Armed Militia Members take over Federal Building in Oregon

[Jhhnn]

Except that Shady's bullshit story was debunked back when the Bundys first spouted it.

Well, yeh, but the persistence of Faith in lies is a constant along the right fringe.

 

[blankslate]

Oklahoma shut down his white people don't get called terrorists argument pretty fast didn't it? We shouldn't have to hear that load of bullshit for the rest of the thread.

He was a mass murderer. These are armed people occupying property that isn't theirs in support of criminals (one could argue the sentence length). Arguably they have political aims. They're in two different categories in case you didn't notice. Nah, you're ilk doesn't pay attention to details like that.

If it were just that then I would agree with you 100%, but with your references to BLM and only minority comparisons of who you think only gets tagged as 'terrorist' it carries a white guilt problem with it too.

Sorry but they're terrorists on the same level that Black Lives Matter supporters would be if they took a building that didn't belong to them and made similar statements about you better not try and remove us.

We already have examples of jihadist motivated examples of terrorist who have killed in the U.S.

You can be a terrorist without killing people as hijackers have shown in the past.

And yeah your un-ironic use of the word triggered puts you on the level of gamergate trolls.


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[Sheik Yerbouti]

Oklahoma shut down his white people don't get called terrorists argument pretty fast didn't it? We shouldn't have to hear that load of bullshit for the rest of the thread.

right, that incident puts the whole racial disparity thing to rest. thanks for pointing that out. so you're saying that if the people in Oregon, who were armed, were Black or Muslim, this would be playing out EXACTLY as it is now?

 

[TheSlamma]

Those types always get their weekly talking points mixed up and have to go back to consult the echo sphere.

Which is bizarre, because there's only ever ~3 talking points over a 2-3 week period.


The SJW thing has been going strong for a nearly a year, though.

Because the same people keep trying to play the same card over and over again.

If you don't see this trend then you are blind:

1: When a thread starts up about a non-white male doing something bad, someone has to come in and talk about how a white person did something bad once too. Dont' ask me why that is just what makes them feel better.

2: When a thread about a bad white person comes along it's "why isn't this person being referred to as" insert whatever makes blankslate feel good about himself.

While racist conservatives and reverse racist liberals are figuring out color and name labels I am just looking at the bad actions.

 

[TheSlamma]

He was a mass murderer. These are armed people occupying property that isn't theirs in support of criminals (one could argue the sentence length). Arguably they have political aims. They're in two different categories in case you didn't notice. Nah, you're ilk doesn't pay attention to details like that.



Sorry but they're terrorists on the same level that Black Lives Matter supporters would be if they took a building that didn't belong to them and made similar statements about you better not try and remove us.

We already have examples of jihadist motivated examples of terrorist who have killed in the U.S.

You can be a terrorist without killing people as hijackers have shown in the past.

And yeah your un-ironic use of the word triggered puts you on the level of gamergate trolls.

I just used it as a word numb nut, with no reference to this event at all. But that is fine, I see this argument is 99% in your head instead of in facts.

 

[blankslate]

Because the same people keep trying to play the same card over and over again.

If you don't see this trend then you are blind:

1: When a thread starts up about a non-white male doing something bad, someone has to come in and talk about how a white person did something bad once too. Dont' ask me why that is just what makes them feel better.

2: When a thread about a bad white person comes along it's "why isn't this person being referred to as" insert whatever makes blankslate feel good about himself.

While racist conservatives and reverse racist liberals are figuring out color and name labels I am just looking at the bad actions.

Then you should realize that mass murder in the case of Oklahoma is vastly different than what's happening in Oregon....

but maybe not.

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[TheSlamma]

right, that incident puts the whole racial disparity thing to rest. thanks for pointing that out. so you're saying that if the people in Oregon, who were armed, were Black or Muslim, this would be playing out EXACTLY as it is now?

Nope, didn't say that at all, if they were Black or Muslim there would probably be a raid on the place already.

Now, try to answer this honestly if you can, if we called these people terrorists would that cause the raid to happen too or is the underlying lack of response by the cops in their skin color and not in the wording being used?

Now if you can actually answer that honestly, maybe then you can reel it in and finally see why the wording is a waste of time.

 

[TheSlamma]

Then you should realize that mass murder in the case of Oklahoma is vastly different than what's happening in Oregon....

but maybe not.

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I made my stance clear, the wording is what has YOU tied up wasting your time with shit that doesn't matter. Don't include me in your limited capacity, I'm about the actions, if you want to graduate to that level then my answer is no, I don't see them on the same level at all.

