Aren't we forgetting something?

[BoomSlangx]

It;s just kinda popped to my attention over the last couple of days, that we've been kinda... i don't know, pacified? or something due to this mining crisis thing don't you think?

Like there's still a healthy bunch of reviews and questions going up about "Shall i upgrade to a 1070, is it worth it" "Should i just go ahead and upgrade to the 1080" and one thats currently up in another forum thread "Is x i7 cpu bottlenecking my 1080"

We're kinda still looking at the 1070's and 1080's in awe.. like if they had a few of them in the window of your local store, we'd all be huddle outside the store in the snow with sleeping bags and stuff looking in the window with eyes all wide and fixated, foegetting that it's absolutely (in modern computer terms) terribly outdated tech... i mean in any other time in recent history, 2 years (yes, next month the 1080 has been on the market for 2 years) would mean that we'd be looking at the 1080's and laughing thinking "Man remember when we used to think those were fast and they were 1000 bucks? hahaha".

A perfect example would be the 780 ti. And the original Geforce Titan from the same period right?
at the time that was out, we all marveled at the mind blowing numbers these things were churning out... the titan had omg... SIX gb of ram on it... and like 2000 cuda cores? But then like only a year or so later, the 960 came out and absolutely eclipsed the 780 ti putting the price of those units down to almost nothing in comparison, considering the 960 and the 950 are the lowest of that card lineup, and the 970 probably still beat out the 780 ti.. Progress was that fast.

These poor people who always wanted to have the best gear, barely had their shiny new 600 dollar cards installed when there was another drop in nm size and power consumption meaning there was another king of the hill meaning they wee back in the market for a newer one again!

But now, it's been 2 years since the 1080 came out, and still no news on when there'll be another jump in tech really? nothing confirmed. So are nVidia sitting on their hands as they know they can are are milking the redacted out of the 1080's aswell as having a SAVAGE amount of success in selling ALL of their old stock 9 series, 7 series, 6 series etc...

Do you think we havn't seen a new stepping because of the current demand from miners? Like if this mining thing didn't happen, do you think we'd already be on the 20xx series of cards or whatever they're gonna be called?

I mean, it'd be nice to be an nVidia shareholder right now wouldn#t it?
And i'm convinced the people in charge over at AMD are nothing short of mentally challeneged, considering the fact that they haven't been flooding the market with all different types of their old cards at reduced prices, as their cards would definitely sell like hot cakes... like they've missed out on MILLIONS if not 10's of millions of dolllars in sale revenue from the mining community because they aren't doing anything apart from releasing Vega, which is only gnna be bought by a very small minority of AMD hardcore fans... heck, I myself would nearly set up a graphics card company if this goes on any longer i swear!

it just seems like everything has ground to a complete halt, while we service the needs of the miners out there, it feels like they've abandoned us doesn't it?
There's not even any really demaning games coming out or anything that can be benchmarked,
i mean for gods sake we're still showing graphics card comparisons on software that came out in 2013... like the last time i was into building machines because i had a complete career change, and moved to 2 different countries, god married and divorced, and i come back and get a new PC< only to find out all the review sites are STILL tsting out graphics cards in blood Unigen Heaven and Farcry primal, And GTA and Crysis 3... some of them are 5 years or more old!!! I mean the heaven benchmark for heavene's sake (pun) lol..

Anyone got any opinions? Thanks for taking the time to read

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[ZGR]

I'd argue the R9 290(X) stole the 780 and 780 ti's spotlight.

We have been stuck at 4k60 for years. The only other high res is 5k and 8k which cost a lot.

Once 4k144hz rolls out, I'll be back in the market.

4k60 and 1440p144hz are getting really cheap and any mainstream GPU can power that resolution now in most games.

 

[BoomSlangx]

I'd argue the R9 290(X) stole the 780 and 780 ti's spotlight.

We have been stuck at 4k60 for years. The only other high res is 5k and 8k which cost a lot.

