Are you religious?

[Onceler]

Oh no thought police . Its easy to see which people here don't mind losing the freedom of choice.

Are you refering to believers or to those that elect people like Obama?

 

[Nemesis 1]

So you've connected a number of propositions into a web of ethic: this is how my mind works so i suppose it's how yours does as well.

I am highly sympathetic to all of what you have expressed; some of my research now is about bringing the ecological and spiritual ethic of the native american perspective back into the social sciences.

But on the topic of Jesus: I like him, he's done good things for me.
The faithless religious like this sure do hurt the cause of the people with experiences with Christ who simply want to share what they've gained with others.

Don't get confused about my feelings for Christ. It doesn't not matter who he was . Hebrew/ Eyptian Roman it doesn't matter The living word is what he was . He broke tradition if he was who I believe he was . He gave us the Knowledge of the kings and the truth. But that has been censored since he walked among us. Read the Herecy thomas gosphel . really try to grasp its meaning . Than look at manner in which written . No scribe wrote that . Now look at Bible Gosphels . That was written by scribes. Look at the form used. than recall who Christ was said to have choosen as followers . These men would not have used that writing form if they could write at all . Than read Mary MAG gosphel its very short as so much is missing . But Christ talks about Matter, eons and eras . This was a highly learned man who new things that were forbidden to know other than Kings.

Just think . I am here with you! Think understand and be set free

 

[Dr. Zaus]

I get what you're saying Nemesis and I ask the following not to be confrontational but for my own sake:

How do you address the argument that the above referenced letters where first written well after the first century: outside of the life-span of those who knew Jesus?

How, also, do you address the link between what seems to be a clear Gnostic perspective in these texts but not in any of our other letters; including those that date back to within just a few years of the death of Jesus?

Why did the people that walked with Jesus and came very close themselves to a Gnostic perspective, ie John, reject the Gnostic ideal so strongly?

 

[Onceler]

My biggest problem with bible thumpers is that they believe in "saint" Paul when Paul actually usurped Christianity for his own glorification.
He was a fake and another thing that pisses me off is that they think that he was the one that said "As a man thinketh so is he", he copied from earlier writing.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Religion, brainwashing weak minded individuals one dimwit at a time.

 

[Murloc]

I'm not american and my vote has just invalidated your poll.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Religion, brainwashing weak minded individuals one dimwit at a time.

Your right and your wrong. The angels gods that talked to men in earlist times . There is some really good proof out there in so far as to how you as an individual will except earliest scrollets and tablets. So THE real question is this. Did these gods say they were messengers of god or that they were god . Or did the inhabients of earth Praise them as gods on first contact IF they said they created us and we started as slaves to our creaters. Do we as a world Honer flesh as god and our masters. If They return. Or were they good to us and left because of the coming flood,and left some behind who did use religion to control us.

 

[mattpegher]

Religion is like teaching physics to a 6 year old. The average man's ability to understand the concepts has improved over the last 6 thousand years. First it was all myth and no concepts. Each scholar/prophet had to explain what are in essence metaphysical, moral and ethical concepts in a language that the average man could understand. Many early thinkers chose not to try and reach the masses and many of the prophets were not educated so the interpret things in very simple terms. Now whether they were just men who perceived the concepts of the metaphysical and ethical argument or were divinely urged doesn't matter. They certainly could not stand up and have philosophical discussions with their followers. They had to teach through stories.
Next to assume that without written record any human could qoute another years later without some alteration is unrealistic. So all the words in any religious text are the words of man not god. To claim divine guidance is the first sign of mental illness and cannot be objectively verified so which prophet to believe becomes difficult. Many religious texts have been discarded by one sect or another and this has been directed by men.

Luckily as I see it most of the modern religions are maturing as they age, they are leaving behind much of the overt human manipulation of the doctrine. This may be due to an increasing ability for man to understand the concepts or increasing education or just the influence of science to show the world as holding fewer mysteries as nonce thought.

I doubt the day will come when the average person will contemplate the metaphysical constructs but I am sure that most will be aware they exist.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Your right and your wrong. The angels gods that talked to men in earlist times . There is some really good proof out there in so far as to how you as an individual will except earliest scrollets and tablets. So THE real question is this. Did these gods say they were messengers of god or that they were god . Or did the inhabients of earth Praise them as gods on first contact IF they said they created us and we started as slaves to our creaters. Do we as a world Honer flesh as god and our masters. If They return. Or were they good to us and left because of the coming flood,and left some behind who did use religion to control us.

Drugs are bad, mmmkay.

 

[HeXen]

I believe in keeping an open mind about everything. Firm beliefs only do one thing, close your mind to any contradictions.
thats why believers get so verbaly violent about contradictions to what they believe. They already closed their mind and may be missing out on potential truth or being enlightened in a different way.

 

[mattpegher]

I believe in keeping an open mind about everything. Firm beliefs only do one thing, close your mind to any contradictions.
thats why believers get so verbaly violent about contradictions to what they believe. They already closed their mind and may be missing out on potential truth or being enlightened in a different way.

