If my poo starts to clock then I'll be in more trouble than I already am with 3x cellulitis in my legs 😅
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Discussion ARM Cortex/Neoverse IP + SoCs (no custom cores) Discussion
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adroc_thurston
Diamond Member
That's actually the way-harder part.
Clocking high IPC cores up without area and power exploding is real tough.
Geekbench users will be happy, not sure if anyone else will notice.
I'm sure PR departments will be.
Now they can add another half dozen AI's to their presentations 😂😆😩😭
Where did that come from?
That is a question I made, the reason is that there is already A320.
Cortex-A320 | Armv9 IoT Processor Excels in AI, Efficiency, and Security
The Arm Cortex-A320 CPU, an ultra-efficient Armv9 processor, powers secure, high-performance IoT platforms with advanced AI acceleration and efficiency.
www.arm.com
A320 is like the v9-A equivalent to A5 in the v7-A generation, or A32 in the v8-A generation.That is a question I made, the reason is that there is already A320.
Cortex-A320 | Armv9 IoT Processor Excels in AI, Efficiency, and Security
The Arm Cortex-A320 CPU, an ultra-efficient Armv9 processor, powers secure, high-performance IoT platforms with advanced AI acceleration and efficiency.
It's meant to be the lowest power core possible without dropping to microcontrollers which AFAIK have a reduced or different featureset.
A320 is likely to go into wearables and higher power embedded use cases, while A5xx is (post A7xx efficiency core branding) for STBs, streaming dongles etc.
They aren't intended for the same markets, so A3xx µArch has nothing to do with A5xx beyond likely being a baseline before it was stripped down to bare minimum in area/power while retaining as much IPC as possible.
They aren't intended for the same markets, so A3xx µArch has nothing to do with A5xx beyond likely being a baseline before it was stripped down to bare minimum in area/power while retaining as much IPC as possible.
Orange Pi 6 Plus Review: A 12-Core SBC Powerhouse (Benchmarks, Specs, and
Exciting news! The highly anticipated Orange Pi 6 Plus, boasting an impressive 12-core ARM board, has finally been released and is now available worldwide.
www.androidpimp.com
Look like another board based on the CIX SoC is on the way.
Oh boy... that IS a high tier processor and if Orange goes with that, means a sub USD 150 board is coming with SD 888 tier processor if not more.Orange Pi 6 Plus Review: A 12-Core SBC Powerhouse (Benchmarks, Specs, and
Exciting news! The highly anticipated Orange Pi 6 Plus, boasting an impressive 12-core ARM board, has finally been released and is now available worldwide.
Look like another board based on the CIX SoC is on the way.
Something I missed a week ago is that the Cortex branding appears to be going away in favor of new brandings for different market segments.
newsroom.arm.com
Lumex appears to be for mobile/tablets, Niva is for PCs (likely including laptops).
Other new brandings like Zena and Orbis are for auto (former AE type) and embedded markets.
It also appears that the old Axxx and Xnnn naming schemes for CPU core IPs are going away in favor of Ultra, Premium, Pro, Nano, and Pico.
Pico likely replaces the M for microcontrollers.
That would almost certainly make Travis/X930 the Ultra core for the 2025 IP, though no word about numbering for that.
If the rumors about Alto/X930 are true it might be Premium, with Gelas/A730 as Pro and Nevis/A530 as Nano.
Mali/Immortalis GPU branding seems to be unaffected by this change.
There's nothing about the actual ISA naming changing, so it should still be v9-A.
The Arm Evolution: From IP to Platform for the AI Era
To better communicate Arm's platforms to the outside world, new product naming architecture is being introduced.
newsroom.arm.com
Lumex appears to be for mobile/tablets, Niva is for PCs (likely including laptops).
Other new brandings like Zena and Orbis are for auto (former AE type) and embedded markets.
It also appears that the old Axxx and Xnnn naming schemes for CPU core IPs are going away in favor of Ultra, Premium, Pro, Nano, and Pico.
Pico likely replaces the M for microcontrollers.
That would almost certainly make Travis/X930 the Ultra core for the 2025 IP, though no word about numbering for that.
If the rumors about Alto/X930 are true it might be Premium, with Gelas/A730 as Pro and Nevis/A530 as Nano.