Once 4k144hz rolls out, I'll be back in the market.

4k60 and 1440p144hz are getting really cheap and any mainstream GPU can power that resolution now in most games.

Yah i agree, but even though we're in a stalemate with the 4k stuff, isn't this the time for companies to grind down and start making a bunch of beautiful looking games that work perfectly at those resolutions to keep us occupied, apart from Play Unknowns and Fornight, it seems like everything has just ground to a halt no?

I mean it is sad that we're still using GTA 5 and FARCRY PRIMAL as benchmarking tools, and i don't even want to talking about unigen heaven anymore lol

 

[BoomSlangx]

I'd argue the R9 290(X) stole the 780 and 780 ti's spotlight.

We have been stuck at 4k60 for years. The only other high res is 5k and 8k which cost a lot.

Once 4k144hz rolls out, I'll be back in the market.

4k60 and 1440p144hz are getting really cheap and any mainstream GPU can power that resolution now in most games.

And let's not forget the old Rainbow Six Seige being used as a benchmark for some reason, when it's one of the ugliest games i've seen in years, the lighting and textures are so unrealistic it actually reminds of of halflife 2... i bet that game if properly optimized could be run on the backboard of a basketball hoop.

We need some innovation!!!

 

[ZGR]

Yah i agree, but even though we're in a stalemate with the 4k stuff, isn't this the time for companies to grind down and start making a bunch of beautiful looking games that work perfectly at those resolutions to keep us occupied, apart from Play Unknowns and Fornight, it seems like everything has just ground to a halt no?

I mean it is sad that we're still using GTA 5 and FARCRY PRIMAL as benchmarking tools, and i don't even want to talking about unigen heaven anymore lol

There's tons of non multiplayer games for this market. I just got Kingdom Come Deliverence which is the best looking RPG I have ever played. Makes all GPU's on the market seem slow.

Elite Dangerous and Star Citizen are the best looking space games and the former is so well optimized, a GTX 1060 can run it at 4k60.

Destiny 2, while quite boring, is very well optimized at 4k. Ghost Recon Wildlands is also a great example.

I have yet to play the new Assassin's Creed, but that also looks amazing at 4k.

Even Rainbow Six Siege allows an R9 290/GTX 1050 ti to play at 4k60 low.

Using older games for benchmarks allows comparisons without having to rerun the tests. It isn't a perfect methodology, but it is needed. We still use the older version of Cinebench just for that reason to compare older CPU's.

 

[ZGR]

And let's not forget the old Rainbow Six Seige being used as a benchmark for some reason, when it's one of the ugliest games i've seen in years, the lighting and textures are so unrealistic it actually reminds of of halflife 2... i bet that game if properly optimized could be run on the backboard of a basketball hoop.

We need some innovation!!!

Rainbow Six Siege is finally getting popular. It is getting its biggest DLC release in a month, and has the best destruction physics in any FPS game.

 

[kondziowy]

Rainbow Six Siege and CS:GO should actually be tested because of a huge player base.

If GPU mining ends and a month after Nvidia releases new GPUs - it would be a genius move. The market would be flooded with cheap used cards and they still would sell new cards with high prices and more performance. So if they have new GPU's every year than they can keep us on Pascal for 2 years -> have Volta AND Next-gen ready. So now in 2018 they can release Volta and still have new cards ready if mining ends and make genius move anytime they need without dropping prices There is no need to stall market for more than 2 years so new cards must come this year.

 

[BoomSlangx]

There's tons of non multiplayer games for this market. I just got Kingdom Come Deliverence which is the best looking RPG I have ever played. Makes all GPU's on the market seem slow.

Elite Dangerous and Star Citizen are the best looking space games and the former is so well optimized, a GTX 1060 can run it at 4k60.

Destiny 2, while quite boring, is very well optimized at 4k. Ghost Recon Wildlands is also a great example.

I have yet to play the new Assassin's Creed, but that also looks amazing at 4k.

