~~~Arguement to keep all Pot Illegal~~~

[gopunk]

And if you refer to his statment referencing suicide to mean unsafe, then I'll disagree with that as well. He might have had patients commit suicide on it, but that certainly doesnt prove that pot did it.

no i was actually looking at this stuff:

[/quote]Some reliable studies suggest that using marijuana before age 15 can cause shrinkage in the right frontal lobe of the brain, a region important for developing coping strategies and cognitive functions such as abstract reasoning. [/quote]

and btw, it is a pretty well known fact that pot addicts will suffer from profound depression when they are denied access to pot.

 

[Lucky]

but I've never seen a marijuana addict.

Hi.

 

[Lucky]

btw, it is a pretty well known fact that pot addicts will suffer from profound depression when they are denied access to pot.

that may be true, but if they were a "pothead" they were problably using the drug to escape reality. There were problably reasons for that, and facing them without the aid of a crutch is hard.

Its not a direct correlation is what Im trying to say.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: EXman
one who hasn't an open mind I feel is the one full of it. Anyways that was just a small part of my paper.

Any argument that ever says anything to the effect of "What about our children?" is one that I already know is completely founded on BS

Now actually I have to have sources. It is my opinion about kids though. But if you legalize Pot you are fooling yourself if you do not think the kids perception of Pot will change. Kids are very impressionable wouldn't you agree. It is not BS it is reality.

It's not close-minded to call a pathetic argument pathetic. I call a spade a spade, don't you?
Legalizing pot is not about kids, as (just like with alcohol) I feel it should still be illegal for kids to use. Whether ANY drug should be legal or not should have nothing to do with kids, as this is a discussion about the rights of consenting adults, not the safety of children with poor parents. But, as always, the "What about the children?" argument is a smokescreen designed for bleeding hearts, to keep them from seeing the real hard reality. And that reality is that in the last 40-50 years of actively enforced marijuana prohibition, more kids do pot than ever did before that prohibition, when marijuana grew wild as a weed in almost every state in the US.
You're right, kids are VERY impressionable. So impressionable, in fact, that when they are constantly told how "bad" something is, many of them often want to go out and find out just how "bad" that something really is.

 

[gopunk]

I cant take anyone seriously I see at 2AM on MTV, regardless of his credentials.

so your narrowmindedness means you're right?

you go through all the medical training he has, become director of a rehab program, then i might believe you.

Besides, addicts pay his bills.

what's your point?

I live amongst potheads, and I have known dozens my entire life, and I have never ever once seen any of the above symptoms.

i've heard statements just like this going either way (pot is harmful, pot is not harmful). frankly, i don't put too much stock in anecdotes like this.

The key here is, he wouldnt be treating someone if they didnt have serious underlying problems to begin with.

duh...

Ive seen some coke and heroin addicts, and I've definitely seen drunks and its a sorry sight, but I've never seen a marijuana addict.

now's your chance!

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: Lucky

btw, it is a pretty well known fact that pot addicts will suffer from profound depression when they are denied access to pot.

that may be true, but if they were a "pothead" they were problably using the drug to escape reality. There were problably reasons for that, and facing them without the aid of a crutch is hard.

Its not a direct correlation is what Im trying to say.

no, you're trying to say that causation isn't evident. and nobody ever said it was.

 

[BD2003]

You know what kids will think when they make pot legal?

Its about time!


Pot is nothing new to kids. They are told alcohol is legal, and pot is no different, other than the fact that its illegal and socially unacceptable.

And oh no, our gov. will have changed its mind! Gee, that happens once every...day.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: gopunk
I cant take anyone seriously I see at 2AM on MTV, regardless of his credentials. so your narrowmindedness means you're right?

you go through all the medical training he has, become director of a rehab program, then i might believe you. Besides, addicts pay his bills. what's your point? I live amongst potheads, and I have known dozens my entire life, and I have never ever once seen any of the above symptoms. i've heard statements just like this going either way (pot is harmful, pot is not harmful). frankly, i don't put too much stock in anecdotes like this. The key here is, he wouldnt be treating someone if they didnt have serious underlying problems to begin with. duh... Ive seen some coke and heroin addicts, and I've definitely seen drunks and its a sorry sight, but I've never seen a marijuana addict. now's your chance!

