Arizona teachers -no longer require a college degree

[Uhtrinity]

When you live in a shithole state that doesn't treat public education and teachers well, You're going to have teacher shortages. Apparently the solution with the party that doesn't want to educate people, except with religion, the answer is reducing teacher qualification

Educators no longer need a college degree to begin teaching in Arizona public schools

Under legislation Gov. Doug Ducey signed earlier this week, a person only needs to be enrolled to get their college degree to begin teaching in public schools.

www.azfamily.com

The context of this thread is slightly misleading. My state does the same thing under an 'emergency hire' statute. The article states, "people who are already enrolled', what it should say is a teacher already enrolled and close to certification. It doesn't mean they have no education in education. Our school has done emergency hires of several staff over the last dozen years and every one completed their requirements within 12 - 18 months. If not they don't keep their job. They also operate under greater than usual mentorship from admin and other teachers.

Final word, state law usually only allows this if a full qualified teacher hasn't applied for the position, and puts strict deadlines on completion of certification. Btw, I've been teaching for 18 years, have an electronics and IT degree, and went through ABCTE (alternative certification path), and teach Computer Science and Technology to grade and middle schoolers. These types of programs are not bad as long as they have strict guidelines.

 

[Stokely]

Not a problem, just keep them women churning out the babies, even if you lose some the sheer numbers will compensate.

Teaching is a tough job and in some states at least the pay is low. I was in the last semester of my teaching degree, looked at the landscape and switched over to IT for 10 times less stress and double the pay...especially these days with bs like Desantis' "teach the good side of slavery" and bibles requires in classrooms, f that.

 

[Uhtrinity]

Not a problem, just keep them women churning out the babies, even if you lose some the sheer numbers will compensate.

Teaching is a tough job and in some states at least the pay is low. I was in the last semester of my teaching degree, looked at the landscape and switched over to IT for 10 times less stress and double the pay...especially these days with bs like Desantis' "teach the good side of slavery" and bibles requires in classrooms, f that.

Not gonna go into the politics side, for the most part our district has done a good job at staying politically neutral and sticking with providing a good working and learning environment while being in the top 10% of schools in the state.

I did the opposite, switched from IT to technical education, jumped through all the hoops, got certified as well as maintaining and expanding that education. Also kept my foot in the IT world by managing the school network and technology for an additional stipend. We currently have 2 buildings on campus and a student enrollment of about 800. Yeah, the salary is smaller than IT, but I actually do have less stress and better hours with most of my summer off. Also looking forward to collecting 401k (max contributions) and a state pension in abou 8 more years. I wouldn't get that unless I do IT for state, county, or city. We are also a state public charter school, so in general we also have a more behaved student population. I'm pretty sure I would have never survived in the regular local school district.

 

[Stokely]

At the time, the students were the least of the problems I saw heading my way. I was looking to get into elementary ed, which at the time (and likely now) needs more male teachers. I wouldn't have been able to handle the layers of school admin (I have had issues with corporate IT layers of ladder-climbing toadies) and frankly parents. Combine all that with one of the lowest pay scales for states at the time, and I just said nope. I sometimes regret it as it's so much more important of a job compared to what I ended up doing, but after talking with some veteran teachers I know over the years I wouldn't have made it.

For all the shit Florida has been doing to dismantle its education system, likewise our county is still good. My kids are both done now before the right wing stuff really takes hold thankfully. I'll be moving north when life permits (if not out of the US) and hopefully my kids will follow suit, but you know how the old "listen to dad" thing goes...

 

[Moonbeam]

Overall I support the move to lower requirements for civil service as most of them are just BS credentialing designed to reduce competition for jobs. (Say like civil service exams in New York)

Most teacher certification and continuing education requirements are useless and graduate teacher preparation programs don’t seem to do much of anything useful. I think you could throw them all in the trash and just replace them with some basic competency evaluation and as much classroom time as possible because that’s the one thing that we know really works - time spent teaching.

Get with the program. The point of this thread is to rave about how utterly destructive of all aspects of life Republican thinking is. They fuck up everything. What's this bull shit critical thinking you're trying to inject into this thread, Every teacher, every civil servant, every street sweeper should have at least one PhD. You bring a need for an umbrella to every parade.

 

[Indus]

you know how the old "listen to dad" thing goes...

If you say listen to dad.. kids never listen.

If you take the time to explain the process of how you arrived at your conclusion (basically showcasing your scientific data).. they tend to learn a lot faster than adults give em credit for.

It's basically teaching em a life skill and they use that vs some random "wise advice".