If you think calling these guys terrorists is going to make the police barge in and treat these people like it was an ISIS attack then I again think you put too much weight in wording (maybe that is what you are hoping for though? I can't tell). Comparing it to past events also isn't going to change the problem with currently have with the police either.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Nope, didn't say that at all, if they were Black or Muslim there would probably be a raid on the place already.

Now, try to answer this honestly if you can, if we called these people terrorists would that cause the raid to happen too or is the underlying lack of response by the cops in their skin color and not in the wording being used?

Now if you can actually answer that honestly, maybe then you can reel it in and finally see why the wording is a waste of time.

well painting someone as a terrorist tends to make the actions against them a little more serious than just 'peaceful protesters' and right now that is how the most of the media is painting them. Or an 'armed militia'
But once they become 'terrorists' a new set of rules apply, don't they? So it's just a little more than a word in this instance.

 

[ivwshane]

Nope, didn't say that at all, if they were Black or Muslim there would probably be a raid on the place already.

Now, try to answer this honestly if you can, if we called these people terrorists would that cause the raid to happen too or is the underlying lack of response by the cops in their skin color and not in the wording being used?

Now if you can actually answer that honestly, maybe then you can reel it in and finally see why the wording is a waste of time.

Of course the words don't matter which is why we are laughing at righties who have been so adamant about calling things what they are, you know the whole obama won't call terrorist "muslim extremists". The left is pointing out the rights hypocrisy and you don't seem to understand that.

 

[TheSlamma]

well painting someone as a terrorist tends to make the actions against them a little more serious than just 'peaceful protesters' and right now that is how the most of the media is painting them. Or an 'armed militia'
But once they become 'terrorists' a new set of rules apply, don't they? So it's just a little more than a word in this instance.

I think you dodged my question but I like a lot of what you say most of the time Sheik so I'll give you my answer. No I don't think labeling these guys terrorists would change this at all.

I think If they were a "Muslim Militia" I think this would be going different (raided already).. don't you?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I think you dodged my question but I like a lot of what you say most of the time Sheik so I'll give you my answer. No I don't think labeling these guys terrorists would change this at all.

I think If they were a "Muslim Militia" I think this would be going different (raided already).. don't you?

They would have been raided before 36 hours expired if they were a "Muslim Militia" probably with numerous casualties as well. It's exceedingly hypocritical to not label these asswipes as anything other than terrorists.
And to those who are labeling them patriots, that's just sickening, and laughable at the same time.

 

[DrDoug]

Why are you playing the SJW card?

It's really not applicable here and makes you look foolish.

What's laughable is this moron comes in saying that he doesn't care what they are called and then drops the SJW label, a label that they love to drop on anyone who disagrees with them.

He cares, that's why he's here...lol!

 

[TheSlamma]

What's laughable is this moron comes in saying that he doesn't care what they are called and then drops the SJW label, a label that they love to drop on anyone who disagrees with them.

He cares, that's why he's here...lol!

I care about the issue and how it gets resolved. Maybe you should read more than just the few lines you want to and then just form an opinion, instead you could actually just post a fact.

What is the goal with labeling them terrorists? At that point do you hope the police will go in and raid the place?

My stance is how about in this case we shut off electricity and water get them to come out and charge them with their crimes and they can go to prison alive. I would want the same thing for a Muslim militia, BLM, Knitters club, I don't care who it is. My goal is equal lack of police force no matter race (I have a long history of posts in police force threads and my dislike for their use of it you can base a fact on before you form a fake opinion) The only time I want police force is when it becomes violent and people are getting hurt or dying.

So yes, I have a problem with social justice when it becomes self destructive just to make a point.

 

[MrPickins]

What is the goal with labeling them terrorists?

Some people like to call a spade a spade, especially when the other side insists on calling it a spoon.

 

[IronWing]

$530,000 says Ammon Bundy is a hypocrite.

 

[TheSlamma]

Some people like to call a spade a spade, especially when the other side insists on calling it a spoon.

Some people need to stop giving free rent to "the other side" in their brain and move on with more important issues.

 

[UberNeuman]

$530,000 says Ammon Bundy is a hypocrite.

10 dollars says Ammon is a nut.

 

[ivwshane]

Some people need to stop giving free rent to "the other side" in their brain and move on with more important issues.

There is a whole block of voters who have voted in politicians that have essentially stopped government from functioning properly, how exactly do you expect to "move on with more important issues", with these people still in power and still being supported?

If you have a non violent answer then I suggest you start your own presidential campaign because, so far, none of the smartest people in politics had been able to come up with an answer.

 

[MrPickins]

Some people need to stop giving free rent to "the other side" in their brain and move on with more important issues.

Maybe you should take your own advice then, as you seem to be one of most vociferous in regards to the "terrorist" label.

