ARE YOU READY FOR SOME FOOTBALL! official NFL week 1 thread

[Retro Rob]

Oh, here we go again! Please Rob, let us know what bible verse tells us it is wrong to draft gay players, again.

You know, if you've been following my posts in the NFL thread(s), damn well I didn't oppose the Sam pick. 🙄

Secondly, since you obviously lack reading comprehension skills, I was calling him on complaining about "PR bullshit" for advancing the firing of Rice, when this same PR helped get a gay player drafted who otherwise wouldn't have been picked.

Reading...its fundamental.

 

[smackababy]

You know, if you've been following my posts in the NFL thread(s), damn well I didn't oppose the Sam pick. 🙄

Secondly, since you obviously lack reading comprehension skills, I was calling him on complaining about "PR bullshit" for advancing the firing of Rice, when this same PR helped get a gay player drafted who otherwise wouldn't have been picked.

Reading...its fundamental.

Please, do show me where "gay pr" helped Michael Sam get picked. And, how many people actually knew who Michael Sam was BEFORE the 7th round of the draft? He was a decent enough player, who had a terrible combine showing, that was given a chance with a throwaway pick. He didn't prove to be good enough in the log jam that was St. Louis' D Line.

He was already being looked at as a undrafted FA, if reports are accurate, with other teams unwiling to draft him even in the 7th. St. Louis did.

If you really think this was because "omg! a gay, let's draft him!" was something that came up on their draft board, you're not too bright. The NFL is far more concerned with winning than PR in 99% of the cases. And, that has zero to do with Rice or his suspension.

 

[dougp]

How would you change the rules? Unless you're prepared to say defenseless receivers can't be hit, any rule restricting hits on the torso without the helmet is going to be a disaster to enforce. He didn't launch himself, didn't leave his feet, didn't use his helmet, didn't hit anywhere near the neck/head or knees - I'm not sure what else you can put into rules.

Thanks for playing catch-up to a fully formed idea.

He left his feet to slam him down. When will people understand that you don't have to hit the helmet or pads area to cause serious damage? It was a stupid fucking hit, and the dude was defenseless, period.

 

[Retro Rob]

Please, do show me where "gay pr" helped Michael Sam get picked. And, how many people actually knew who Michael Sam was BEFORE the 7th round of the draft? He was a decent enough player, who had a terrible combine showing, that was given a chance with a throwaway pick. He didn't prove to be good enough in the log jam that was St. Louis' D Line.

He was already being looked at as a undrafted FA, if reports are accurate, with other teams unwiling to draft him even in the 7th. St. Louis did.

If you really think this was because "omg! a gay, let's draft him!" was something that came up on their draft board, you're not too bright. The NFL is far more concerned with winning than PR in 99% of the cases. And, that has zero to do with Rice or his suspension.

Lol the nfl called teams to sign Sam. You're a fool.

 

[Jimzz]

Lol the nfl called teams to sign Sam. You're a fool.

Citation needed


I've seen the rumors of this and usually posting from anti-gay bigots but no facts to support it.

 

[smackababy]

Citation needed

Goodel book 2 verse 6...

 

[Retro Rob]

Citation needed


I've seen the rumors of this and usually posting from anti-gay bigots but no facts to support it.

What bigot leaked it? Citation needed.

 

[Retro Rob]

Goodel book 2 verse 6...

It's totally believable. The league changed its domestic abuse suspension for PR reasons, they suspended and the ravens fired rice for the same reason -- any person who follows the NFL KNOWS Sam isn't on Dallas for purely football reasons.

Get your head out of the sand.

 

[ghost recon88]

Redskins just need to start Cousins already and face up to the fact that RG3 is a injury-prone bust.

 

[smackababy]

Redskins just need to start Cousins already and face up to the fact that RG3 is a injury-prone bust.

Never give up on RG 0 and 3! - says every Cowboys fan.

 

[Phoenix86]

And the NFL has suspended Rice indefinitely. Guess he isn't coming to the Cowboys. =(

So, organize and finance a dog fighting ring, stabbing two guys after a party, killing your friend while driving drunk, and shooting an arena football player in the head are all acceptable, but punching your wife after she hits you, nope.


I suppose I should note, I am not certain if Aaron Hernandez has been suspended from the league. I don't remember it happening, but it could have.

You are being EXTREMELY unfair. They are changing the rules to prevent this type of gap in punishments vs. crime. You can't throw the past in their face when the past is the justification for the change.

There's a line in the sand, you can compare things before it, or after, but not before and after.

 

[smackababy]

It's totally believable. The league changed its domestic abuse suspension for PR reasons, they suspended and the ravens fired rice for the same reason -- any person who follows the NFL KNOWS Sam isn't on Dallas for purely football reasons.

Get your head out of the sand.

