Are you rooting for Israel or Gaza?

[LS21]

Originally posted by: Slapstick
Out of curiosity how you you all feel if say Mexico launched missiles into Texas on a regular basis. They didn't do much damage maybe kill a Texan or two occasionally and damage a building but not much more than that. Now the people in the boarder towns fear for their lives and have to change the way they live in order to protect themselves and their children. So now the question for all of you folks is, does the US have the right and the responsibility to it's people to bomb those responsible for the attacks to try and stop those attacks even knowing that some civilians are going to die or do you just let the Mexicans fire rockets and mortars at will into the US occasionally killing a few Texans?

BTW I'm really picking on Mexico it's just that we all know Canada is too damn polite and laid back to anything like that.

so unfair to take it out of context (history). mexico wouldnt have started launching missiles out of nowhere, suddenly all at once.

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: Slapstick
Out of curiosity how you you all feel if say Mexico launched missiles into Texas on a regular basis. They didn't do much damage maybe kill a Texan or two occasionally and damage a building but not much more than that. Now the people in the boarder towns fear for their lives and have to change the way they live in order to protect themselves and their children. So now the question for all of you folks is, does the US have the right and the responsibility to it's people to bomb those responsible for the attacks to try and stop those attacks even knowing that some civilians are going to die or do you just let the Mexicans fire rockets and mortars at will into the US occasionally killing a few Texans?

BTW I'm really picking on Mexico it's just that we all know Canada is too damn polite and laid back to anything like that.

You're leaving something essential out of your comparison. In 1948, those Mexicans weren't forcibly removed from Texas, you're implying they're bombing shit for the fuck of it. The woman who died in Ashkelon from a Hamas rocket (she's also the single Israeli casualty thus far) was killed by the previous owners of the land in that village who were forced from their homes.

Gaza is one of the most densely populated areas in the world. That's like the US saying they weren't targeting civilians when they a-bomb'd Tokyo, it doesn't add up. Israel knows they're killing civilians.

How many of you knew Israel has elections coming up soon? Livni, Barak, and the rest of their cronies are trying to generate fuel for their re-elections. I hope the Israeli people see through their mindless violence and vote accordingly.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Slapstick
Out of curiosity how you you all feel if say Mexico launched missiles into Texas on a regular basis. They didn't do much damage maybe kill a Texan or two occasionally and damage a building but not much more than that. Now the people in the boarder towns fear for their lives and have to change the way they live in order to protect themselves and their children. So now the question for all of you folks is, does the US have the right and the responsibility to it's people to bomb those responsible for the attacks to try and stop those attacks even knowing that some civilians are going to die or do you just let the Mexicans fire rockets and mortars at will into the US occasionally killing a few Texans?

BTW I'm really picking on Mexico it's just that we all know Canada is too damn polite and laid back to anything like that.

First, I would tell the Texans to stop illegally invading Mexican territory and killing Mexicans unprovoked, thus forcing the hands of Hamas to retaliate. I would also tell Texas to stop halting international aid shipments into Gaza. If this hypothetical is anything like the Gaza situation, then that is exactly what would be happening.

Second, I would step aside. I don't give a shit what happens to Texas 😉

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: Slapstick
Out of curiosity how you you all feel if say Mexico launched missiles into Texas on a regular basis. They didn't do much damage maybe kill a Texan or two occasionally and damage a building but not much more than that. Now the people in the boarder towns fear for their lives and have to change the way they live in order to protect themselves and their children. So now the question for all of you folks is, does the US have the right and the responsibility to it's people to bomb those responsible for the attacks to try and stop those attacks even knowing that some civilians are going to die or do you just let the Mexicans fire rockets and mortars at will into the US occasionally killing a few Texans?

BTW I'm really picking on Mexico it's just that we all know Canada is too damn polite and laid back to anything like that.

Your hypothetical bears only superficial resemblance to the situation in Gaza. With just little thought you'll realize there is a much more to the conflict then mean old Palestinians picking on poor little Israelis.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: Slapstick
Out of curiosity how you you all feel if say Mexico launched missiles into Texas on a regular basis. They didn't do much damage maybe kill a Texan or two occasionally and damage a building but not much more than that. Now the people in the boarder towns fear for their lives and have to change the way they live in order to protect themselves and their children. So now the question for all of you folks is, does the US have the right and the responsibility to it's people to bomb those responsible for the attacks to try and stop those attacks even knowing that some civilians are going to die or do you just let the Mexicans fire rockets and mortars at will into the US occasionally killing a few Texans?

