Arizona's Next Immigration Target: Children of Illegals

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Children born in the USA should carry the citizenship of their parents. Should the parents be LEGAL immigrants, the child may be granted citizenship if the parents wish, but they should have to apply for it before the child's first birthday...otherwise, the child gets a green card like their parents.

Will this ever happen? Fuck no. Too many bleeding-hearts in this country. "Oh, won't someone please think of the child?"

See, now you're just taking this bill which is aimed at combating illegal immigrants to make it hard for LEGAL immigrants, which the parents are in your scenario, to have a child that becomes a citizen. Nothing wrong with the child becoming a citizen. This was the whole point of this anchor baby crap.

THe problem is that illegals are using it to get their kids to become legals. You on the other hand just don't like immigration period. I've seen your anti-Asian posts before. It wreaks of uneducated trash....

 

[child of wonder]

I stick by my previous statement.

Oh, and profiling is not a violation of the constitution. I know your types like to add racial on the front end to assuage your guilty feelings.

LMFAO

Here we go again.

More "you don't agree with me???? You must be one of THEM!!"

Totally mindless drivel.

OK, this is for your sake. I am a gay, atheist, French-Canadian liberal who works for the IRS. I dress stylishly and enjoy Sex and the City. I think anyone who disagrees with Obama is a racist and desperately want the US to become a Socialist country where no one can be rich or successful and we're all completely financially equal no matter how much we work.

There, you can furiously mentally masturbate to that because I am the embodiment of all that you hate. RAGE!!!!!!!!!!!! I am like a competing silverback come to pound my chest in your territory and steal your females. I am the enemy!!!!!!!!

 

[Turin39789]

I grew up in Minnesota. I left for the Navy in 1997. Every year I go back I see more and more illegals from south of the border, mostly Mexico.

Canadians are not causing any problems. They dont bring condoms full of cocaine in their asses, they speak english, they dont start gangs to kill each other for territory. I think if more illegals were like Canadians we wouldnt have all the hatred we do.

http://www.google.com/search?q=cana...-us&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1

Federal investigators said Thursday that they had broken an extensive criminal network that used fast, low-flying helicopters to smuggle a potent form of marijuana across the border from Canada through remote Western public lands.

Federal agents have closed down the first known smuggling tunnel under the U.S.-Canada border and arrested on drug charges the three Canadians who allegedly built it, law enforcement authorities said Thursday.

 

[dainthomas]

http://www.google.com/search?q=cana...-us&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1

Haha, ownage!

This just boils down to conservatives hating the parts of the constitution they don't agree with (as opposed to loving all of it, which they always profess). This, of course, makes them neither better nor worse than every other political persuasion. What a shock.

 

[blackangst1]

So what is the bill's number? It's not 1070, and the article only talks in broad strokes. Journalism is terrible these days - especially when covering legislation. All this discussion about nothing more than innuendo. It's amazing so many people on both sides know exactly what the Constitutional issues may be without even reading the thing. Perhaps the MSM journalists are delivering precisely the quality of news the public deserves...

Good catch. Looks like there is no bill as of now.

 

[potion]

I absolutely hate the anchor baby loophole, and seeing the illegal immigrants take advantage of our system (ever been to the birth and delivery section of a hospital in southern Texas? 99% illegals)... HOWEVER, the answer to this problem is not to create a law that tries to pull an end-run around the constitution. The correct answer is to close the damn border so the illegals can't get in the country to drop the anchor to begin with. Done. No legislation changes needed.

Also, instead of denying citizenship to Americans, how about the U.S. just STOP GIVING HANDOUTS PERIOD.

 

[potion]

See, now you're just taking this bill which is aimed at combating illegal immigrants to make it hard for LEGAL immigrants, which the parents are in your scenario, to have a child that becomes a citizen. Nothing wrong with the child becoming a citizen. This was the whole point of this anchor baby crap.

THe problem is that illegals are using it to get their kids to become legals. You on the other hand just don't like immigration period. I've seen your anti-Asian posts before. It wreaks of uneducated trash....

Not quite. In order for immigrants residing in the U.S. to qualify for permanent residence they must prove that they entered the country legally. People who are caught or discovered entering illegally cannot apply for legal residence unless they are pardoned.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

See, now you're just taking this bill which is aimed at combating illegal immigrants to make it hard for LEGAL immigrants, which the parents are in your scenario, to have a child that becomes a citizen. Nothing wrong with the child becoming a citizen. This was the whole point of this anchor baby crap.

THe problem is that illegals are using it to get their kids to become legals. You on the other hand just don't like immigration period. I've seen your anti-Asian posts before. It wreaks of uneducated trash....

Not quite. In order for immigrants residing in the U.S. to qualify for permanent residence they must prove that they entered the country legally. People who are caught or discovered entering illegally cannot apply for legal residence unless they are pardoned.

Oh no, I'm all for legal immigration. I hate illegals as much as the next guy does. I believe in deporting them. However I was referring to BoomerD's comment where he mentioned that LEGAL immigrants giving birth to a kid here shouldn't mean the kid gets to be a citizen. To me that's just BS. He's using this anchor baby law which is really designed to root out illegals and to close the loophole with illegals and using this law to attack legal immigrants. It's not too hard to see this guy doesn't view minorities quite friendly, especially in the state of CA where a chunk of the legal immigrants are Asians.

Allowing someone born in the US to get citizenship was designed for legal immigrants, and I'm all for continuing that. Why else do we even allow this then? It obviously wasn't meant for illegal immigrants. Close the loophole, but what's wrong with it applying for legal immigrants?

 

[CanOWorms]

Why don't you people just move to Europe instead of trying to Europeanize America? You're not going to win.