QFT

 

[Paul98]

Religion: when reality and facts don't matter lol

 

[BoomerD]

Yes. I'm a devout Loafer.

Hard work is now against my religion...

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

I believe in God. No I'm not crazy. I've seen too much crazy unexplainable stuff to not believe.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I believe in God. No I'm not crazy. I've seen too much crazy unexplainable stuff to not believe.

I grew up Pentecostal. The mind is a powerful thing.

 

[Paul98]

I believe in God. No I'm not crazy. I've seen too much crazy unexplainable stuff to not believe.

LOL I love. I can't explain it there for it must be god.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

LOL I love. I can't explain it there for it must be god.

I felt God touched my life when I was at my lowest point. I was an addict and in a downward spiral. After that day I just knew that it was over. I've been walking the line for over 11 years.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I felt God touched my life when I was at my lowest point. I was an addict and in a downward spiral. After that day I just knew that it was over. I've been walking the line for over 11 years.

I'm glad you found what you needed to ditch addiction. No easy feat, a lifelong battle. :thumbsup: But, it's not for everyone.

 

[Onceler]

Religion: when reality and facts don't matter lol

What facts are you talking about? Evolution? Of course there is evolution, God does not make anything from scratch He builds on what is available at the time. Darwin was not the first to introduce evolution but he became famous for it because his was an attack on religion.

 

[Nik]

I'm glad you found what you needed to ditch addiction. No easy feat, a lifelong battle. :thumbsup: But, it's not for everyone.

Misplaced faith.

It wasn't "god" that got him out of his slump. It was his own efforts, plain and simple. Using "god" to project success onto unfairly takes credit away from the efforts of people who, you know, ACTUALLY EXIST.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Misplaced faith.

It wasn't "god" that got him out of his slump. It was his own efforts, plain and simple. Using "god" to project success onto unfairly takes credit away from the efforts of people who, you know, ACTUALLY EXIST.

Hey man, I'm with you on that, but overcoming addiction isn't something you can do alone. If the FSP, or "God", or Allah, or ______ helps you do it, that's fine...just don't get all crazy and make everyone you meet a religion sandwich to force feed them with.

 

[mattpegher]

Hey man, I'm with you on that, but overcoming addiction isn't something you can do alone. If the FSP, or "God", or Allah, or ______ helps you do it, that's fine...just don't get all crazy and make everyone you meet a religion sandwich to force feed them with.

This example serves to highlight the concept of causation of ethics. What is the nature of morals and ethics if there exists no soul. Without spirituality why should one avoid hurting others, especially if there is no worldly punishment. In this case, the person chooses between pleasure and pain. Immediate and prolonged gratification. What value does one place on others if they are simply meat bags. If animals have no soul, what is to prevent one from torturing them. Right and wrong are difficult concepts.

 

[ch33zw1z]

This example serves to highlight the concept of causation of ethics. What is the nature of morals and ethics if there exists no soul. Without spirituality why should one avoid hurting others, especially if there is no worldly punishment. In this case, the person chooses between pleasure and pain. Immediate and prolonged gratification. What value does one place on others if they are simply meat bags. If animals have no soul, what is to prevent one from torturing them. Right and wrong are difficult concepts.

You require something spiritual to guide your common sense?

 

[Jeff7]

This example serves to highlight the concept of causation of ethics. What is the nature of morals and ethics if there exists no soul. Without spirituality why should one avoid hurting others, especially if there is no worldly punishment. In this case, the person chooses between pleasure and pain. Immediate and prolonged gratification. What value does one place on others if they are simply meat bags. If animals have no soul, what is to prevent one from torturing them. Right and wrong are difficult concepts.

Why is a "soul" a requirement for any of this?
Here's a reason for an ethical code:
- I don't want other people to inflict harm on me, so I try to avoid harming others.
- Ethical codes help enable a stable society, which can help to reduce stress by satisfying our basic needs, thus allowing for a feeling of wellbeing and contentment.

No need for any magical "soul" thing, just simple pragmatism for us charming meatbags.

 

[mk]

This example serves to highlight the concept of causation of ethics. What is the nature of morals and ethics if there exists no soul. Without spirituality why should one avoid hurting others, especially if there is no worldly punishment. In this case, the person chooses between pleasure and pain. Immediate and prolonged gratification. What value does one place on others if they are simply meat bags. If animals have no soul, what is to prevent one from torturing them. Right and wrong are difficult concepts.

Why is a "soul" a requirement for any of this?
Here's a reason for an ethical code:
- I don't want other people to inflict harm on me, so I try to avoid harming others.
- Ethical codes help enable a stable society, which can help to reduce stress by satisfying our basic needs, thus allowing for a feeling of wellbeing and contentment.

No need for any magical "soul" thing, just simple pragmatism for us charming meatbags.

Empathy?