Siddhartha
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Originally posted by: MrPhelps
I just was wondering with all the talk about ru486 and stuff.
I wish the original was a intentional typo.
If I were a woman I would want to have the final say over my body.
PPl need to realize that u dont kill anybody in an abortion u merely remove a few cells. After all abortions are only done until the 5th week and there is nothing more than some cells after 5 weeks. Or do u also feel guilty when u set a foot on the floor because u might be killing thou´sands of bacteria or even insects - whoa
Anyway many of u ppl are total hypocrits: Support cloning and genetic research on humans and human cells, but be against abortion, how stupid is that?
RU-486 is going to make anti-choicers irrelevant.
Even if they manage to implement their prohibitionist laws, they would have no chance of enforcing them when all you need is a black-market pill.
Geekbabe
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I always thought it best to mind my business when it came to other people's reproductive choices
Amused
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What are you? The sex police who will ensure that women pay for their irresponsibility?
She doesn't WANT a baby. To force her to keep a child to term is just that, against her will. Humans have not had sex solely for procreation for all of recorded history. I don't expect them to start now.
It's her body, her responsibility, her choice. I have a hell of a lot more respect for a woman who makes a mistake, knows she cannot afford to raise the child, knows that having the child will keep her from making more of herself and aborts than I have for a woman that keeps the kid and lives off the public tit.
So, she made a mistake... Why compound it and end up with another welfare queen with another unwanted, neglected child?
How about this? I say that women who are raped should be forced to birth their babies, nurse and ween them, and then the holy should be allowed to stone the women.
You know, there are people who don't support abortions even if a woman is raped...
Amused
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An interesting Scientific American article that shows a compelling correlation between the legalization of abortion in 1973, and the most dramatic drop in crime in history 18-20 years later:
The Aborted Crime Wave?
The Aborted Crime Wave?
Yeah, if a girl gets pregnant, we should force her to have the baby. Then, if she neglects the child she doesn't want and beats it and starves it, good. At least she had the baby.
Chaotic42
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- Jun 15, 2001
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I was adopted out of a situation like this. Poor, stupid, drug addicted mother. She had me, even though she knew she couldn't afford to and I was adopted. If she had an abortion, I wouldn't be here now. Maybe that's why I feel so strongly about adoption over abortion.
It takes two to tango. If the woman decides she wants to have sex, pregnancy is one of the consequences of that choice that she made. The analogy you came up with (which I've read before on some pro-abortion paper from the 70's) doesn't hold up in this case.
True, but part of the problem is that anti-choice morons also hate the idea of proper, frank sex education (especially with regard to contraception) for kids. They just say "Don't do it until you're married" to a bunch of teens who are *holds fingers very close together* this far from drowning in their own hormones. News flash: they're gonna have sex no matter what you tell them so they might as well be aware of what steps to take to prevent pregnancy.
Ya know what else? Sometimes pregnancy occurs even when both parties are adults and are using contraception. By your logic, they should just suck it up and have the kid because this was "one fo the consequences of the choice they made to have sex". That is complete and utter bullsh*t. Sex is an enjoyable thing and there's nothing wrong or shameful or immoral about it when it's not expressly for procreation.
being somewhat catholic, i tend to think that the right thing to do would to have the child then give it up for adoption. However, this was before i started having a "relationship" with my boyfriend. Eventhough I am on the pill, i get freaked out sometimes if my cycle is not EXACTLY on time. I realize now that I would have NO IDEA what i would do if i ended up in this situation. I am 19. I can't take care of a child. And what happens after nine months of having a life inside of you and then giving it up? This is a horrible choice that a woman has to make. I say woman but i also mean that the partner(if there is one) should be involved in the decession as well.
Exactly. This is one of the most painful decisions a woman and (hopefully, if he didn't split) her partner will ever have to make. Which is precisely why self-righteous anti-choice morons should mind their own business. :|
Well, I'm not against sex education at all.
In other words, we can kill people, as long as we get to have our fun?
Good for you, but you're in the minority with regard to pro-lifers.
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Ya know what else? Sometimes pregnancy occurs even when both parties are adults and are using contraception. By your logic, they should just suck it up and have the kid because this was "one fo the consequences of the choice they made to have sex". That is complete and utter bullsh*t. Sex is an enjoyable thing and there's nothing wrong or shameful or immoral about it when it's not expressly for procreation.
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Oh, right. That's exactly what I said. "F*ck like bunnies without a care in the world. We'll kill your baby for you if you manage to make one, and then you can get right back to the fornication." Yeah, we're all just about that flip with regard to this issue. Idiot.
Originally posted by: Amused
What are you? The sex police who will ensure that women pay for their irresponsibility?
She doesn't WANT a baby. To force her to keep a child to term is just that, against her will. Humans have not had sex solely for procreation for all of recorded history. I don't expect them to start now.
It's her body, her responsibility, her choice. I have a hell of a lot more respect for a woman who makes a mistake, knows she cannot afford to raise the child, knows that having the child will keep her from making more of herself and aborts than I have for a woman that keeps the kid and lives off the public tit.
So, she made a mistake... Why compound it and end up with another welfare queen with another unwanted, neglected child?
first off i never said anything about being the sex police.. i simply stated my opinion as you did so back off... I'm not out to punish women who make irresponsible decisions... but I am out to encourage everybody to make responsible ones and to be held responsible for the decisions they make.. thats life... I've made plenty of mistakes in life but i sure as hell didnt have a way out of them.. i had to take responsibility for them and suck it up... it builds character anyways....
second off.. have you ever heard of adoption? yeah.. it exists... there are plenty of married couples out there who can't reproduce and are dying to have their own children.... .. she knows she can give up the child for adoption once its born.. but she doesnt want to let it go so she kills it instead.. . that is sad... "if i cant take care of the baby nobody can."
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