearly defined circumstances.

Posse commitatus refers specifically to law enforcement. The Stafford Act, Insurrection Act among others provides for the use of Federal troops.

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
A Brigade is what 1,500-3,000 strong?

Not enough to stop a civil insurrection by a long shot...

how many soldiers need to be present before the long shot becomes a short shot?

 

[Dufusyte]

# EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

# EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

# EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

# EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

# EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

# EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

# EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

# EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

# EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

# EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

# EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

# EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

# EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.

# EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months.

I do not understand this whole "Executive Order" thing. Isn't the Legislative Branch the one supposed to be making laws? How can the Executive just write an Order "I grant myself dictatorial authority" and then call it an Executive Order?

In my opinion these Executive Orders do not have force of law, because they are not legislated by Congress.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The source is a mainstream newspaper. Read it myself last week.

He snipped out the main reason for this though. The main reason is to have some troops ready for any natural disasters.

Let's say there is a major earthquake in Cali next week. This unit could quickly be moved into the area to assist with security and food distribution etc. Under the old system there were no units sitting at the ready in case of emergency.

BTW active duty military units were used in NO after Katrina so this is not without precedence.

Wait, Katrina happened HOW MANY years ago? And we're just NOW deciding to allocate some troops? Huh, I wonder why that is . . .

:roll:

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The source is a mainstream newspaper. Read it myself last week.

He snipped out the main reason for this though. The main reason is to have some troops ready for any natural disasters.

Let's say there is a major earthquake in Cali next week. This unit could quickly be moved into the area to assist with security and food distribution etc. Under the old system there were no units sitting at the ready in case of emergency.

BTW active duty military units were used in NO after Katrina so this is not without precedence.

Wait, Katrina happened HOW MANY years ago? And we're just NOW deciding to allocate some troops? Huh, I wonder why that is . . .

:roll:

Possibly because we have the troops back in the states now. They were not available previously.

 

[dphantom]

Originally posted by: Dufusyte

I do not understand this whole "Executive Order" thing. Isn't the Legislative Branch the one supposed to be making laws? How can the Executive just write an Order "I grant myself dictatorial authority" and then call it an Executive Order?

In my opinion these Executive Orders do not have force of law, because they are not legislated by Congress.[/quote]

Executive orders all have a basis for authority in statutory law or the constitution. No president can just make up an executive order. There has to be a legal basis in law and a finding as well in many cases.

 

[dphantom]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The source is a mainstream newspaper. Read it myself last week.

He snipped out the main reason for this though. The main reason is to have some troops ready for any natural disasters.

Let's say there is a major earthquake in Cali next week. This unit could quickly be moved into the area to assist with security and food distribution etc. Under the old system there were no units sitting at the ready in case of emergency.

BTW active duty military units were used in NO after Katrina so this is not without precedence.

Wait, Katrina happened HOW MANY years ago? And we're just NOW deciding to allocate some troops? Huh, I wonder why that is . . .

:roll:

Possibly because we have the troops back in the states now. They were not available previously.

That's not quite accurate. Force deployment overseas has overtaxed our military, but even at worst, there were 4 Army divisions amd 1 Marine division always home plus the ready brigade of the 82nd Airborne.

This development is on outcome of Katrina and other disasters that are of a magnitude where local and State authorities even with NG help, may be overwhelmed.

Federal troops have been used many times before in natural disasters or civil disturbances, but now we see dedicated training being done that will allow Federal troops to better respond to an emergency.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: scttgrd
Posse Comitatus Act, this makes it illegal to post federal soldiers for law enforcement.

Who are you calling a pussy communist?

edit: emphasis

Ok Connery

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: Dufusyte

# EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

# EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

# EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

# EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

# EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

# EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

# EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

# EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

# EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

# EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

# EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

# EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

# EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.

# EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months.

I do not understand this whole "Executive Order" thing. Isn't the Legislative Branch the one supposed to be making laws? How can the Executive just write an Order "I grant myself dictatorial authority" and then call it an Executive Order?

In my opinion these Executive Orders do not have force of law, because they are not legislated by Congress.

Did you guys not make it past 7th grade? It's the system of checks and balances. Executive orders can be made, and the president has certain powers.... Of course these executive orders are already written down somewhere and the president can just execute them.

 

[mooseracing]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The main reason is to have some troops ready for any natural disasters.

I think the main reason is when they pass this dumbass bailout bill, I know I am going to be pissed as hell. I'll look up everyone that votes on it and won't vote for them again. I can't beleive the country as a whole isn't doing more to stop the government from passing this....all going to be on our shoulders.