So, then why is Sam on Dallas again? I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact their defense was the worst in the league last year, their pass rush was non existent, and they didn't contact not only the UDFA that made it over Sam, but a few other D linemen cut from other teams (Oakland is the one I can think of, but there is another). You're right! Jerry didn't say "Man, we need something, anything, different on defense", rather he said "Let's bring us in a gay to have people love us even more, despite that we are America's team!"

 

[smackababy]

You are being EXTREMELY unfair. They are changing the rules to prevent this type of gap in punishments vs. crime. You can't throw the past in their face when the past is the justification for the change.

There's a line in the sand, you can compare things before it, or after, but not before and after.

Is there an NFL policy on murder? Because, last I checked, killing someone (or someones) is worse than punching your girlfriend. Two instances of someone either killing a person or allegedly killing a person have gone unpunished and one is a 10 game suspension. I'm sorry if the NFL seems rather light on taking the lives of other people.

 

[Ban Bot]

wtf? Michael Sam was SEC defensive player of the year.

Jackson Jeffcoat had similar honors (conference DPoY, All American, etc.) and wasn't drafted. Heisman winners don't always get drafted high, either. College and the NFL are different games. Getting drafted in the NFL is very much about how well they think your game translates. In regards to Sam he is pretty one dimensional and not very quick or explosive. He has also shown to have a motor and be coachable. He may find a place in the NFL if his technique can continue to mature. The Rams were a bad fit as they were loaded on the Dline and due to Sam's size (smaller) he isn't a good fit for a 4-3. He may be a better 3-4 situational pass rushing OLB, but his lack of speed in coverage would be an issue. He is a tweener. If he was 30lbs more muscular or 0.15 seconds quicker he would fit a more clearly defined place in the NFL.

 

[angminas]

My thoughts on Broncos vs. Colts, especially in the context of the Broncos probably meeting the Seahawks in the Super Bowl again, and assuming the Colts and Packers are about equal in strength:

Denver playcalling was lackluster. Too many passes into too much coverage. Too many near interceptions. Too many times sending Montee Ball right into the lions' den, even after it was clear that wasn't working. (Ball actually did well...his poor YPA was not his fault.) We copied the Percy Harvin sweep, and it did well, but we only ran it once. Why? Seahawk playcalling is more creative and makes better use of their roster.

Seahawks play with a lot more fire, which multiplies their talent edge.

Broncos won the turnover battle, but almost didn't. One of our grabs from Luck was very close, and the Colts dropped at least two Manning passes early which probably should have been INTs. One or two of those goes a different way, and the Broncos lose this game, even though the Colts are clearly not as talented.

Manning did finally scramble, and he would have gotten a first down if it hadn't been called back. Even if you just get three yards and slide, even if your QB is 85 years old, I think he has to scramble here and there, or a major threat is removed. A threat which the Colts, Packers, and Seahawks can constantly hold over their opponents' heads.

Basically what it comes down to is, I'm not sold on the Broncos coaching staff. Not against the Seahawks in the big game. Seahawks are more dangerous in too many ways, and the way the Broncos played against the Colts, we would lose again. Maybe not 43-8, but 36-16 looks very realistic.

 

[Retro Rob]

So, then why is Sam on Dallas again? I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact their defense was the worst in the league last year, their pass rush was non existent, and they didn't contact not only the UDFA that made it over Sam, but a few other D linemen cut from other teams (Oakland is the one I can think of, but there is another). You're right! Jerry didn't say "Man, we need something, anything, different on defense", rather he said "Let's bring us in a gay to have people love us even more, despite that we are America's team!"

Strawman. I didn't say PR was the ONLY reason because I think Sam can play, but you mean to tell me a late 7th rounder is allegedly being shopped by the NFL only because he can play?

lol

 

[smackababy]

Jackson Jeffcoat had similar honors (conference DPoY, All American, etc.) and wasn't drafted. Heisman winners don't always get drafted high, either. College and the NFL are different games. Getting drafted in the NFL is very much about how well they think your game translates. In regards to Sam he is pretty one dimensional and not very quick or explosive. He has also shown to have a motor and be coachable. He may find a place in the NFL if his technique can continue to mature. The Rams were a bad fit as they were loaded on the Dline and due to Sam's size (smaller) he isn't a good fit for a 4-3. He may be a better 3-4 situational pass rushing OLB, but his lack of speed in coverage would be an issue. He is a tweener. If he was 30lbs more muscular or 0.15 seconds quicker he would fit a more clearly defined place in the NFL.

But, that is the point though. He actually could fit (with some work) into a specific role player. It wasn't a great fit for the Rams, but the Cowboys could pretty much use anything they can get at the moment, so they are willing to try and coach him for the measly pittance of $100k.

Strawman. I didn't say PR was the ONLY reason because I think Sam can play, but you mean to tell me a late 7th rounder is allegedly being shopped by the NFL only because he can play?

lol

You are the only person alleging this. Please, post some sources that Sam was shopped around by the NFL.