BTW I'm really picking on Mexico it's just that we all know Canada is too damn polite and laid back to anything like that.

Canada sends moosiles at us. Luckily its just the Minnesotans who are at risk, and who cares about them?

Really though, their fervence in fighting for land comes straight out of the koran, which instructs them that their emporer is the incarnation of allah and it's their duty to fight for him and his land. Strange then, that their clerics cry foul at imagined discrimination against muslims living in the us and europe, when they know damn well if the shoe was on the other foot they'd stone us to death for "aggression" (the irony, it burns!).

 

[Slapstick]

Actually it's not that far fetched, read history and something along those lines happen in 1916, Poncho Villa raided Texas boarder towns, killing US citizens and generally creating terror among the Texas population. President Willson sent Gen. Pershing into Mexico to hunt down Villa. If that same senerio happened today bombs and planes would be doing the hunting not Gen. Pershing.

 

[Slapstick]

Oops double post

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: JLee
Israel. From what I've seen, they seem to tolerate about a week's worth of rocket/mortar attacks, then they obliterate a sizable chunk of the bad guys...at which time Hamas complains about it. 😕

Weeks? Try years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L..._Qassam_rocket_attacks

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: Slapstick
Out of curiosity how you you all feel if say Mexico launched missiles into Texas on a regular basis. They didn't do much damage maybe kill a Texan or two occasionally and damage a building but not much more than that. Now the people in the boarder towns fear for their lives and have to change the way they live in order to protect themselves and their children. So now the question for all of you folks is, does the US have the right and the responsibility to it's people to bomb those responsible for the attacks to try and stop those attacks even knowing that some civilians are going to die or do you just let the Mexicans fire rockets and mortars at will into the US occasionally killing a few Texans?

BTW I'm really picking on Mexico it's just that we all know Canada is too damn polite and laid back to anything like that.

Canada sends moosiles at us. Luckily its just the Minnesotans who are at risk, and who cares about them?

Really though, their fervence in fighting for land comes straight out of the koran, which instructs them that their emporer is the incarnation of allah and it's their duty to fight for him and his land. Strange then, that their clerics cry foul at imagined discrimination against muslims living in the us and europe, when they know damn well if the shoe was on the other foot they'd stone us to death for "aggression" (the irony, it burns!).

Reading any of your other posts makes you out to be just as big a xenophobe as you claim all Muslims to be. You don't even understand what you're citing. I'm guessing you got your 411 on the Quran from FOX News?

Hamas was the one who obeyed the ceasefire, and fired one rocket in retaliation to a killed Palestinian protestor in Nihlin. Israel did not act on it's end of the deal, did not allow aid to enter Gaza, and continued it's military blockade of the Gaza Strip. Gazans have been without supplies and electricity for months now. Some taxi drivers retrofitted their engines to run off spent falafel oil (google it, it's true, biodiesel wannabes) since what little fuel they get goes to electrical generation. Israel engineered the entire thing in their favor.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: Slapstick
Out of curiosity how you you all feel if say Mexico launched missiles into Texas on a regular basis. They didn't do much damage maybe kill a Texan or two occasionally and damage a building but not much more than that. Now the people in the boarder towns fear for their lives and have to change the way they live in order to protect themselves and their children. So now the question for all of you folks is, does the US have the right and the responsibility to it's people to bomb those responsible for the attacks to try and stop those attacks even knowing that some civilians are going to die or do you just let the Mexicans fire rockets and mortars at will into the US occasionally killing a few Texans?

BTW I'm really picking on Mexico it's just that we all know Canada is too damn polite and laid back to anything like that.

Canada sends moosiles at us. Luckily its just the Minnesotans who are at risk, and who cares about them?

Really though, their fervence in fighting for land comes straight out of the koran, which instructs them that their emporer is the incarnation of allah and it's their duty to fight for him and his land. Strange then, that their clerics cry foul at imagined discrimination against muslims living in the us and europe, when they know damn well if the shoe was on the other foot they'd stone us to death for "aggression" (the irony, it burns!).

