Are you surprised with the polls about waterboarding the detroit terrorist??

[ProfJohn]

I find these polls surprising, especially after being told that everyone is against Waterboarding.

Seems that the American people are against waterboarding only when it is convenient, but when faced with the prospect of more attacks they seem to have no problem with waterboarding suspects if they think it will make them safer.

Sort of changed the dynamics on the waterboarding debate.

Only 30% of Americans oppose waterboarding or aggressive interrogation.

Personally I am surprised by the results, I thought we had come to accept that waterboarding was a bad thing and that we wouldn't do it unless absolutely necessary.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...oarding_of_plane_terrorist_to_get_information

Fifty-eight percent (58%) of U.S. voters say waterboarding and other aggressive interrogation techniques should be used to gain information from the terrorist who attempted to bomb an airliner on Christmas Day.
A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that just 30% oppose the use of such techniques, and another 12% are not sure.

 

[UberNeuman]

Am I surprised with a Rasmussen poll - no, not really...

\care to predict some more...
\\cause it's easy money for me...

 

[Zebo]

You've seen nothing yet. Wait till Fundis set off a nuke in low flying Cessna - they want to waterboard their neighbor who disagrees with waterboarding.

 

[UberNeuman]

You've seen nothing yet. Wait till Fundis set off a nuke in low flying Cessna - they want to waterboard their neighbor who disagrees with waterboarding.

Your fear is duly noted..

\your sarcasm needs work.....

 

[Craig234]

Disgusting. And an irony is that the guy reportedly was happy to talk anyway.

 

[ProfJohn]

Disgusting. And an irony is that the guy reportedly was happy to talk anyway.

What is really disgusting is the fact that they placed him into the civilian criminal justice system and gave him a lawyer who most likely told him to stop talking.

 

[Craig234]

What is really disgusting is the fact that they placed him into the civilian criminal justice system and gave him a lawyer who most likely told him to stop talking.

Justice isn't disgusting, and they have plenty of ways to incent criminals to talk if they want. By our contry's principles, people have the right to remain silent. Your silence on torture is what's disgusting.

 

[IGBT]

watch what happens next terrorist event. enhanced interrogation will be the norm. along with profiling.

 

[IGBT]

What is really disgusting is the fact that they placed him into the civilian criminal justice system and gave him a lawyer who most likely told him to stop talking.

yup. and the obama's ACLU buddies will be his lawyer. think about that when you pay your taxes this year.

 

[Patranus]

yup. and the obama's ACLU buddies will be his lawyer. think about that when you pay your taxes this year.

The same one that is representing KSM and is from the law firm Eric Holder was on the board of?

Or a different one?

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Dude couldn't even light his underwear on fire. What could we possibly hope to gain from waterboarding him?

That said... I'm all for the aggressive interrogation of REAL terrorists.

 

[Sclamoz]

Torture works great when the person you are torturing knows something. This kid is a nobody in al-qeada, that's why he was used in a suicide mission. Torturing him will result in him spouting out a bunch of BS to get the torture to stop.

 

[paperfist]

Justice isn't disgusting, and they have plenty of ways to incent criminals to talk if they want. By our contry's principles, people have the right to remain silent. Your silence on torture is what's disgusting.

If you are an American and commit a crime in Iran which justice system will Iran use to try you?

So why should someone who's foreign to this country and who attempted to kill 300 people be afforded justice by our system? If they don't want to be subject to torture then they should not be willing to torture the lives of 300 people and all of their families.

 

[palehorse]

There is no need to waterboard anyone except when WMDs may be involved... then, and only then, all bets are off.

The poll results, however, do not surprise me at all...

 

[Zebo]

Torture works great when the person you are torturing knows something. This kid is a nobody in al-qeada, that's why he was used in a suicide mission. Torturing him will result in him spouting out a bunch of BS to get the torture to stop.

Good points.

 

[Craig234]

If you are an American and commit a crime in Iran which justice system will Iran use to try you?