 

[nyker96]

In the case of the first law, it prevents easy opportunities for racial profiling and discrimination. While there are many illegal aliens in Arizona, there are many legal aliens or citizens of Hispanic origin. The police should not be harassing people who are here legally in the hopes they'll find the occasional illegal.

In the case of the second, it should not be permissible for two illegal aliens to enter the country, have a baby, then collect government assistance to care for that child. The Constitution should be amended to prevent that since it's current language allows for abuse.

agree w/ both points here.

 

[RaistlinZ]

They're going about this the wrong way. They need to push for a Constitutional amendment. Passing this law will only get overturned by the Supreme Court.

 

[BoomerD]

Oh no, I'm all for legal immigration. I hate illegals as much as the next guy does. I believe in deporting them. However I was referring to BoomerD's comment where he mentioned that LEGAL immigrants giving birth to a kid here shouldn't mean the kid gets to be a citizen. To me that's just BS. He's using this anchor baby law which is really designed to root out illegals and to close the loophole with illegals and using this law to attack legal immigrants. It's not too hard to see this guy doesn't view minorities quite friendly, especially in the state of CA where a chunk of the legal immigrants are Asians.

Allowing someone born in the US to get citizenship was designed for legal immigrants, and I'm all for continuing that. Why else do we even allow this then? It obviously wasn't meant for illegal immigrants. Close the loophole, but what's wrong with it applying for legal immigrants?

At no time did I say that the children of LEGAL immigrants should not have the OPPORTUNITY to become citizens, merely that the parents should have to apply for it...or request it.

It's kind of presumptious to think that every legal immigrant wants their children to be US citizens instead of citizens of whatever country they came from. Not ALL immigrants here intend to become permanent residents.

Remember, the 14th Amendment wasn't written to provide citizenship to the children of "immigrants," it was written to provide citizenship to freed slaves.

Contrary to your apparent beliefs, I'm not anti-immigrant, although I do believe we need to reduce the amount of immigration, at least until the economy gets better...AND, I believe we have the right and responsibility to pick and choose who gets in.

 

[retrospooty]

Canadians are not causing any problems. They dont bring condoms full of cocaine in their asses, they speak english, they dont start gangs to kill each other for territory. I think if more illegals were like Canadians we wouldnt have all the hatred we do.

Illegal immigrants arent bringing the drugs into this country... Drug runners are bringing them. There is a difference. And the whole drug policy is at fault, not Mexico or Mexicans. Illegal immigrants are just looking for a better life.

There are 2 camps of people that are for all of these Arizona anti immigrant laws.

1. Those that dramatically overestimate negative impact and grossly underestimate the positive impact of immigrants

2. those that dont like brown people.

I live in AZ, and I can tell you that most of the people here that are for these misguided laws are not racists, they are just conservative sheep that fall into the first category.

 

[shortylickens]

Illegal immigrants arent bringing the drugs into this country... Drug runners are bringing them. There is a difference. And the whole drug policy is at fault, not Mexico or Mexicans. Illegal immigrants are just looking for a better life.

There are 2 camps of people that are for all of these Arizona anti immigrant laws.

1. Those that dramatically overestimate negative impact and grossly underestimate the positive impact of immigrants

2. those that dont like brown people.

I live in AZ, and I can tell you that most of the people here that are for these misguided laws are not racists, they are just conservative sheep that fall into the first category.

And here lay the problem once again.
For some strange reason people keep lumping in illegals with immigrants and any time you wanna get rid of illegals the first and only argument is "BUT WE NEED IMMIGRATION!!!!!"

 

[theeedude]

I love the Constitution. Always evolving and stuff

 

[retrospooty]

And here lay the problem once again.
For some strange reason people keep lumping in illegals with immigrants and any time you wanna get rid of illegals the first and only argument is "BUT WE NEED IMMIGRATION!!!!!"

There are what, I think the count was 18 million of them here. Like it or not, right or wrong, the federal govt has been letting them in for the past 30+ years and not doing anything about it.

So, AZ creating laws that do ZERO to solve the issue, doesn't help. The only thing these laws are doing is creating animosity in the Latino community and dividing rather than uniting.

For the record, I agree, an "anchor baby" shouldnt be garanteed citizenship, I just think creating a law like this doesnt fix a damn thing. It just doesnt accomplish anything but making the latino community feel as if they arent welcome. Very unamerican. This country is a melting pot and is enriched by the Mexican culture. The sooner we realize that the better we all are.

 

[werepossum]

Not necessarily, see:

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServe...suecenters4608

Quote:
According to the Constitution's 14th Amendment, ratified in 1868 to ensure citizenship for the newly emancipated African Americans, "all persons, born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States." The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was intended to exclude from automatic citizenship American-born persons whose allegiance to the United States was incomplete. For example, Native Americans were excluded from American citizenship because of their tribal jurisdiction. Also not subject to American jurisdiction were foreign visitors, ambassadors, consuls, and their babies born here. In the case of illegal aliens, their native country has a claim of allegiance on the child. Therefore, some Constitutional scholars argue that the completeness of the allegiance to the United States is impaired and logically precludes automatic citizenship. However, this issue has never been directly decided by the U.S. Supreme Court.

That's an interesting point of view, but I think it represents a small minority amongst constitutional scholars. The natural counter would be that illegals are giving up their old country and risking their lives to make their babies citizens, so their old countries have no more hold on them than on legal immigrants. That's demonstrably untrue on many (most?) Mexican illegals, but you can't make law based on group statistical memes, and the justification amongst other groups (Native Americans, babies born to ambassadors, etc.) seem to me to be much more clear. Personally I'd be uncomfortable with a SCOTUS decision to this affect, even though I would appreciate the results. I much prefer not to split hairs, which would require an Amendment.