Arizona Legislature Xenophobia Spreading to Professional Training Programs

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Darwin333

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Then again, I'm not surprised since our society places logic on a pedestal.

I completely disagree with that. If we DID place logic on a pedestal we would not have a lot of the problems that we do. We especially wouldn't have this problem after you (or any other professional) explained it, it is quite logical given the circumstances that you outlined that MHCs should not be allowed to pick and choose their clients due to their own personal beliefs.



This is nothing more than politicians exerting their power over something they have no understanding of.

Ding ding ding, as is usually the case unfortunately. You would think they would at least ask a half dozen qualified professionals in the field to come assist with the legislation or at the very least give their professional opinions and insight while the bill is being drafted/debated. Instead it just seems like they make it up as they go.
 

TheVrolok

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That's not the point of the law at all. The point is, if because of your personal faith you can't provide an appropriate level of care for a patient regarding a specific issue, then you can refer that patient to someone else who can provide good care. Seems very logical.

Except that it isn't. One should be trained to counsel all, regardless of faith.
 

Darwin333

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Personally I think that a counselor should be able to counsel regardless of their faith. With that said if I am a Buddhist and I need counseling and the counselor is trying to counsel me using her faith then I have no right to complain......I am free to search out a Buddhist counselor!!

I didn't realize that faith based counselling was something that has been proven to be effective and recognized by any of the authorities in the field.

It would be like your doctor trying to pray your tumor away which would mean he shouldn't be a licensed doctor at all.
 

JEDIYoda

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I didn't realize that faith based counselling was something that has been proven to be effective and recognized by any of the authorities in the field.

It would be like your doctor trying to pray your tumor away which would mean he shouldn't be a licensed doctor at all.

It doesn`t matter what you recognize......
There is such a thing and you need to deal with it....
 

Darwin333

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That's not the point of the law at all. The point is, if because of your personal faith you can't provide an appropriate level of care for a patient regarding a specific issue, then you can refer that patient to someone else who can provide good care. Seems very logical.

Did you even read what the actual authorities in the field said about the law?????

What in the world makes any of you think that you can possibly know more about such an absurdly complex field of medicine than the ACA (you know, the experts)?
 

Darwin333

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It doesn`t matter what you recognize......
There is such a thing and you need to deal with it....

Perhaps but it does matter what the ACA recognizes..... That is if the graduates want to actually work in the field they are studying for and they sort of completely and totally disagree with you.

Obviously you know more than they do and they just "need to deal with it" as well. Funny thing is, I am fairly certain that they will deal with it but it won't be in a way that you are happy with.