Jesus effing Christ you're so ignorant.

They have no "emporer"

Muhamet was a prophet. Even a cursury reading of the Quran would reveal this to you.

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: JLee
Israel. From what I've seen, they seem to tolerate about a week's worth of rocket/mortar attacks, then they obliterate a sizable chunk of the bad guys...at which time Hamas complains about it. 😕

Weeks? Try years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L..._Qassam_rocket_attacks

From your link:

Fifteen (15)[citation needed] Israelis have been killed and over 433 injured, along with significant property damage

In three days Israel has killed 360+ civilians and injured 1700+. The death toll from Israel's actions in only THREE DAYS nearly match only the injuries from a decade. I ask you to tell me who the fucking aggressor is.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: zoiks
Fuck Israel and Hamas.

I used to think that Israel was the aggressor, then I read a bit more history and was like you both sides are equally to blame then I read more and learned it's 100% Jihad campaign against Israel and Israel bends over backwards not to hurt them - they don't even have death penalty for terrorists who blow up whole schools.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: Slapstick
Out of curiosity how you you all feel if say Mexico launched missiles into Texas on a regular basis. They didn't do much damage maybe kill a Texan or two occasionally and damage a building but not much more than that. Now the people in the boarder towns fear for their lives and have to change the way they live in order to protect themselves and their children. So now the question for all of you folks is, does the US have the right and the responsibility to it's people to bomb those responsible for the attacks to try and stop those attacks even knowing that some civilians are going to die or do you just let the Mexicans fire rockets and mortars at will into the US occasionally killing a few Texans?

BTW I'm really picking on Mexico it's just that we all know Canada is too damn polite and laid back to anything like that.

Canada sends moosiles at us. Luckily its just the Minnesotans who are at risk, and who cares about them?

Really though, their fervence in fighting for land comes straight out of the koran, which instructs them that their emporer is the incarnation of allah and it's their duty to fight for him and his land. Strange then, that their clerics cry foul at imagined discrimination against muslims living in the us and europe, when they know damn well if the shoe was on the other foot they'd stone us to death for "aggression" (the irony, it burns!).

Reading any of your other posts makes you out to be just as big a xenophobe as you claim all Muslims to be. You don't even understand what you're citing. I'm guessing you got your 411 on the Quran from FOX News?

Hamas was the one who obeyed the ceasefire, and fired one rocket in retaliation to a killed Palestinian protestor in Nihlin. Israel did not act on it's end of the deal, did not allow aid to enter Gaza, and continued it's military blockade of the Gaza Strip. Gazans have been without supplies and electricity for months now. Some taxi drivers retrofitted their engines to run off spent falafel oil (google it, it's true, biodiesel wannabes) since what little fuel they get goes to electrical generation. Israel engineered the entire thing in their favor.

A dig about fox news when you're linking aljazeera? :laugh:

I read a number of sources so as to limit the effect of bias.

 

[Rage187]

gogo Israel!

They know they have a couple more weeks before Obama takes office so they are going to finish the fight with Hamas once and for all while we will still run cover for them in the UN. Don't be surprised if this is all a front to get another opposing force to drop its guard.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: JLee
Israel. From what I've seen, they seem to tolerate about a week's worth of rocket/mortar attacks, then they obliterate a sizable chunk of the bad guys...at which time Hamas complains about it. 😕

Weeks? Try years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L..._Qassam_rocket_attacks

From your link:

Fifteen (15)[citation needed] Israelis have been killed and over 433 injured, along with significant property damage

In three days Israel has killed 360+ civilians and injured 1700+. The death toll from Israel's actions in only THREE DAYS nearly match only the injuries from a decade. I ask you to tell me who the fucking aggressor is.

It?s not a tennis match with a referee to keep it ?fair.?

Anyone who wants to WIN will definitely use "disproportionate" force.

 

[Rage187]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: JLee
Israel. From what I've seen, they seem to tolerate about a week's worth of rocket/mortar attacks, then they obliterate a sizable chunk of the bad guys...at which time Hamas complains about it. 😕

Weeks? Try years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L..._Qassam_rocket_attacks

From your link:

Fifteen (15)[citation needed] Israelis have been killed and over 433 injured, along with significant property damage

In three days Israel has killed 360+ civilians and injured 1700+. The death toll from Israel's actions in only THREE DAYS nearly match only the injuries from a decade. I ask you to tell me who the fucking aggressor is.

