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Armed Militia Members take over Federal Building in Oregon

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Jaskalas said:
How so? He did not pardon the criminals who seized the federal building in Oregon. Just the men they were standing for.
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Because they were guilty as fuck and risked several peoples lives including the people they were with and the fire fighters who handled the blaze. This wasn't some accident here.

Witnesses at trial, including a relative of the Hammonds, testified the arson occurred shortly after Steven Hammond and his hunting party illegally slaughtered several deer on BLM property. Jurors were told that Steven Hammond handed out “Strike Anywhere” matches with instructions that they be lit and dropped on the ground because they were going to “light up the whole country on fire.” One witness testified that he barely escaped the eight to ten foot high flames caused by the arson. The fire consumed 139 acres of public land and destroyed all evidence of the game violations. After committing the arson, Steven Hammond called the BLM office in Burns, Oregon and claimed the fire was started on Hammond property to burn off invasive species and had inadvertently burned onto public lands. Dwight and Steven Hammond told one of their relatives to keep his mouth shut and that nobody needed to know about the fire.
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MomentsofSanity said:
Because they were guilty as fuck and risked several peoples lives including the people they were with and the fire fighters who handled the blaze. This wasn't some accident here.
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Yeah, the arson aspect is interesting. However, it's not so simple as saying they "got away" with something. They had already served their sentences for those crimes.

President Trump pardons Oregon ranchers whose plight led to refuge occupation

They served the time and were out of prison when prosecutors challenged the shorter terms before the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals and won. Another federal judge in 2015 sent the ranchers back to complete the full sentences.​
 
Jaskalas said:
Yeah, the arson aspect is interesting. However, it's not so simple as saying they "got away" with something. They had already served their sentences for those crimes.

President Trump pardons Oregon ranchers whose plight led to refuge occupation

They served the time and were out of prison when prosecutors challenged the shorter terms before the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals and won. Another federal judge in 2015 sent the ranchers back to complete the full sentences.​
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Because a judge disregarded the mandatory sentencing for the arson. As it stands that is the law. And I find mandatory minimums abhorrent but it wasn't excessive given what they had done.

Regardless a commutation vs. a full pardon would have been different. We are talking complete pardon here.
 
Jaskalas said:
Yeah, the arson aspect is interesting. However, it's not so simple as saying they "got away" with something. They had already served their sentences for those crimes.

President Trump pardons Oregon ranchers whose plight led to refuge occupation

They served the time and were out of prison when prosecutors challenged the shorter terms before the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals and won. Another federal judge in 2015 sent the ranchers back to complete the full sentences.​
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I think mandatory minimums should be abolished but until they are judges can't just ignore them. The judge's sentences violated the law so they weren't valid.
 
MomentsofSanity said:
Because a judge disregarded the mandatory sentencing for the arson.

Regardless a commutation vs. a full pardon would have been different. We are talking complete pardon here.
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I don't think anyone is chomping at the bit to go through the jail / prison time and legal battle that those ranchers went through.

It's a bit silly to come out of this thinking they "got away with it".
 
AznAnarchy99 said:
Ha. Not the craziest thing he's done. The Arizona sheriff was worse.
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That is very true. This is merely foolish and a transparent ploy to use the pardon power to help people from his political tribe. It's corrupt, but it's the kind of everyday corruption that we're used to out of this guy.

Arpaio was a direct threat to constitutional governance in the US. Of all the things Trump has done so far that was one of the worst.
 
Good people, best people.

More proof the Bundy clan is welfare queen level trash



Edit: Go here!

Ammon Bundy

Now there's a name that hasn't been in the news for awhile. Last I remember he lost his bid for governor of Idaho. Now he has accused a Boise hospital, its CEO, a doctor and a nurse practitioner of malpractice of a grandchild of a friend. They sued him (and the grandfather of the child and...
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