Argument with a friend...

Cuda1447

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Alright, so about a year ago I had an argument with a pretty good friend of mine. Here's the backstory.



I moved into an apartment in July. When I moved in I was actually referred by someone, so they got a referral bonus of $300 when I moved in. A few months later my buddy was looking for a place to live. I referred him to my apartment. The referral bonus at the time was $200 and I'd get it after he had lived there for a month and made his first payment.


That's the setup, now the backstory on me and him, because I believe its pertinent here.



We are the same age, around 22 at the time. We both go to the same school. I am living with my fiancee, he is moving into the apartment by himself. Its the same size apartment and everything. I come from a middle class family, at best. My dad doesn't make enough money to help me with anything as far as moving out costs go. He did give me a living room table though.

My friend father is very wealthy. From what I understand he makes in the neighborhood of 500-600k per year. His business is worth some 50million or something like that. Now my friend is a really cool guy. He doesn't take advantage of his parents wealth. He works a normal job (thats where we met). As of late he started working about 20 hours a week when he decided to move out. He wanted to spend more time on school. That's cool. His parents pay his insurance on his car and decided they were going to pay for his rent on his apartment. They wanted him to move out to become a bit more independent but were going to help him out while going through school. They bought him all his furniture for his apartment, a nice 47" tv and all kinds of nice shit. No big deal, thats cool that his parents can afford this for him.


Fast forward now a few months, I was inquiring about my referral bonus. They office told me my friend had to come down and sign a paper real quick then I could get it. So I tell him about it and this is where the shit starts. He asks me how much money I'm going to get him. I told him nothing, and explained that I didn't ask for any money from the person that referred me. He then told me he wanted half. I was fucking pissed and we got in a bit of an argument. Long story short he basically said he wouldn't sign it unless I gave him half of the money. I was fucking furious and just said fuck it. I never got the referral bonus.


Now the question. Is my friend a piece of shit asshole, or was I unreasonable and should have split the money with him?


Not that its a very big deal, but I've paid for his lunch at times if he forgot his wallet or something like that. I've done small favors here and there, so its not like I was a tight wad with my cash or anything. I also helped him move in.


No cliffs, read the fucking thread or get out! :p
 

newb111

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unreasonable. split the cash. it doesn't matter how much money his dad makes.
 

Cuda1447

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Originally posted by: newb111
unreasonable. split the cash. it doesn't matter how much money his dad makes.

So I guess I dropped the ball and should have asked for half of the referral bonus that the person got when I moved in?
 

zoiks

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You're in the right to keep it. You never had a deal with your friend for the split.
 

Cuda1447

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Originally posted by: zoiks
You're in the right to keep it. You never had a deal with your friend for the split.

Didn't get to keep it, never actually got it because he refused to sign the papers. :(
 

Gunslinger08

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Sounds like he isn't your friend. Not unreasonable for him to ask. Very unreasonable for him to react the way he did.
 

Perknose

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If I'm understanding your post correctly, you had no prior agreement to split the referral fee with him, either implicit or explicit.

Only you know if that is 100% correct. If, thinking back, you can't see any way that he might have been led by you to expect a 50/50 split, then he is in the wrong.

 

XZeroII

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No offense, but you are incredibly stupid. You're asking who was right, when all you should care about is GETTING YOUR $100. You realize that you chose to accept $0 when you could have had $100, right?

I can't believe how freaking stupid people are...


EDIT: I can't believe how incredibly dumb you are. I just needed to say it again. You left $100 sitting on the table. $100 free dollars. You chose not to accept $100 because you wanted $200. Boo hoo. Cry me a river.

Give me $100 and I'll give the other $100 to a freaking bum on the street.
 

GeekDrew

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To use your words, your friend is a 'piece of shit asshole'. ;) I would probably have done the same thing you did, provided I didn't need the $100. If I did, I would have signed it and gotten my half, but the friendship would have been over regardless.
 

hellokeith

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The fallacy of the posters in here criticizing you is that it is not you who is at fault, at all, but your (ex)friend, because obviously he made an assumption and in-fact, your friendship with him is worth $100. $100 is not much to him, but alot to you, and he knows that and is trying to capitalize on your financial need.

Not the kind of friend I'd want to have, and certainly not from someone more well-off trying to take advantage of someone less well-off. Next time he contacts you, tell him he owes you either a signature or $200, and hang up.
 

Perknose

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Originally posted by: XZeroII
No offense, but you are incredibly stupid. You're asking who was right, when all you should care about is GETTING YOUR $100. You realize that you chose to accept $0 when you could have had $100, right?

I can't believe how freaking stupid people are...


EDIT: I can't believe how incredibly dumb you are. I just needed to say it again. You left $100 sitting on the table. $100 free dollars. You chose not to accept $100 because you wanted $200. Boo hoo. Cry me a river.

Give me $100 and I'll give the other $100 to a freaking bum on the street.

Good to know honor means nothing to you, and that you can be so easily bought.