It?s not a tennis match with a referee to keep it ?fair.?

Anyone who wants to WIN will definitely use "disproportionate" force.

I also love how he considers every one of the 360 people killed civilians.

The Palestinian death toll from the campaign has topped 300, most of them Hamas militants, Palestinian medical sources said Monday.

 

[imported_Champ]

i vote for...pancakes

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: Slapstick
Out of curiosity how you you all feel if say Mexico launched missiles into Texas on a regular basis. They didn't do much damage maybe kill a Texan or two occasionally and damage a building but not much more than that. Now the people in the boarder towns fear for their lives and have to change the way they live in order to protect themselves and their children. So now the question for all of you folks is, does the US have the right and the responsibility to it's people to bomb those responsible for the attacks to try and stop those attacks even knowing that some civilians are going to die or do you just let the Mexicans fire rockets and mortars at will into the US occasionally killing a few Texans?

BTW I'm really picking on Mexico it's just that we all know Canada is too damn polite and laid back to anything like that.

Canada sends moosiles at us. Luckily its just the Minnesotans who are at risk, and who cares about them?

Really though, their fervence in fighting for land comes straight out of the koran, which instructs them that their emporer is the incarnation of allah and it's their duty to fight for him and his land. Strange then, that their clerics cry foul at imagined discrimination against muslims living in the us and europe, when they know damn well if the shoe was on the other foot they'd stone us to death for "aggression" (the irony, it burns!).

Reading any of your other posts makes you out to be just as big a xenophobe as you claim all Muslims to be. You don't even understand what you're citing. I'm guessing you got your 411 on the Quran from FOX News?

Hamas was the one who obeyed the ceasefire, and fired one rocket in retaliation to a killed Palestinian protestor in Nihlin. Israel did not act on it's end of the deal, did not allow aid to enter Gaza, and continued it's military blockade of the Gaza Strip. Gazans have been without supplies and electricity for months now. Some taxi drivers retrofitted their engines to run off spent falafel oil (google it, it's true, biodiesel wannabes) since what little fuel they get goes to electrical generation. Israel engineered the entire thing in their favor.

A dig about fox news when you're linking aljazeera? :laugh:

I read a number of sources so as to limit the effect of bias.

Talk about your non sequitur, that doesn't change the fact that you're completely wrong and have no idea what you're talking about! Islam has no "emperor," and one of its main tenets is that there is only one God, no associates, no "incarnates" that you speak of, none of that.

And I have no problem with citing Al Jazeera. If I want news on the Middle East, I'm going to get it from the fucking Middle East. I can cite Al Arabiya if you'd rather read that or any of Hamas/Hezbollah/Iraqi Resistance's TV stations, being the many FOX News Channels of the area.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Rage187

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: JLee
Israel. From what I've seen, they seem to tolerate about a week's worth of rocket/mortar attacks, then they obliterate a sizable chunk of the bad guys...at which time Hamas complains about it. 😕

Weeks? Try years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L..._Qassam_rocket_attacks

From your link:

Fifteen (15)[citation needed] Israelis have been killed and over 433 injured, along with significant property damage

In three days Israel has killed 360+ civilians and injured 1700+. The death toll from Israel's actions in only THREE DAYS nearly match only the injuries from a decade. I ask you to tell me who the fucking aggressor is.

It?s not a tennis match with a referee to keep it ?fair.?

Anyone who wants to WIN will definitely use "disproportionate" force.

I also love how he considers every one of the 360 people killed civilians.

Many are because Hamas chicken shits they are shield their bases and rockets with women and children hoping West will react to their deaths.

 

[timosyy]

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
In three days Israel has killed 360+ civilians and injured 1700+. The death toll from Israel's actions in only THREE DAYS nearly match only the injuries from a decade. I ask you to tell me who the fucking aggressor is.

Well, since in your comparison the Israelis are attacking after being attacked, the aggressors are Hamas...

The numbers only mean one side has much bigger weapons than the other.

