Arizona SWAT Team no knocks on innocent former marine and kills him

[Jaskalas]

Solution, place explosives at your front door. Instead of going for your gun - connect a wire.

 

[Zebo]

Yeah I'm sure he was a real POS - USMC vet, working 12 hr shifts to support his young family. Regardless, me thinks these wannabe seals thought they found OBL.

 

[wuliheron]

If there was no chance of survival, which I agree with, then why wait an hour? That really seems fishy to me.

If I had to guess they were trying to keep out anyone who might talk to reporters and desperately searching for some evidence to justify what they'd done. Its as natural a reaction for cops as a deer freezing in the headlights.

 

[Brovane]

If I had to guess they were trying to keep out anyone who might talk to reporters and desperately searching for some evidence to justify what they'd done. Its as natural a reaction for cops as a deer freezing in the headlights.

Unfortunately that was probably the case. All the wanna be Seal Team commandos needed to cover their tracks.

 

[Generator]

I didn't know SWAT teams consist of weekend Minute Men. Last I knew SWAT consisted of more strategy than 5 pigs trying to fit into a door all at once to pop a shot. This was nothing more than a lynching of some poor fuck Mexican.

The sun baked white dopes of Arizona do know they can't kill the Mexican problem away right? Arizona is going to burn if this wanton culling isn't muzzled.

 

[UberNeuman]

Jesus. It doesn't matter what side of the aisle you may stand.

This was so wrong.

 

[wuliheron]

I didn't know SWAT teams consist of weekend Minute Men. Last I knew SWAT consisted of more strategy than 5 pigs trying to fit into a door all at once to pop a shot. This was nothing more than a lynching of some poor fuck Mexican.

The sun baked white dopes of Arizona do know they can't kill the Mexican problem away right? Arizona is going to burn if this wanton culling isn't muzzled.

When racial profiling becomes lynching its an "accident". Ooopsie!

 

[dali71]

Jesus. It doesn't matter what side of the aisle you may stand.

This was so wrong.

Truer words were never spoken.

 

[Darwin333]

Meh Tactics are decided on squad level and going in ampd up, armed to the teeth ready to shoot anything that moves needs to be re thought. But it carries too much risk so we are at risk instead.

BTW - No drugs found... whoops.
http://www.digtriad.com/news/nation...-Vet-Killed-By-SWAT-Team-Had-No-Drugs-In-Home

Who cares about drugs? What would they need that for when they found all sorts of other hard evidence like a picture, legally owned body armor, and legally owned guns. His guilt is pretty much a no brainer with that kind of evidence, its not like the guy was a Marine or anything. Oh yeah, they found a hat that you can purchase on Amazon right now. Case closed.

 

[shira]

If it's a big enough issue that you want to invite the Feds to solve (thus handing them control and placing a tax burden on the rest of society to cure addicts) then its a big enough problem in which they will dictate the terms. The cost are not the crux of the issue is immaterial if you admittedly state that there must be some sort of federal intervention (because the "cost" is to "great") and thus a handing of powers to regulate and allow the enforcement of legislation by the feds.

I wouldn't necessarily place control in the hands of the Feds. Alcohol is regulated at both the state and federal levels. I don't see why certain drugs couldn't be treated the same way. Besides just the savings on the cost of the WoDs, another very significant revenue stream would come from taxing the sale of drugs (not to mention the additional income tax revenue received from producers of drugs). There's no reason that using a portion of the tax revenue to fund treatment programs (and also to fund anti-drug-use ads) couldn't be done at the state level.

 

[DominionSeraph]

video of the raid

http://www.kgun9.com/story/14736691/raw-video-pcsd-helmet-cam-clip-shows-swat-raid-and-firefight


Siren.
Yelling in English and Spanish.
Knocking.
Check if door is unlocked.
More, "Police, search warrant, open the door!"
Pop door, enter.
Shooting.

If he was armed and pointing the gun at them, cops are totally in the clear.

Looks like everyone jumped the gun on the "no knock" thing.

 

[JSt0rm]

http://www.kgun9.com/story/14736691/raw-video-pcsd-helmet-cam-clip-shows-swat-raid-and-firefight


Siren.
Yelling in English and Spanish.
Knocking.
Check if door is unlocked.
More, "Police, search warrant, open the door!"
Pop door, enter.
Shooting.

If he was armed and pointing the gun at them, cops are totally in the clear.

Looks like everyone jumped the gun on the "no knock" thing.

He had what 15 seconds to drop his gun before death? No nobody jumped the gun except the cops busting down his door.

 

[Darwin333]

http://www.kgun9.com/story/14736691/raw-video-pcsd-helmet-cam-clip-shows-swat-raid-and-firefight


Siren.
Yelling in English and Spanish.
Knocking.
Check if door is unlocked.
More, "Police, search warrant, open the door!"
Pop door, enter.
Shooting.

If he was armed and pointing the gun at them, cops are totally in the clear.

Looks like everyone jumped the gun on the "no knock" thing.

8 secs of siren
15 secs of knocking
break down door
shooting



man was sleeping when it started and likely didn't hear anything till the knocking. Not much time to make a decision that could very likely determine if your family lives or dies.