I'll give you $100 to stop posting permanently. Don't leave it on the table!

 

pontifex

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Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Originally posted by: zoiks
You're in the right to keep it. You never had a deal with your friend for the split.

Didn't get to keep it, never actually got it because he refused to sign the papers. :(

seriusly? you'd give up $100 just so your friend wouldn't get $100?

i agree that it should all be yours, but if your options are half or nothing, then at least take half.
 

ScottyB

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Well, if he was acting like such an ass, you should have had him sign it and then not give him half.
 

Gothgar

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Originally posted by: Old Hippie
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Sounds like he isn't your friend. Not unreasonable for him to ask. Very unreasonable for him to react the way he did.

:thumbsup:

this

edit: what you should have done is say yes, then never give him the 100 bucks and tell him to fuck off.
 

TuxDave

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Originally posted by: ScottyB
Well, if he was acting like such an ass, you should have had him sign it and then not give him half.

lol... :thumbsup:

$200 and one less asshole friend > $0 and one less asshole friend
 

mryellow2

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What does his wealth have to do with this?

You should have split it and been up front about the referral bonus in the first place. He was also being an ass.
 

Cuda1447

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Let me put this conversation me and him had in better context so you can understand why I made the decision I did.


We were at a party with a bunch of our mutual friends. I said to him "hey man, you gonna sign those papers, they said if you didn't do it in the next week I won't be able to get money off my rent". He's like, "how much you gonna give me" (He's drunk at this time and says it in a rude/aggressive way). At this point Im caught off guard and a bit offended, so I'm like "What are you talking about? I didn't ask for any money from the person who referred me, thats not the way it works"


He goes on to basically hold that signature ransom. He's like well I don't really care, I want half or I'm not signing it. I offered to give him 50 bucks, he wouldn't bite on that. At this point I was pretty pissed off and I told him how I could actually use the money and I didn't have my parents paying my rent for me.

To be honest, he was a bit lazy. I don't think he was even going to sign the paper anyway, so I don't think I would have ever seen any of the money. I say that because prior to this conversation he told me to just go sign it for him. I was like "dude, its like 30 yards away, just go sign it, plus they know who I am, I can't forge your signature". He just was being lazy and wouldn't do it.



XzeroII - Thanks for the insults, I appreciate them. Especially when you are jumping to conclusions. I would have probably never even seen $100, and after this guy insulting me and basically giving me an ultimatum I'd rather neither of us get the money then to let his spoiled fucking ass get $100. It was a calculated risk. I didn't think I've ever see the money and I didn't want to give him any satisfaction out of basically black mailing a friend, ESPECIALLY since I've gone out of my way to help him plenty of times, including helping him move in and then paying for his dinner later that night.
 

jme5343

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Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: XZeroII
No offense, but you are incredibly stupid. You're asking who was right, when all you should care about is GETTING YOUR $100. You realize that you chose to accept $0 when you could have had $100, right?

I can't believe how freaking stupid people are...


EDIT: I can't believe how incredibly dumb you are. I just needed to say it again. You left $100 sitting on the table. $100 free dollars. You chose not to accept $100 because you wanted $200. Boo hoo. Cry me a river.

Give me $100 and I'll give the other $100 to a freaking bum on the street.

Good to know honor means nothing to you, and that you can be so easily bought.

I'll give you $100 to stop posting permanently. Don't leave it on the table!

I'll kick in some $ to cover your expenses Perknose.


OP: Your friend is a moron. I've seen people I know personally fight over referral bonuses. If I referred you, I'd volunteer to give you half. But, if you referred me, I wouldn't ask for, nor expect, any of the $$. I'm pretty easy to get along with on stuff like this, though. I value a friendship above any type of money.
BUT, given the way your friend acted, I would have done the same as you.

 

XZeroII

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Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: XZeroII
No offense, but you are incredibly stupid. You're asking who was right, when all you should care about is GETTING YOUR $100. You realize that you chose to accept $0 when you could have had $100, right?

I can't believe how freaking stupid people are...


EDIT: I can't believe how incredibly dumb you are. I just needed to say it again. You left $100 sitting on the table. $100 free dollars. You chose not to accept $100 because you wanted $200. Boo hoo. Cry me a river.

Give me $100 and I'll give the other $100 to a freaking bum on the street.

Good to know honor means nothing to you, and that you can be so easily bought.

I'll give you $100 to stop posting permanently. Don't leave it on the table!

What does honor have to do with this? He refused to share $100 with a friend. If a friend did that to me, I would just tell him that it isn't a problem and give him $100. I'm not too proud. How does that mean that I can be bought? heck, even if he wanted $199 and I would only get $1, I'd still do it. Why not? It's still $1. Granted, I may not be friends with the guy after that, but I'd still get my money.

Tell me, what if the referral amount was $2,000? Would you have split it with your friend? I bet you would have. The problem is that you were greedy and wanted it all for yourself and didn't want to share. If it had been $1,000 for each, then that would have been enough to satisfy you.