 

[Rage187]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Rage187

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: JLee
Israel. From what I've seen, they seem to tolerate about a week's worth of rocket/mortar attacks, then they obliterate a sizable chunk of the bad guys...at which time Hamas complains about it. 😕

Weeks? Try years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L..._Qassam_rocket_attacks

From your link:

Fifteen (15)[citation needed] Israelis have been killed and over 433 injured, along with significant property damage

In three days Israel has killed 360+ civilians and injured 1700+. The death toll from Israel's actions in only THREE DAYS nearly match only the injuries from a decade. I ask you to tell me who the fucking aggressor is.

It?s not a tennis match with a referee to keep it ?fair.?

Anyone who wants to WIN will definitely use "disproportionate" force.

I also love how he considers every one of the 360 people killed civilians.

Many are because Hamas chicken shits they are shield their bases and rockets with women and children hoping West will react to their deaths.

The Palestinian death toll from the campaign has topped 300, most of them Hamas militants, Palestinian medical sources said Monday.

even their own people say most were militants.

I also want to mention that quote was taken from CNN who is notorius for cupping the balls of militant islam.

 

[Zebo]

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[CKent]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: Slapstick
Out of curiosity how you you all feel if say Mexico launched missiles into Texas on a regular basis. They didn't do much damage maybe kill a Texan or two occasionally and damage a building but not much more than that. Now the people in the boarder towns fear for their lives and have to change the way they live in order to protect themselves and their children. So now the question for all of you folks is, does the US have the right and the responsibility to it's people to bomb those responsible for the attacks to try and stop those attacks even knowing that some civilians are going to die or do you just let the Mexicans fire rockets and mortars at will into the US occasionally killing a few Texans?

BTW I'm really picking on Mexico it's just that we all know Canada is too damn polite and laid back to anything like that.

Canada sends moosiles at us. Luckily its just the Minnesotans who are at risk, and who cares about them?

Really though, their fervence in fighting for land comes straight out of the koran, which instructs them that their emporer is the incarnation of allah and it's their duty to fight for him and his land. Strange then, that their clerics cry foul at imagined discrimination against muslims living in the us and europe, when they know damn well if the shoe was on the other foot they'd stone us to death for "aggression" (the irony, it burns!).

Jesus effing Christ you're so ignorant.

They have no "emporer"

Muhamet was a prophet. Even a cursury reading of the Quran would reveal this to you.

I said emporer, not prophet. "King" works too, call it what you want. I'm hunting down a source now, but I know I got the general idea right from what I've read. You really want to split fucking hairs about it, then it's "Mohammed" and "cursory", learn to spell :laugh:

You have a point though, I should get stoned some time and read the koran. Guaranteed funnier than any Will Ferrel movie.

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Here you go, from Israel's biggest newspaper:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050449.html
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050412.html
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050688.html

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: Slapstick
Out of curiosity how you you all feel if say Mexico launched missiles into Texas on a regular basis. They didn't do much damage maybe kill a Texan or two occasionally and damage a building but not much more than that. Now the people in the boarder towns fear for their lives and have to change the way they live in order to protect themselves and their children. So now the question for all of you folks is, does the US have the right and the responsibility to it's people to bomb those responsible for the attacks to try and stop those attacks even knowing that some civilians are going to die or do you just let the Mexicans fire rockets and mortars at will into the US occasionally killing a few Texans?

BTW I'm really picking on Mexico it's just that we all know Canada is too damn polite and laid back to anything like that.

Canada sends moosiles at us. Luckily its just the Minnesotans who are at risk, and who cares about them?

Really though, their fervence in fighting for land comes straight out of the koran, which instructs them that their emporer is the incarnation of allah and it's their duty to fight for him and his land. Strange then, that their clerics cry foul at imagined discrimination against muslims living in the us and europe, when they know damn well if the shoe was on the other foot they'd stone us to death for "aggression" (the irony, it burns!).

Jesus effing Christ you're so ignorant.

They have no "emporer"

Muhamet was a prophet. Even a cursury reading of the Quran would reveal this to you.

I said emporer, not prophet. "King" works too, call it what you want. I'm hunting down a source now, but I know I got the general idea right from what I've read. You really want to split fucking hairs about it, then it's "Mohammed" and "cursory", learn to spell :laugh:

You have a point though, I should get stoned some time and read the koran. Guaranteed funnier than any Will Ferrel movie.

Try it with the Bible or Torah, I guarantee you you'll find it equally amusing.