 

[DrDoug]

I care about the issue and how it gets resolved. Maybe you should read more than just the few lines you want to and then just form an opinion, instead you could actually just post a fact.

What is the goal with labeling them terrorists? At that point do you hope the police will go in and raid the place?

My stance is how about in this case we shut off electricity and water get them to come out and charge them with their crimes and they can go to prison alive. I would want the same thing for a Muslim militia, BLM, Knitters club, I don't care who it is. My goal is equal lack of police force no matter race (I have a long history of posts in police force threads and my dislike for their use of it you can base a fact on before you form a fake opinion) The only time I want police force is when it becomes violent and people are getting hurt or dying.

So yes, I have a problem with social justice when it becomes self destructive just to make a point.

I didn't laugh at your stand, I laughed at your means of supporting it. I also want it to end peacefully with arrests as I have stated previously in this thread. I live here in Oregon, this is my home. We don't need outsiders coming into our state, dragging their bullshit along with them to make their point here. So I guess we are in agreement here, right?

In my opinion they are militia assholes who haven't got a clue about how to do something right. People can rag on BLM protesters and their actions but at least they keep their fights in their areas where the problems are and aim to keep weapons out of the fight. These assholes are too damned chicken to directly confront those they view as the problem, instead they load up on weapons, pick a place they already control (Bundy's ranch, takeover of an empty federal facility) and then hope that the government comes and gives them the confrontation they want.

This SJW bullshit makes guys who spout it look silly, really. Fucking acronyms are supposed to be insulting? Childish. Three letters that only mean something to the people who made it up. I've seen morons try to insult people they disagree with by calling them a SJW and the alleged SJW had to ask wtf SJW means. ProTip: If your insult requires further explanation once it is deployed, you failed with your insult. If I am going to insult someone I'm not going to use some fucking lame acronym whose use identifies me as an idiot incapable of insulting someone without alphabet letters some kid put together to taunt people...lol! If you are going to make a point and/or insult someone then don't be lazy, put some work into it and do it yourself, in your own words!

The results are much more rewarding.

 

[TheSlamma]

I didn't laugh at your stand, I laughed at your means of supporting it. I also want it to end peacefully with arrests as I have stated previously in this thread. I live here in Oregon, this is my home. We don't need outsiders coming into our state, dragging their bullshit along with them to make their point here. So I guess we are in agreement here, right?

In my opinion they are militia assholes who haven't got a clue about how to do something right. People can rag on BLM protesters and their actions but at least they keep their fights in their areas where the problems are and aim to keep weapons out of the fight. These assholes are too damned chicken to directly confront those they view as the problem, instead they load up on weapons, pick a place they already control (Bundy's ranch, takeover of an empty federal facility) and then hope that the government comes and gives them the confrontation they want.

This SJW bullshit makes guys who spout it look silly, really. Fucking acronyms are supposed to be insulting? Childish. Three letters that only mean something to the people who made it up. I've seen morons try to insult people they disagree with by calling them a SJW and the alleged SJW had to ask wtf SJW means. ProTip: If your insult requires further explanation once it is deployed, you failed with your insult. If I am going to insult someone I'm not going to use some fucking lame acronym whose use identifies me as an idiot incapable of insulting someone without alphabet letters some kid put together to taunt people...lol! If you are going to make a point and/or insult someone then don't be lazy, put some work into it and do it yourself, in your own words!

The results are much more rewarding.

Yeah we agree on that, and sorry this happened in your home, i love oregon, been there a few times now since the early 90's, portland, garibaldi, rockaway, astoria. Loved em all, you have a beautiful home!

Yeah i got ya on the SJW man my intent was i dont like when it becomes a tit for tat that never gets to the real problem and in turn just becomes counterproductive


I want equal treatment for all groups, but i want it to be directed upwards is it wrong that white people many times (not all) get better treatment by cops.. Without question, but instead of treating them with what i see as excessive force to "even it out" i would rather excessive force be dealt with and no one receive it

 

[blankslate]

If you think calling these guys terrorists is going to make the police barge in and treat these people like it was an ISIS attack then I again think you put too much weight in wording (maybe that is what you are hoping for though? I can't tell). Comparing it to past events also isn't going to change the problem with currently have with the police either.

I think calling them what they are might, just might stop them from acting out in similar ways in the future. Simple as that.

Oh and this....

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[TheSlamma]

I think calling them what they are might, just might stop them from acting out in similar ways in the future. Simple as that.

Oh and this....

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Lol well that i can agree with too, and sorry i took it as you wanted it in an escalate to violence stance or just to show them what it's like instead of a preventative stance. I should not have assumed that, heck it makes me mad when people do that to me

 

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