Arizona sued for not issuing drivers licenses to immigrants who entered illegally

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Immigrant and civil-rights groups filed a lawsuit Thursday challenging Arizona's order to deny driver's licenses to young illegal immigrants who qualify for a reprieve from deportation and a work permit under a new Obama administration policy.

The suit alleges that the state treats such immigrants, who are allowed to remain in the U.S., as unlawfully present. It asks that a federal judge declare unconstitutional an executive order issued in August by Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer.

"Arizona's creation of its own immigration classification impermissibly intrudes on the federal government's exclusive authority to regulate immigration," the complaint says.

The suit was filed in U.S. District Court in Phoenix by the American Civil Liberties Union and several other groups on behalf of five immigrants in Arizona who came to the U.S. as children and have qualified for the program.

Ms. Brewer has said that denying driver's licenses is justified because her state's agencies don't grant public benefits to any illegal immigrants.

The governor and two state transportation-department officials were named as defendants in the suit.

The Obama administration in June announced that illegal immigrants brought to the U.S. before the age of 16, who are younger than 31 and have lived in the country at least five years can be considered for a deferral of deportation and work authorization to be renewed every two years.

To qualify, applicants must attend or have graduated from high school, or serve in the military.

Arizona has been at odds with the Obama administration over illegal immigration since the state passed a stringent law in 2010 targeting unlawful residents, parts of which were upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court earlier this year.

About 1.3 million people are immediately eligible for the federal deferred-action program, including 80,000 in Arizona, according to the Migration Policy Institute, an independent think tank in Washington, D.C.

At least 10,000 undocumented people in Arizona have applied for the federal program, called Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324020804578149333326961810.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

While I think Arizona's stance that they are illegal by federal standards is a weak case given that they now qualify for the Deferred Action I don't see why Arizona has to offer them a driver's license as they are not considered citizens

the complaint alleges that the state mandate violates the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment because it specifically denies driver's licenses to this particular group of work permit recipients, whereas others with work permits are eligible for the benefit.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-arizona-licenses-20121130,0,7863311.story

Other groups? As in citizens? Arizona is being sued because citizens get different perks than non-citizens? If they are referring to visa holders then Arizona is being sued because we treat immigrants who enter the united states legally different than those who enter it illegally?
 

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Read the thing... Please.
1st. Illegal or nay, the law grants them a deferral "if" they qualify under the law. Thus legal status, however qualified and or temporary.
2nd. Read the qualifications. The deferral allows temporary legal status.
3rd. Thus, legally they in deed do qualify for drivers license, which is not as little Jannie B proclaims, some public benefit. But in fact is a necessity legally available to anyone that so desires.
But we all know what's this is really about. Now don't we........
Hey Jan... IT'S THE LAW DUMB ASS...!
Go fix your hair.... Or what ever that dead thing is sitting on your head.
 

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oh good. now they can use the dl to regesiter to vote. makes sense they all vote for obama
 

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2nd. Read the qualifications. The deferral allows temporary legal status.

What an absurd statement.

Deferred action does not provide an individual with lawful status.
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=f2ef2f19470f7310VgnVCM100000082ca60aRCRD&vgnextchannel=f2ef2f19470f7310VgnVCM100000082ca60aRCRD

Ann Morse said:
The policy doesn't grant "legal status"
http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/21/us/states-immigration-policy/index.html

At least pretend to do some background work before spouting off incorrect information

3rd. Thus, legally they in deed do qualify for drivers license, which is not as little Jannie B proclaims, some public benefit. But in fact is a necessity legally available to anyone that so desires.

Anyone that so desires? I think you are a bit too free with your use of absolutes as that clearly is not the case.

Also - states have a great deal of latitude in terms of drivers license issuance requirements although I don't know if they can go this far. A number of states are of the opinion that they are not legally required to provide driver's licenses to people are covered by DACA though
 

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I really am not one to jump on the hysterical O'Bummer train some jump on...

...but at what point do Politicians (and I'm including past POTUS, Congress, and current Congress in this as well) go from willful inaction to Treason?

I think we're beyond the point where there is little point of even pretending to have INS. If Open Borders are what's realistically happening anyways, mine as well just have them and spare the expense. (every Lefty just jizzed in their pants hearing that)

Chuck
 
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I really am not one to jump on the hysterical O'Bummer train some jump on...

...but at what point do Politicians (and I'm including past POTUS, Congress, and current Congress in this as well) go from willful inaction to Treason?