The point is conflict of interest. And if MJ is addictive, so is everything else. But we already knew that. Frankly, I dont put much stock in mj being addictive if everyone is always arguing about it.

 

[Lucky]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Lucky

btw, it is a pretty well known fact that pot addicts will suffer from profound depression when they are denied access to pot.

that may be true, but if they were a "pothead" they were problably using the drug to escape reality. There were problably reasons for that, and facing them without the aid of a crutch is hard.

Its not a direct correlation is what Im trying to say.

no, you're trying to say that causation isn't evident. and nobody ever said it was.

Minor quibble in vocabulary, though you are right. On the same note I didnt say "causation was evivent" for DARE either.

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

Originally posted by: EXman

The finest cannabis in the world can be grown in your closet with a mere few hundred dollars worth of supplies/seeds.

watch out bro people will look you up and try to find your closet.

Not my closet.
No way. That's against the law!
I never break the law.

But, I do have a quick read of the High Times at the newsstand occasionally

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: gopunk
I cant take anyone seriously I see at 2AM on MTV, regardless of his credentials. so your narrowmindedness means you're right?

you go through all the medical training he has, become director of a rehab program, then i might believe you. Besides, addicts pay his bills. what's your point? I live amongst potheads, and I have known dozens my entire life, and I have never ever once seen any of the above symptoms. i've heard statements just like this going either way (pot is harmful, pot is not harmful). frankly, i don't put too much stock in anecdotes like this. The key here is, he wouldnt be treating someone if they didnt have serious underlying problems to begin with. duh... Ive seen some coke and heroin addicts, and I've definitely seen drunks and its a sorry sight, but I've never seen a marijuana addict. now's your chance!

The point is conflict of interest. And if MJ is addictive, so is everything else. But we already knew that. Frankly, I dont put much stock in mj being addictive if everyone is always arguing about it.

what do you mean conflict of interest? it's not like he recruits patients... they come to him. if they weren't having problems, they wouldn't be going to him, now would they?

pot can be addictive, pot can be harmful, but neither of those are good reasons to make it illegal.

 

[BD2003]

He's appealing to the hypochondriac in us all. And seeing that weed makes you paranoid, we've got a dead ringer here.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: gopunk
Who told you that? Unsafe? How? Addicitve? No way!

http://www.drdrew.com/Topics/article.asp?id=202

Gopunk, I need to know. How you can even pretend to rationalize your argument without calling for the outright prohibition of alcohol? The effects of marijuana addiction are absolutely mild when compared to the absolute disaster on an individual's life that is alcoholism.
Think about it. One drug can kill, one can't. One is an extremely powerful intoxicant, one is quite mild. One is extremely and devastatingly addictive, while with the other addiction is rare and relatively benign in comparision.
Guess which one you're currently supporting the prohibition of?...

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: PSYWVic

Originally posted by: gopunk
Who told you that? Unsafe? How? Addicitve? No way!

http://www.drdrew.com/Topics/article.asp?id=202

Gopunk, I need to know. How you can even pretend to rationalize your argument without calling for the outright prohibition of alcohol? The effects of marijuana addiction are absolutely mild when compared to the absolute disaster on an individual's life that is alcoholism.
Think about it. One drug can kill, one can't. One is an extremely powerful intoxicant, one is quite mild. One is extremely addictive, with the other addiction is rare and relatively mild in comparision.
Guess which one you're currently supporting the prohibition of?...

PSYWVic - i need to know, do you know my stance regarding prohibition of marijuana?

 

[BD2003]

Part of me hopes it stays illegal forever, so all you whiney babies will never know the pleasure of smoking a bowl with your friends on a nice day, or smoking a joint in bed with your gf, or just taking the edge off a hard day. Its your choice to deprive yourself of it.