Even Rainbow Six Siege allows an R9 290/GTX 1050 ti to play at 4k60 low.

Using older games for benchmarks allows comparisons without having to rerun the tests. It isn't a perfect methodology, but it is needed. We still use the older version of Cinebench just for that reason to compare older CPU's.

hm i kinda thing kingdom come was already done in the witcher, the witcher would have easily look just as great had the size of the game been small no? it's similar enough as it is, and look at Crysis 3, that probably looks as good bar maybe the lighting HDR and bloom parts of lighting anyway.

Destiny 2 isn't that great, like zoom in on your character and the textures are very muddy.basically what im saying is, yeah we might be getting "Different games" but we're really not getting "new" ones. Like Kingdom come is a complete 100% ripoff of the witcher, blatantly. from the look of it, to the era, even down to the blood voice acting! lol. it's supposed to be set in somewhere like germany? or poland? Yet all the people in it have all types of different falvor of colloquial British accents, Northern Accents, Southern accents, everyone is unneducated, they have the exact same kinda clothes and intelligence levels etc, we've already seen that game before.

Destiny 2? seen in in part 1,
Pubg? now we have a Pubg mixed with Overwatch graphics... can people not see these complete ripoffs? nothing excites me.
Prey was kinda the biggest release, and it was worse than Andromeda... lol

 

[ZGR]

I totally disagree with you here, but when it comes to enjoying a game, it is subjective. I enjoyed the Witcher series, but it never connected to me like Kingdom Come has. I feel like they are completely different. One is a fantasy series, and the other is a lot more grounded.

"Ripoffs" will always happen in any industry. This is a good thing. Without it, we would not see the evolution and refinement in many things we take for granted today. Some people love Fortnite, some love PUBG, others like ARMA 3 Survival (which is what PUBG "ripped off" from ARMA 2).

Would you compare Dead Rising, Dying Light, and Dead Island the exact same game? They are all Zombie survival games but each incredibly different.

But this has nothing to do with graphics, but rather opinion.

 

[kondziowy]

There always were and still are only 1-2 good games per year. And I mean like across all consoles and PC's.

But those games are different for different people. For me the good ones were:
>2000 Heretic, Doom 1
2000 Colin McRae Rally 2
2001 Max Payne 1
2002 Pokemon Ruby
2003 NFS Underground 1 (multiplayer drag racing ), Maybe Max Payne 2
2004
2005 Trauma Center:Under the Knife NDS
2006 LocoRoco 1 PSP
2007 Bioshock 1, Mass Effect 1, Portal 1, Forza Motorsport 2 (Golden year)
2008 Assassins Creed 1
2009 Mirror's Edge 1
2010
2011 Dead Space 2
2012
2013 Beyond Two Souls
2014 Alien Isolation
2015
2016 Quantum Break, Kinda liked Firewatch
2017
2018

Everything else is just there to suck my money, I play them in hope that this one will be a good game and get spanked in the face every time

I believe this year I will play a good game 1080Ti will dip below 60fps in 1080p Ultra, but just like for the last 10 years we will get all new 1180Ti 1080p card for 1000$ Exciting times incoming for sure!!

 

[Roger Wilco]

The 960 eclipsed the 780ti?

 

[nitromullet]

I think the OP makes some fair points, but I think the main reasons for the current shortage are that NVIDIA is on a roughly two year cycle (as they were between the 9 and 10 series), and they are no longer manufacturing new Pascal chips.

I imagine that they are currently in the process of making Volta/Ampere chips for a 20 series launch in the spring. It makes sense that they would not ramp production of the 10 series to meet miner/gamer demands this late in the architecture's cycle, but I have a feeling when the new series launches they will raise the price overall and produce as many chips as they can sell. With an assumed two year life cycle for the 20 series, even if the mining bubble were to pop later this year they would still be able to sell all Volta/Ampere the chips they make without having to discount them.