I think we're beyond the point where there is little point of even pretending to have INS. If Open Boarders are what's realistically happening anyways, mine as well just have them and spare the expense. (every Lefty just jizzed in their pants hearing that)

Chuck


What a drama queen you are.

1. Resident aliens are already allowed to get an AZ Drivers License.

2. "Border" not "Boarder".

3. "Mine as well"? Do I really need to explain?

4. Yes, you are being quite the hysterical buffoon; particularly when
you scream "Treason" over simple procedural matters.
 

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Drivers licenses are state issued. It's for them to decide, not Obama.
 

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Drivers licenses are state issued. It's for them to decide, not Obama.

They're not asking Obama, they're asking the courts to rule on the constitutionality. Get your head out of the Fox News "everything is Obama" echo chamber, please.

You're not very good at this "thinking" thing.
 
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These immigrant and civil rights groups really need to go away, they are special interest groups who have no respect for the LAW. People who break into the country must be kicked out
 

chucky2

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What a drama queen you are.

Not bringing drama at all to this, just stating the obvious.

1. Resident aliens are already allowed to get an AZ Drivers License.

Illegals are already allowed to get licenses?

2. "Border" not "Boarder".

Good correction, will fix that.

3. "Mine as well"? Do I really need to explain?

Sure, explain. We make an half assed effort to catch them at the border now, then, once in, do jack to police what we let through. The Fed won't allow (the willing) States to do the job that the Fed is supposed to be doing but isn't.

4. Yes, you are being quite the hysterical buffoon; particularly when
you scream "Treason" over simple procedural matters.

What else does one call doing nothing real to stem the illegal invasion, and then coddling the invaders once they're here? Well, other than White Guilt and Greed of course...

Chuck
 

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Exterous said:
I don't see why Arizona has to offer them a driver's license as they are not considered citizens
You do know that citizenship is not a driver's license requirement, right?
 

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You do know that citizenship is not a driver's license requirement, right?

Yes - I know that. Do you know that I never said that citizenship was a requirement to get a driver's license? My point - perhaps poorly expounded on - was that they claim to deserve equal rights however, as non-citizens there are clearly some privileges (a driver's license is a privilege not a right) that are not applicable to immigrants.

The argument could be made that other immigrant groups get driver's licenses but the precedent is already there that some classes of immigrants are treated differently than others. There are various employment, family, investor etc categories with various requirements/privileges. I am not aware of any Federal law that prevents states from extending driver's licenses to some non-citizen groups while denying it to other non-citizen groups esp when the group in question has no legal status.

It seems illogical to me to allow an illegal immigrant to stay in the country legally but then confer no legal status on them. The whole DACA seems to be a very poorly worded political ploy that has created a legal mess. States are left to figure out on their own where legal presence ends and legal status starts which is just begging for a legal, political and media frenzy.
 
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They're not asking Obama, they're asking the courts to rule on the constitutionality. Get your head out of the Fox News "everything is Obama" echo chamber, please.

You're not very good at this "thinking" thing.

Considering that you are comparatively at the intellectual level of a nematode, you aren't really qualified for much of anything. I know what I said and I know why I said it, but I don't think explaining more than this to a low level invertebrate is worth my time.

Go stroke you ego but don't forget to bring the towel for cleanup. You are dismissed.
 

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So, a state can deny a non-citizen(legal or not legal) a driver's license?

Yes, just like they can deny a drivers license to someone who won't take a breath test without a warrant, a drivers license is a privilege, not a right.
 

feralkid

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Quote:

3. "Mine as well"? Do I really need to explain?

Sure, explain. We make an half assed effort to catch them at the border now, then, once in, do jack to police what we let through. The Fed won't allow (the willing) States to do the job that the Fed is supposed to be doing but isn't.
Chuck


It's the phrase, you dope.

"Mine as well"?

Do you really speak like that?
 

shortylickens

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The new messiah has made it quite clear he wants them in America.
No one state can stand up to him. If a bunch of states started fighting him on this issue, that might work.
 

feralkid

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The new messiah has made it quite clear he wants them in America.
No one state can stand up to him. If a bunch of states started fighting him on this issue, that might work.



They already tried that with Obamacare. It didn't work.
 

shortylickens

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Two different things.

Obamacare is a new program that (for good or bad) the majority of Americans want.

Immigration is an old issue that has never been properly handled and the majority of Americans dont give a shit about (for good or bad).