I havent smoked at all since college went out, and while I'd go for it if it was in front of it, its not that big of a deal.

A day or two without cigs while I was a smoker was the end of the world. There is no comparison.

 

[Gaard]

Isn't a major difference between MJ and alcohol that one can have a swig or two (or more) without getting drunk whereas if you take toke once or twice you get high?

I haven't done either in years, but I remember having a few beers with my pizza and...well, nothing. Like having soda. On the other hand, if I smoked pot all it'd take for me to get high was a couple of tokes.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: PSYWVic

Originally posted by: gopunk
Who told you that? Unsafe? How? Addicitve? No way!

http://www.drdrew.com/Topics/article.asp?id=202

Gopunk, I need to know. How you can even pretend to rationalize your argument without calling for the outright prohibition of alcohol? The effects of marijuana addiction are absolutely mild when compared to the absolute disaster on an individual's life that is alcoholism.
Think about it. One drug can kill, one can't. One is an extremely powerful intoxicant, one is quite mild. One is extremely addictive, with the other addiction is rare and relatively mild in comparision.
Guess which one you're currently supporting the prohibition of?...

PSYWVic - i need to know, do you know my stance regarding prohibition of marijuana?

LOL, touche`

It did give me a good opportunity to explain my view though. Which (if I haven't made it clear enough already) is this: as long as alcohol is legal, then I shall not be a hypocrite and will support the legalization for consenting adults of marijuana.
And don't even think about coming for my beer...

 

[IGBT]

Drug testing/rehab industry depends on you guys smoking dope and the courts are going to let them test you at every oppertunity. But really...do you want to end up like the looser "grey haired pony tails" over in Berkley...who do nothing but get high and show up at protests???

 

[PistachioByAzul]

Read up on it's history. There's no basis in truth at all, just propaganda.

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/LIBRARY/studies/vlr/vlrtoc.htm

 

[A5]

I'd just like to point out that people don't get addicted to cigarettes per say, but actually the nicotine in them (which is naturally found in tobacco, as well as tomatoes).

Nicotine is actually about as powerful dose for dose as cocaine or morphine, and actually some researchers say that it reaches the brain faster than those substances due to the fact that it is smoked rather than injected or snorted.

Research suggests that manufacturers would have to cut nicotine levels in a typical cigarette by 95 percent to forestall its power to addict.

My source is NOVA Online

Yes, I realize I'm not really arguing anything, just bringing some information to the table.

 

[Unicron80]

EXman, I appreciate you taking the time to post this. While I disagree with your stance and most of your arguments, I really appreciate an open dialogue on the topic. I am for decriminalization of marijuana, but even if that does not happen, I am content for an open discussion of our drug policy in all walks of life. From the message boards here to the classrooms to news network talk shows to, most importantly, our government.

It's getting better and better every day, but we are a long way from having free reign to openly discuss and voice dissent against the sacred cow of our nation's drug policy. If a politician asks to open dialogue on pulling back the reigns of our runaway drug war, he instantly branded a "pothead" or "pro-crime," no matter his or her intentions.

I think this is unfair, and our country is built on a foundation that allows citizens and public office holders to voice dissent without being fed to the wolves and rode out of office. (See Jocelyn Elders for an example) I don't think any harm can come to have our society tolerate a voice of dissent on this matter, not just on Politically Incorrect and the Internet, but in our government. This doesn't mean we have to legalize all drugs tomorrow, it merely means we can have an opportunity to weigh costs vs. benefits of our Drug War and Drug Policy.

I wrote a thesis on the subject, and could pontificate for days on the minute details, but I don't really want to bore everyone and just wanted to say this:

Talk about it. Get as much facts as you can (hard to tell what is fact these days though). Discuss with your friends, your teachers, your congressman, etc. The more we do, the more influence we can have on our government and way of life. This isn't just limited to Drug Policy, but it's the easiest to find a captive audience for.

I realize this is a bit long winded, but I don't post very often and I have to get everything out I want to say =)

Keep debating!

 

[Howard]

Marijuana is great...

for me to poop on!