 

[Shmee]

I think you are partly right, it seems they don't make games like they used to. I don't think it is due to mining though, as that will suck up GPU supply, but I don't think it has an influence on game devs. For some time now, the price of games have gone up, less work has been put into them, and then you got to pay more with DLCs. It used to be, in the good old days, you payed about $20 or $30 for a game, and then you got content patches. Now you pay $60+ at launch for games not finished, and then they expect you to pay more.

Also, many games have cut out user and community made content such as custom maps, mods, total conversions, etc. They have also for the most part done away with user end dedi servers, in some cases ANY dedicated servers, in the favor of junk matchmaking.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Not me. My 980 ti is still "good enough" for now and it's always been my plan to wait for the 2080 ti (since AMD hasn't announced anything to take the high-end crown).

I just hope the mining bubble pops by then.

 

[BoomSlangx]

I totally disagree with you here, but when it comes to enjoying a game, it is subjective. I enjoyed the Witcher series, but it never connected to me like Kingdom Come has. I feel like they are completely different. One is a fantasy series, and the other is a lot more grounded.

"Ripoffs" will always happen in any industry. This is a good thing. Without it, we would not see the evolution and refinement in many things we take for granted today. Some people love Fortnite, some love PUBG, others like ARMA 3 Survival (which is what PUBG "ripped off" from ARMA 2).

Would you compare Dead Rising, Dying Light, and Dead Island the exact same game? They are all Zombie survival games but each incredibly different.

But this has nothing to do with graphics, but rather opinion.

Hey man, i've been sick the last couple of days with Flu and a chest infection, couldn't even turn on my computer
Yah i know it's good to have refinements for games, but in alot of the good ones, those games didn't come out because there was another game on the market that'd just gone through everyones console like a bush fire, they came out because the developer had a strong idea and they released it when it was ready .
It's been annoying me lately that anytime there's a game that hits BIG with the public, for the next year you see NOTHING but clones of the game over and over and over.
The first big one i notied was Minecraft. I was sick of looking at THAT game man, yet every time i switched to a different channel, there was anoth TERRIBLEY blocky graphiced game with TERRIBLE blocky animations trying to copy it without 100% infringing on copyright. Overall i think there's about 70 minecraft clones that actually got any real buyer numbers.

Then the next one i remember was DAY-z... How many games did you see coming out on steam with "Z" at the end of it in capital letters that DIDN'T have zombies running after you in a big map where you start with no weapon and have to surivive as long as you can? damn lol

The biggest issue for me, as someone mentioned is the pricing structures now.
I think EA and anyone in any kind of management or marketing role in that company should be lined up against a wall and shot.

They continue. every single day to MESS up every single game and franchise they get their greedy paws on don't they?
Im a MASSIVe Star Wars fan (prequels fan, love the clone wars era and cartoons), and somehow... SOMEHOW they managed to destory the star wars franchise in games... one they STARTED.... How do you mess up star wars!???
Im disgusted at their greedy owners and managers.
After EA had to take down the "micro" transactions (why are they called microtransactions when some of these transactions are 99.99) temporarily as Disney and the user base was unhappy, their knob of a CEO said to some news outlet "Yes, we've turned them off for now, but i don't care, we're not giving up on the microtransaction avenue yet, we're certain there's a way to make them work".
Like do you even know how brazen and bold that sounds? "We know our overseers and our customers hate them, and they think they're being ripped off because they've already bought the game, and upgrading and leveling and unlocking should all be part of the game they've paid for, not extra costs" but we don't give a MONKEYS, we want more than 60 dollars, as 60 dollars isn't enough for the amount the game costs to make and market, so we'll continue to destroy our reputation and every franchise we own until we make more money so we can buy more hats, hotels and hairgel.