 

[smackababy]

My thoughts on Broncos vs. Colts, especially in the context of the Broncos probably meeting the Seahawks in the Super Bowl again, and assuming the Colts and Packers are about equal in strength:

Denver playcalling was lackluster. Too many passes into too much coverage. Too many near interceptions. Too many times sending Montee Ball right into the lions' den, even after it was clear that wasn't working. (Ball actually did well...his poor YPA was not his fault.) We copied the Percy Harvin sweep, and it did well, but we only ran it once. Why? Seahawk playcalling is more creative and makes better use of their roster.

Seahawks play with a lot more fire, which multiplies their talent edge.

Broncos won the turnover battle, but almost didn't. One of our grabs from Luck was very close, and the Colts dropped at least two Manning passes early which probably should have been INTs. One or two of those goes a different way, and the Broncos lose this game, even though the Colts are clearly not as talented.

Manning did finally scramble, and he would have gotten a first down if it hadn't been called back. Even if you just get three yards and slide, even if your QB is 85 years old, I think he has to scramble here and there, or a major threat is removed. A threat which the Colts, Packers, and Seahawks can constantly hold over their opponents' heads.

Basically what it comes down to is, I'm not sold on the Broncos coaching staff. Not against the Seahawks in the big game. Seahawks are more dangerous in too many ways, and the way the Broncos played against the Colts, we would lose again. Maybe not 43-8, but 36-16 looks very realistic.

For what it's worth, the Seahawks offensive coordinator / play caller is getting a big check soon, otherwise, he is getting a HC job somewhere else. That guy is pretty brilliant at using the tools Seattle has and exploiting the weaknesses displayed by defenses.

 

[smackababy]

Mathis torn Achilles and out for the season. That is rough news for Colts fans.

 

[Imported]

For what it's worth, the Seahawks offensive coordinator / play caller is getting a big check soon, otherwise, he is getting a HC job somewhere else. That guy is pretty brilliant at using the tools Seattle has and exploiting the weaknesses displayed by defenses.

If the Seahawks don't make it to the SB, I expect Bevell to be a HC somewhere (Oakland?). Getting to the SB greatly reduces possibility of a coordinator making the jump.

 

[SunnyD]

If the Seahawks don't make it to the SB, I expect Bevell to be a HC somewhere (Oakland?). Getting to the SB greatly reduces possibility of a coordinator making the jump.

If the Seahawks make it to the SB this year, I expect him to be a HC somewhere. Unlike last year where the HC needy teams didn't want to wait, I'm sure this year if Bevell has one ring on his finger with the possibility of a second any of the needy teams will be more than happy to wait for him to finish up the big game and pay him a boatload of money to be their head coach.

 

[Phoenix86]

Is there an NFL policy on murder? Because, last I checked, killing someone (or someones) is worse than punching your girlfriend. Two instances of someone either killing a person or allegedly killing a person have gone unpunished and one is a 10 game suspension. I'm sorry if the NFL seems rather light on taking the lives of other people.

I didn't say your evaluation of the punishments was bad. I said it's unfair to compare old punishments when they accept their system is broken and they are making changes.

You're pointing out flaws in a system NO ONE says was working (at least no on is fighting to save). Then, you compare the VERY RECENT changes to decisions made in the past, under the known-broken system.

There will be additional changes over the off-season, but I'm betting the player's association is asking them to wait for sweeping changes. If not, you can be sure they will get their say in during the off-season and we'll see more changes because of that.

 

[edro]

Why did Peyton go to 88 Demaryius Thomas 3 times in a row on that goaline series?
That was horrendous.

 

[smackababy]

I didn't say your evaluation of the punishments was bad. I said it's unfair to compare old punishments when they accept their system is broken and they are making changes.

You're pointing out flaws in a system NO ONE says was working (at least no on is fighting to save). Then, you compare the VERY RECENT changes to decisions made in the past, under the known-broken system.

There will be additional changes over the off-season, but I'm betting the player's association is asking them to wait for sweeping changes. If not, you can be sure they will get their say in during the off-season and we'll see more changes because of that.

Are they going to go back and suspend players already punished under these new policies?

Josh Brent was very recent, and he actually killed someone. 10 games (and time served) for killing someone is rather light compared to an indefinite suspension for punching your girlfriend.

They need to handle situations like the PED. Sure, you can "accidentally" use one of the banned substances, but that is your own fault. Look at Mathis; he claims he was trying to get his wife pregnant and used one of the banned substances. NFL said "oh well, first time, 4 games." Why wouldn't they do that with nearly every other offense?

Also, reports are saying the NFL actually did see the elevator video prior to TMZ leaking it. Of course, they didn't do anything until the public gained knowledge.

 

[SP33Demon]

wtf? Michael Sam was SEC defensive player of the year.

Yup and soon he'll be employee of the year at Hardees.