Mali/Immortalis GPU branding seems to be unaffected by this change.
There's nothing about the actual ISA naming changing, so it should still be v9-A.
Don't forget A320, that's Pico.Something I missed a week ago is that the Cortex branding appears to be going away in favor of new brandings for different market segments.
The Arm Evolution: From IP to Platform for the AI Era
To better communicate Arm's platforms to the outside world, new product naming architecture is being introduced.
Lumex appears to be for mobile/tablets, Niva is for PCs (likely including laptops).
Other new brandings like Zena and Orbis are for auto (former AE type) and embedded markets.
It also appears that the old Axxx and Xnnn naming schemes for CPU core IPs are going away in favor of Ultra, Premium, Pro, Nano, and Pico.
Pico likely replaces the M for microcontrollers.
That would almost certainly make Travis/X930 the Ultra core for the 2025 IP, though no word about numbering for that.
If the rumors about Alto/X930 are true it might be Premium, with Gelas/A730 as Pro and Nevis/A530 as Nano.
Mali/Immortalis GPU branding seems to be unaffected by this change.
There's nothing about the actual ISA naming changing, so it should still be v9-A.
So Nano and Pico are In Order cores?
Possibly, but I wouldn't bet on it.
Pico should be extremely low power in the range of µW's, which is largely the microcontroller power regime.
A320 should be pretty low power, but more in the range of tens of mW's.
Last I heard A5x/5xx was supposed to be in the range of 100-250 mW's.
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Certainly Pico I'd imagine will remain InO.
But going forward I wouldn't be surprised to find ARM using one of those hybrid Ino/OoO µArchs I mentioned from research papers over the last 10-16 years.
Like slice out of order (sOoO) in the A5xx segment.
If they can realise the claims of those research papers in a production CPU µArch we could see some serious perf/watt gains in lower end cores.
I thought the same a week ago, but during the Computex presentation ARM's CEO said "later in the year", so it may be later than usual for them this time around.
Imagine if in that period Qualcomm, Apple and Huawei launches their next iteration reducing the hype of stock ARM processors.
QC has their event in September, it will likely come before that.
One of their new branded platforms Zena got announced a couple of days ago:
newsroom.arm.com
Seems a bit anaemic tbh, just an AE version of Cortex A720, which is actually a step down from the V3AE announced last year for vehicular compute.
Automakers Can Launch AI-Defined Vehicles a Full Year Sooner - Powered by Arm Zena CSS
Arm Zena CSS accelerates software and silicon development for automotive markets, helping deliver AI capabilities faster and more efficiently.
newsroom.arm.com
Seems a bit anaemic tbh, just an AE version of Cortex A720, which is actually a step down from the V3AE announced last year for vehicular compute.
NTMBK
Lifer
Lumex sounds like a sanitary productSomething I missed a week ago is that the Cortex branding appears to be going away in favor of new brandings for different market segments.
The Arm Evolution: From IP to Platform for the AI Era
To better communicate Arm's platforms to the outside world, new product naming architecture is being introduced.
Lumex appears to be for mobile/tablets, Niva is for PCs (likely including laptops).
Other new brandings like Zena and Orbis are for auto (former AE type) and embedded markets.
It also appears that the old Axxx and Xnnn naming schemes for CPU core IPs are going away in favor of Ultra, Premium, Pro, Nano, and Pico.
Pico likely replaces the M for microcontrollers.
That would almost certainly make Travis/X930 the Ultra core for the 2025 IP, though no word about numbering for that.
If the rumors about Alto/X930 are true it might be Premium, with Gelas/A730 as Pro and Nevis/A530 as Nano.
Mali/Immortalis GPU branding seems to be unaffected by this change.
There's nothing about the actual ISA naming changing, so it should still be v9-A.
You're not wrong there 😅
IMHO it was a really dumb move to separate mobile and PC brands when they use exactly the same cores anyway.
Who the hell thought Lumex and Niva were great brand names?
Ryzen is brilliant, Oryon is brilliant.
ARM choices are so very meh by comparison.
They should have trolled Qualcomm and called one Syrius 😂
Io Magnesso
Senior member
This is interesting
Io Magnesso
Senior member
It seems to be an academic event sponsored by ARM.
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