It's disgusting.
Now in fairness, 60 isn't enough for a AAA game. but it IS enough for a AAA from EA on THAT franchise. As they're gonna sell MASSIVELY higher amounts of the game than any other one of their franchises, unless... yup. unless they do what they did. Add in the microtransactions everyone said they didn't want. So even though they were being told in the feedback before the game released (up to a year before the release, they had thousands of emails saying please don't add in paid progression or ludicrous time input unlocks). They did it anyway, and because they did it, before everyone who wanted the game could buy it (usually within the first 14 days) they lost a projected 30% sales, and had to have the microtransations turned off anyway, AND Disney are now looking for other companies to make their games for them .
So where does greed and ignorance get you? Here. But they'll get away with it of course, they always do.

Every single year, they mess up over and over, walking all over their customers, all the time, and they always just keep doing it and coming through the flames smiling and with the slick hairdoo'd guy acting like nothing happened. And they will continue to do so.
Why? Because people keep buying the games! lol

Anyway, a main point here. American's are always complaining "IF YOU CHARGE 60 DOLLARS FOR A GAME, IT SHOULD HAVE EVERYTHING IN IT, IT'S ALOT OF MONEY, IT'S A FULL PRICE GAME"... Im always like "Damn man, they complain over paying 60 dollars, i live in europe, when a game comes out in Ireland where i'm from, it's between 74.99 and 79.99". Yup, the games american's pay 60 for and complain, i pay 80 euro's for which is about 87 dollars.

Gamestop are the EA of retailers. Do you know what these scumbags do? and they get away with it.. ggrrr.
If i go in and buy let's say Metal Gear Solid 6. It's 79.99 ok? Then i bring it home, and some how finish it in 14 hours. And i think damn now i can trade it in and buy Gran Turismo 7 while MGS is still new so i'll get more for the game on trade in.
So i bring MGS into gamestop, only bought it yesterday for 79.99. Gamestop will buy it back off me for 28.99. Yep, 28.99.
Now, do you want to know what's even more insulting than that? Once they hand me my 28.99, they then put a new stick on MGS7 that says used, they put it NOT in the used section of the store, they put it on an emty shelf RIGHT under the new copies of MGS7, and the used price on the box says???? 74.99... yup, im not kidding. They sell it to me for 80, they take it back for 30, then they RESELL it for 75.
Now, they buy an 80 euro game for 34 cost price per uni. so they make 46 profit from the sale of it. i sell it back to them for 30 so their profit goes down to only 16, but now when they sell it again for 75, thats a full 75 profit.. + the 16 they had from the original sale. It's nothing short of disgusting.

Thanks! needed that rant lol

 

[Shmee]

I am with you on Star wars. I like the games, even the new ones can be fun, but I am pissed at what Disney did with the old EU and games etc not being canon. Plus the new series of movies don't seem as good to me (episode VII and VIII) as they just seem so recycled and with many plot holes IMO. I honestly think the emperor reborn and Thrawn campaign etc were better stories. But this is about games, I digress :/

For the record, my favorite Star wars games are probably Dark forces and Empire at War (RTS).

 

[MrSquished]

There always were and still are only 1-2 good games per year. And I mean like across all consoles and PC's.

But those games are different for different people. For me the good ones were:
>2000 Heretic, Doom 1
2000 Colin McRae Rally 2
2001 Max Payne 1
2002 Pokemon Ruby
2003 NFS Underground 1 (multiplayer drag racing ), Maybe Max Payne 2
2004
2005 Trauma Center:Under the Knife NDS
2006 LocoRoco 1 PSP
2007 Bioshock 1, Mass Effect 1, Portal 1, Forza Motorsport 2 (Golden year)
2008 Assassins Creed 1
2009 Mirror's Edge 1
2010
2011 Dead Space 2
2012
2013 Beyond Two Souls
2014 Alien Isolation
2015
2016 Quantum Break, Kinda liked Firewatch
2017
2018

Everything else is just there to suck my money, I play them in hope that this one will be a good game and get spanked in the face every time

I believe this year I will play a good game 1080Ti will dip below 60fps in 1080p Ultra, but just like for the last 10 years we will get all new 1180Ti 1080p card for 1000$ Exciting times incoming for sure!!

You forgot a single Battlefield game. Entire list is questionable