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Ariel Announces 500-horsepower V8 Atom
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drbrock
Golden Member
Atoms that have the 300 hp engines used to be honda R engines right? If so are those used Atoms cheap. Kind of hard to find them in the Autotrader. I don't need the 500 hp to get me through the day.
Has anyone actually driven one of these. Are they as ridiculous as Top gear made them out to be?
Has anyone actually driven one of these. Are they as ridiculous as Top gear made them out to be?
DivideBYZero
Lifer
It's a Supercharged Civic Type R motor(2.0 iVtec, UK spec..initially).
Don't expect to find an Atom cheap. Exclusivity dictates pricing.
PlasmaBomb
Lifer
That's what I was thinking, in fact the engine sounds suspiciously like the 2.4L supercharged unit that was in the initial T1 before they went for a 3.5L V8.
DivideBYZero
Lifer
The Caparo T1 looks like a joke in comparison. IMHO.
DivideBYZero
Lifer
Joke in terms of:
- Extremely harsh F1 style ride and seat
- Single seater
- Cost
- OMG MY NUTS ARE ON FIRE
- Build quality
- Looks
- Unable to use on public roads (regardless of legality)
Except that it's not a single seater, and the cost probably isn't that far off considering the scope of these two cars.
How much do you guestimate this Atom costs? From the same site:
http://www.motivemag.com/pub/n...rsepower_V8_Atom.shtml
DivideBYZero
Lifer
My bad on the seat config. I still maintain that the Atom is going to be a more realistic Sunday blast tool that you can use on the road and track equally. The T1, while 'able' to go on road is, for all intents and purposes, a track car.
A used '05 Ariel A300 appears to be around the £41k mark. A Caparo T1, in comparison, is in the ballpark of £235k. If the A500 cost £100k, it still has the T1 beat, IMHO. Not only that, but if you roll up in an Atom, people will be intrigued and interested. Turn up in a Caparo, and people will think you a c***. IMHO.
I'm going to have to disagree with you, neither are decent road cars. It's like comparing sand versus gravel as lube. There's little point in either. You'd be better off riding a crotch rocket to and from the track as far as street-ability will go. On the other hand, as track cars, the Caparo will be much quicker around the track.
There will be a price differential The A500 will cost more than £100L, more than £115K, I'd say £150K might be a fair guess.
DivideBYZero
Lifer
I don't recall seeing the price of the 2.4 listed, so I'm pulling numbers out of my ass. Even if it does, the T1 will far exceed it.
DivideBYZero
Lifer
To be honest with you I'm not going to be drawn much more on this. Neither of us have driven one, or either, so going by anecdotes, top gear/fifth gear footage and some numbers all of us are talking pure Horse pucky.
However, the Atom in 300hp form is perfectly drivable on the street*. I have no reason to expect the A500 will shit all over the excellent work already done for the sake of an extra 200 ponies.
*by all accounts 😉
The price of the engine is listed right in the link above and then quoted. If the engine is £115k, as listed in that link, the car will be at least £150k. Frankly, if you're paying this much for a car with this level of usability, you may as well go to the Caparo. The performance difference between the two will be huge. The Atom never did well on the track CONSIDERING ITS POWER TO WEIGHT RATIO. For instance:
http://www.nobleforums.com/showthread.php?t=408
DivideBYZero
Lifer
You're not making sense, the Atom did very well on the track. Not only that, but you linked to an article about an old model(245). The 550Bhp per ton SR4 radical rated the same as the Atom(470PT). It's not ALL about PtW.
£150k vs £230k is no small jump for what is essentially a toy. Maybe $160k is nothing to you. IDK.
ultimatebob
Lifer
I can't wait to see the Stig drive one on Top Gear!
For what it is, no it didn't do well. The Radical absolutely destroyed it at 47.80 sec vs 50.05 seconds. That's a HUGE gap on a track as small as Anglesey. Also, considering a tight, technical, low-speed track like that is ideal for the Atom, it's sad it was beaten by a Noble by almost a full second, and only managed to beat a TVR Sagaris by .1 of a second.
DivideBYZero
Lifer
It was an old model with only 245hp. I don't know why you keep banging on about it. Well, yeah, I do, because a Noble was quicker.
I keep banging on it because people continually think the Atom is the pinnacle of performance, and it clearly is not.
It has great advantages, with its light weight, ground-up suspension design, proper weight distribution, and great tires, but it still gets destroyed by its competitors. BTW, what's so old about this model? It's the same model generation as its competitors, and it's also using the same engine as configured on Ariel's site, the 245hp 2L Honda powerplant.
The Caparo won't even be in the same league as this 500hp Atom speed wise, much like other choices like the Radical, Stohr, Van Diemen, ADR3, etc. Heck, the DP1 will probably be much faster.
DivideBYZero
Lifer
Umm, we're talking about the 300 and 500 Hp version, yet you keep bringing up the 245 version. Great debating.
Feel free to add any direct comparisons you've seen on the 300 and 500hp version. I brought up the 245hp version because there are direct comparisons both on road and the track, with pro and non-pro drivers ,with other 4xx hp per tonne vehicles. You can extrapolate out higher HP versions since there aren't other major differences in suspension, bodywork, chassis, brakes, etc.
So far in this "debate", you've claimed:
1. Prices much lower: it's not
2. Price of entire car lower than price of engine: I doubt it.
3. Atom did very well on the track: it did not, compared to its competitors.
4. The Caparo is a single seater: it's not
5. The Caparo can't be used on public roads: it can about as much as an Atom, Grinnall, etc.
6. The Atom quoted is an old model: it's not
And you wonder about my debating?
DivideBYZero
Lifer
OK, It's shit.
Can't be bothered with talking about it with you. if all you want to say is, 'My Nobel is faster" just spit it out.
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