 

[piasabird]

Maybe they need to deploy in california to enforce the current Immigration Laws.

 

[SleepWalkerX]

I thought Alex Jones was supposed to be the crazy one.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: SleepWalkerX
I thought Alex Jones was supposed to be the crazy one.

How does this change anything those idiots say?

 

[SleepWalkerX]

Originally posted by: BeauJangles

Originally posted by: SleepWalkerX
I thought Alex Jones was supposed to be the crazy one.

How does this change anything those idiots say?

There are ARMY troops deployed WITHIN the UNITED STATES. You're in denial if you don't believe we're heading towards fascism.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: SleepWalkerX

Originally posted by: BeauJangles

Originally posted by: SleepWalkerX
I thought Alex Jones was supposed to be the crazy one.

How does this change anything those idiots say?

There are ARMY troops deployed WITHIN the UNITED STATES. You're in denial if you don't believe we're heading towards fascism.

You're not intelligent if you honestly believe this is fascism or close to it. True hurts, and Alex Jones is a nut beyond compare.

 

[vhx]

Originally posted by: Evan

Originally posted by: SleepWalkerX

Originally posted by: BeauJangles

Originally posted by: SleepWalkerX
I thought Alex Jones was supposed to be the crazy one.

How does this change anything those idiots say?

There are ARMY troops deployed WITHIN the UNITED STATES. You're in denial if you don't believe we're heading towards fascism.

You're not intelligent if you honestly believe this is fascism or close to it. True hurts, and Alex Jones is a nut beyond compare.

Alex Jones is a nut job. However, you must be plain retarded if you can't see troops being deployed against Americans outside of bases 'close' to fascism. The phrase hop, skip, and a jump away is relevant here. Plus the fact they are increasing around the time the economy is going down the crapper probably means they expect a shit storm for whatever is about to happen in the not too distant future.

EDIT: Normally this might be even be illegal (according to the Posse Comitatus Act someone posted about sometime ago) if it weren't for them terrorizers everyone is so afraid of. Anything to feel safer, amirite?! And really, 20,000 doesn't really seem like much right now though. However, you can probably expect those numbers to increase over time.

 

[First]

Alex Jones is a nut job. However, you must be plain retarded if you can't see troops being deployed against Americans outside of bases 'close' to fascism. The phrase hop, skip, and a jump away is relevant here.

Uh, why? We have been deploying troops within our borders for a good 232 years; yes, since the day of our founding. This is well documented and is used for several reasons; to aid in natural disasters (first and foremost), and to aid in the public well being (riots, like in L.A. in the 90's, or the Civil Rights Movement in the 60's).

Plus the fact they are increasing around the time the economy is going down the crapper probably means they expect a shit storm for whatever is about to happen in the not too distant future.

This is total conjecture and I seriously doubt if any influential public officials seriously considered this line of thinking in their reasoning to deploy troops.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: scttgrd
It seems the government has a plan to keep us all under control when the next emergency happens. The army will be deployed to keep us obedient, at least they aren't sicking Blackwater on us, yet.

By Gina Cavallaro - Staff writer
Posted : Monday Sep 8, 2008 6:15:06 EDT

The 3rd Infantry Division?s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent 35 of the last 60 months in Iraq patrolling in full battle rattle, helping restore essential services and escorting supply convoys. Now they?re training for the same mission ? with a twist ? at home.

Beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist

<snip>

...They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack.

...The 1st BCT?s soldiers also will learn how to use ?the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has fielded,? 1st BCT commander Col. Roger Cloutier said, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.

?It?s a new modular package of nonlethal capabilities that they?re fielding. They?ve been using pieces of it in Iraq, but this is the first time that these modules were consolidated and this package fielded, and because of this mission we?re undertaking we were the first to get it.?

The package includes equipment to stand up a hasty road block; spike strips for slowing, stopping or controlling traffic; shields and batons; and, beanbag bullets.

I might be crazy but I thought this was against the law, is there anything the current administration wont do to have it there way. I never thought I would live to see the day that the financial system is in danger of collapse, and the army being used against American citizens. Unbelieveable.

You my friend are one scared little kid and for no reason!!
Only wimpering scared little kids read the kind of stuff you are reading into this.....
But you did provide a good laugh!!! hahaaaaaa

 

[0marTheZealot]

yea, they are going to be deployed for "natural disasters" just like when we went into Iraq to find WMDs.