So why should someone who's foreign to this country and who attempted to kill 300 people be afforded justice by our system?

Iranian. And an Iranian (this guy was Nigerian from a crew in Yemen, by the way, but you have a hard on for Iran I guess) who commits a crime against the US should be tried by our system. Without torture.

And yes, I'm against all torture by Iran, Nigeria and Yemen too. Israel is ok to torture as a favor to Jediyoda.

If they don't want to be subject to torture then they should not be willing to torture the lives of 300 people and all of their families.

Can I play? "He shouldn't have held up that liquor store if he didn't want his genetials mutilated". "He shouldn't have shot at our troop if he didn't want his family killed in revenge." Hey, this is fun.

 

[WHAMPOM]

What is really disgusting is the fact that they placed him into the civilian criminal justice system and gave him a lawyer who most likely told him to stop talking.

America is a disgusting place to put law before the lynch mob. Now that you have made it clear you no longer love America. When ya leaving?

 

[Craig234]

There is no need to waterboard anyone except when WMDs may be involved... then, and only then, all bets are off.

The poll results, however, do not surprise me at all...

There's this one area of moral issues I'm pleasantly surprised Palehorse and I seem to have similar positions.

 

[Zebo]

There is no need to waterboard anyone except when WMDs may be involved... then, and only then, all bets are off.

The poll results, however, do not surprise me at all...

You ever watch taken? There are more needs than WMDs.

 

[FaaR]

If you are an American and commit a crime in Iran which justice system will Iran use to try you?

So why should someone who's foreign to this country and who attempted to kill 300 people be afforded justice by our system?

You don't make an iota of sense.

You commit a crime in Iran, you get tried under the Iranian system of justice.

You commit a crime in the US, you get tried under US system of justice.

Btw, this guy was not Iranian, nor did he travel from Iran either.

You chickenhawk haters of due process don't deserve it, nor any justice whatsoever for that matter. Maybe you would appreciate due process a bit more if you got to experience its absence first-hand...

 

[Jaskalas]

Justice isn't disgusting, and they have plenty of ways to incent criminals to talk if they want. By our contry's principles, people have the right to remain silent. Your silence on torture is what's disgusting.

Foreign terrorists should not be treated as an American citizen would. It's new age warfare we're facing here, not some petty criminal who may or may not be guilty of an accusation.

 

[Sclamoz]

yup. and the obama's ACLU buddies will be his lawyer. think about that when you pay your taxes this year.

Did they also represent Richard Reid, Zacarias Moussaoui and John Allen Muhammad?

Foreign terrorists should not be treated as an American citizen would. It's new age warfare we're facing here, not some petty criminal who may or may not be guilty of an accusation.

How do you know he's guilty until there has been some kind of trial and sentencing?

 

[Craig234]

Foreign terrorists should not be treated as an American citizen would. It's new age warfare we're facing here, not some petty criminal who may or may not be guilty of an accusation.

I could discuss this, but a starting point would be establishing a choice between the American criminla justice system and the secrity that a future president doesn't put people without evidence not secret detention for life, using all kinds of horrific psychological and physical torture on them, as that's a very, very easy call o the side of our criminal justice system, and I see no such protection.

 

[Patranus]

The only problem with much of the posters logic on this forums is that this was not a crime rather another act of war.'

Read the 911 report. This is a war, not a police action.

 

[palehorse]

There's this one area of moral issues I'm pleasantly surprised Palehorse and I seem to have similar positions.

scary, isnt it?

The fact of the matter is that I know first-hand what we are capable of when using authorized and humane interrogation techniques. There's simply no need to resort to waterboarding and other nonsense when WMDs are not involved. Even then, there are less physical techniques that would likely work just as well, and just as quickly.

I think even PJ would be pleasantly surprised by the effectiveness of our humane interrogation experts -- after all, they've had almost ten years of constant war to perfect their techniques!