Are you guys really going to back another war based on trumped up charges?

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Obama is not going to war over this without some new circumstance. Certainly nothing close to what we've seen now, won't happen.
 

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Yes, theres something profound about posting a link with no context. I posted a link in sandeagles thread to the whole hour and a half webcast I watched a significant portion to see what it was all about, and I explained what was going on. But becoming informed is superficial in bizzaro world. That holds with the theme where sanctions are inhumane but Israel "has no roots" and "must be eliminated" is just fine.
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Yes there is something so much better about Haybasusa rider posting, commenting on, and posting on links only Haybasusa claims have no contex. And then to really guild the arrogance, Haybasusa fails to rebut the points others post as he dismisses other links he disagrees with the self serving comment of no contex.

Ah but when Haybasusa talks about his threads, he puffs himself up as a legend in his own mind, as he claims, "I posted a link in sandeagles thread to the whole hour and a half webcast I watched a significant portion to see what it was all about, and I explained what was going on."----or so you claim, according to a jury of one, namely you Haybasusa. I can't comment on that one claim, Hayabusa because I have not seen your post, but in general and IMHO, I find most of your posts as poor and clueless defenses for existing and failed US foreign policy conventional lack of wisdom.

But then you really jump the shark, in saying, "That holds with the theme where sanctions are inhumane but Israel "has no roots" and "must be eliminated" is just fine" Which is simply a no contect propaganda cheap shot on irrelevant steroids on your part. As no one I know of in this thread has advanced the position that Israel has no roots or must be eliminated. But when Israel and the USA push for economic embargo on Iran, yes there should be a damn good reason with proof not based on mere suspicion.
 

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Yes there is something so much better about Haybasusa rider posting, commenting on, and posting on links only Haybasusa claims have no contex. And then to really guild the arrogance, Haybasusa fails to rebut the points others post as he dismisses other links he disagrees with the self serving comment of no contex.

Ah but when Haybasusa talks about his threads, he puffs himself up as a legend in his own mind, as he claims, "I posted a link in sandeagles thread to the whole hour and a half webcast I watched a significant portion to see what it was all about, and I explained what was going on."----or so you claim, according to a jury of one, namely you Haybasusa. I can't comment on that one claim, Hayabusa because I have not seen your post, but in general and IMHO, I find most of your posts as poor and clueless defenses for existing and failed US foreign policy conventional lack of wisdom.

But then you really jump the shark, in saying, "That holds with the theme where sanctions are inhumane but Israel "has no roots" and "must be eliminated" is just fine" Which is simply a no contect propaganda cheap shot on irrelevant steroids on your part. As no one I know of in this thread has advanced the position that Israel has no roots or must be eliminated. But when Israel and the USA push for economic embargo on Iran, yes there should be a damn good reason with proof not based on mere suspicion.

I linked to the entire talk, not just a snippet. I however am glad you find your failed performance superior. When you went on and on about the IAEA. Remember when you refused to acknowledge they didn't accuse Saddam of having a nuclear program? It doesn't take me to understand reality.
 

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I linked to the entire talk, not just a snippet. I however am glad you find your failed performance superior. When you went on and on about the IAEA. Remember when you refused to acknowledge they didn't accuse Saddam of having a nuclear program? It doesn't take me to understand reality.
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As a side point, hayabusa, you may think the IAEA had some cred in Iraq, but surely even you can't defend current IAEA policy in Iran.

As not only does the IAEA fail to state there is no real credible evidence that Iran is enriching U235 past 20%, the IAEA is sharing their information on Iran with Israel. When Israel, because it never signed the NPT, should be personna non grata with the IAEA.

Anyone who argues the IAEA is unbiased has some tall explaining to do.

As for I will settle for the IAEA putting their cred on the line and saying this is what we now know for sure about Iran and this is what we don't know in terms of mere speculation. Honest intel sources do that, dishonest sources like the IAEA do not.
 
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As a side point, hayabusa, you may think the IAEA had some cred in Iraq, but surely even you can't defend current IAEA policy in Iran.

As not only does the IAEA fail to state there is no real credible evidence that Iran is enriching U235 past 20%, the IAEA is sharing their information on Iran with Israel. When Israel, because it never signed the NPT, should be personna non grata with the IAEA.

Anyone who argues the IAEA is unbiased has some tall explaining to do.

As for I will settle for the IAEA putting their cred on the line and saying this is what we now know for sure about Iran and this is what we don't know in terms of mere speculation. Honest intel sources do that, dishonest sources like the IAEA do not.

The IAEA and the UN leaders have not been allowed the access to sites to determine the state of nuclear development, but Iran is doing cleanup there. Iran's obstruction is the core issue. Precisely what false claims (cite them). What information is being shared and how (cite it). Would you like me to cite Immadingbats Holocaust views to compare veracity? Perhaps you deny that too? I backed up statements about the IAEA and Iraq. You back up where the IAEA has come out and said there are sufficient quantities of 20+% to construct a bomb. The credibility of the IAEA vs. Immalittleteapot? Well since you choose the latter don't worry. He says Israel can't strike. Iran is invulnerable. You can sleep soundly.
 
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As I've said before no need for troops, Arab Spring taught us we only need to send some of the many unemployed phones with secure internet access and a few Facebook & twitter accounts.