OTOH, they could have just waited for him to walk outside and arrested him with no incident. Whoever requested the warrant and whoever issued it fucked up.

Edit: I don't give a good god damn what the actual definition of "no knock" is, knocking a few times and immediately busting down the door is the same thing in any reasonable persons book. A non no knock warrant implies that you have an opportunity to surrender BEFORE they kick your door down and barge in with machine guns leveled at you and your family.

 

[DominionSeraph]

He had what 15 seconds to drop his gun before death?

15 seconds is an eternity.
I've been on that side. A lot. When I was on Naval Security and we went through training scenarios, I was usually the practice dummy because I have this ability to make my body act as though I don't know what's coming, making take-downs realistic. (I identify the inclination to pretend, and then I just don't do it.)

I have faced down the cops with a gun. Faced them down with a knife. And I'll tell ya', the only time it takes more than a split second to disengage is when they've got you in a wrist lock so that you can't open your hand.

"Not pointing the gun in your hands in the direction of the cops" is a pretty easy thing to do. While his time in Iraq probably had him trained to face down anything with the barrel of a gun, he was no longer in Iraq. You do not face down the police with a gun -- that has a tendency to get you killed.
As seen here.

 

[MotF Bane]

He had what 15 seconds to drop his gun before death? No nobody jumped the gun except the cops busting down his door.

This. Fifteen seconds, it's amazing he even had gotten a weapon and left his room in that time.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Who authorized the warrant? What "evidence" was presented that required the search of his home?

 

[xj0hnx]

15 seconds is an eternity.

This. Fifteen seconds, it's amazing he even had gotten a weapon and left his room in that time.

Unfortunately, I have to agree with Ponyboy on this one, fifteen seconds is fucking FOREVER in a situation like this. Unfortunately IMO opinion these cops fucked up big time. While I wasn't in the room, I have never heard that many shots on even an armed suspect. What a bunch of Barney Fife motherfuckers.

I want to know why this si called a "no knock", they clearly knock, and identify themselves.

 

[DominionSeraph]

OTOH, they could have just waited for him to walk outside and arrested him with no incident. Whoever requested the warrant and whoever issued it fucked up.

It's a search warrant, not an arrest warrant.
Reprocess.
(Like that'll happen)

 

[SolMiester]

ive been illegally raided before, on suspicion of marijuana cultivation. they never found anything yet i still went to jail. glad i lived i guess

arizona is the most fucked up state in the country,.

On what grounds did you go to jail when they found nothing on the illegal (?) raid...?

 

[SolMiester]

Legalize, regulate, tax, and sensibly enforce. Empty the prisons, end the drug gangs, reduce the deficit, use the vast savings to treat addiction and to educate. But in our stupidocracy, catering to the bottom 25% of the IQ distribution dictates that the war on evil weed must continue.

+1, its seems so easy, but probably never will happen!...

 

[MotF Bane]

+1, its seems so easy, but probably never will happen!...

Of course not. Less money/jobs for police, less money/jobs for the prison system, political opponents can decry "weak on crime", and the list goes on.

 

[Zebo]

http://www.kgun9.com/story/14736691/raw-video-pcsd-helmet-cam-clip-shows-swat-raid-and-firefight


Siren.
Yelling in English and Spanish.
Knocking.
Check if door is unlocked.
More, "Police, search warrant, open the door!"
Pop door, enter.
Shooting.

If he was armed and pointing the gun at them, cops are totally in the clear.

Looks like everyone jumped the gun on the "no knock" thing.

That's a pretty big "if".

I just don't see a responsible father & combat veteran with no history pointing a gun at 5-6 cops. He knows thats insta death.

He either thought they were home invaders which in case police warning wasn't sufficient.

Or they are CYA liars. IMO

 

[maniacalpha1-1]

It's a search warrant, not an arrest warrant.
Reprocess.
(Like that'll happen)

If it was just a search warrant, how do they determine that a SWAT team is needed? If a SWAT team is needed, they could have done something to lure him outside and "detained" him, then searched. And I use the word detain since you have pointed out that it was a search warrant, not arrest.

Or is it becoming standard procedure to use military grade assault teams to execute search warrants? Or only in drug cases?

 

[xj0hnx]

That's a pretty big "if".

I just don't see a responsible father & combat veteran with no history pointing a gun at 5-6 cops. He knows thats insta death.

He either thought they were home invaders which in case police warning wasn't sufficient.

Or they are CYA liars. IMO

If he was sleeping, he probably didn't hear anything until the door busted in, if the gun was by his bed, he'd probably still be in a state of confusion and going on instinct, which if he was combat trained, and had been deployed chances are that instinct was gun up, and condition black.

 

[BoberFett]

When I was on Naval Security and we went through training scenarios, I was usually the practice dummy because I have this ability to make my body act as though I don't know what's coming, making take-downs realistic. (I identify the inclination to pretend, and then I just don't do it.)

I have faced down the cops with a gun. Faced them down with a knife. And I'll tell ya', the only time it takes more than a split second to disengage is when they've got you in a wrist lock so that you can't open your hand.

This guy is hilarious.

Does he still claim to be some sort of supergenius?