Are you guys really going to back another war based on trumped up charges?

[airdata]

It's already been proven that Iran lacks the nuclear capabilities the media and president are claiming they have...

Sounds familiar, doesn't it?

Does Yellow Cake ring a bell?

Was Iraq really so long ago that you've all forgotten that the government is capable of building a war on lies?

I'm really having trouble comprehending how the american people can be taken for a ride w\ the war in iraq and the total lack of WMD and sit around and nod their heads as yet another country is chosen to be the next victim of invasion based on lies and/or bad information.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LTdx1nPu3k

In case you haven't watched it, this video speaks volumes. War is war whether or not you pre plan it for a decade or if you lie and make up stories in order to trick your population into thinking it's a good idea.

Lying to your population is simply a horrible decision and really shows you what the people in power think of the average citizen.

 

[bfdd]

I do not support a war with Iran. IMO, I would consider it an act against the American people itself.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Didn't we do this already? Where I said that two different situations can't be directly held equivalent? I'm sure we did.

Clue- Iran is one country, Iraq is another. The problems are different. The players are too. It's being handled completely differently that Iraq. The western world is getting pisses at Iran's leadership and the bald faced deception of Bush isn't present. The refusal of Iran to reach any real agreement is. The capability of enrichment isn't a fantasy it exists. Please don't tell us that a raven is like a writing desk.

 

[cybrsage]

We should simply arm the pro democracy faction and the pro Shah faction. They two came to an agreement to create a Constitutional Monarchy, like that of the UK, so they are effectively the same faction now - and quite popular in Iran.

EDIT: If I was Iram I would just leave the NPT and then all the legal problems go away.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I do not support a war with Iran. IMO, I would consider it an act against the American people itself.

That's good because there isn't going to be one unless Iran attacks. Limited engagement is possible to prevent the acquisition of nukes if Iran utterly refuses to take avenues offered to it for legitimate power generation, but that's not an Iraq War by any stretch.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

We should simply arm the pro democracy faction and the pro Shah faction. They two came to an agreement to create a Constitutional Monarchy, like that of the UK, so they are effectively the same faction now - and quite popular in Iran.

EDIT: If I was Iraq I would just leave the NPT and then all the legal problems go away.

I think you mean Iran in your edit.

They can leave but it takes a year to exit the agreement I believe. At that point we all know the score and Iran becomes a pariah. That's why they aren't doing it.

 

[bfdd]

That's good because there isn't going to be one unless Iran attacks. Limited engagement is possible to prevent the acquisition of nukes if Iran utterly refuses to take avenues offered to it for legitimate power generation, but that's not an Iraq War by any stretch.

We don't have inspectors, China and Russia don't, Israel has all but admitted they want to use their son Iran they don t have inspectors. IMO this is all a bogus double standard and if you aren't willing to lead by example the you re no leader at all. Iran could be a danger, but I would rather do business from a far and keep things kosher than be assholes who point bombs at each other.

 

[cybrsage]

I think you mean Iran in your edit.

They can leave but it takes a year to exit the agreement I believe. At that point we all know the score and Iran becomes a pariah. That's why they aren't doing it.

I did, corrected it, thanks. I did not realize it takes that long to leave it...though I would still do it if I was them because had they done so years ago this would already be over.

 

[Icepick]

That's good because there isn't going to be one unless Iran attacks. Limited engagement is possible to prevent the acquisition of nukes if Iran utterly refuses to take avenues offered to it for legitimate power generation, but that's not an Iraq War by any stretch.

There is a lot of profit to be made in times of war. With our military presence in Iraq dwindling we could use another conflict to boost profits for our military industrial complex.

 

[cybrsage]

We don't have inspectors, China and Russia don't, Israel has all but admitted they want to use their son Iran they don t have inspectors. IMO this is all a bogus double standard and if you aren't willing to lead by example the you re no leader at all. Iran could be a danger, but I would rather do business from a far and keep things kosher than be assholes who point bombs at each other.

Israel is not a signatory to the NPT. The NPT also says those who already have nuclear weapons are allowed to keep them but not allowed to help others obtain them.

 

[Genx87]

Like on most Bush policies Obama likes to double down.

 

[yllus]

I don't even think that Republicans who criticize Obama for "not stopping Iran" are actually in favour of war.

Everyone with a brain knows that it's ultimately impossible to stop a state from getting nuclear weapons if they've decided they want to. Nothing short of a full scale invasion to depose their rulers would work. And if the U.S. found Iraq's population of 32 million hard to handle, how do they propose handling Iran and its 75 million citizens?

 

[Kadarin]

Those of us who lived through the Iran hostage crisis in '79-'81 really fucking hate Iran.

 

[bfdd]

Israel is not a signatory to the NPT. The NPT also says those who already have nuclear weapons are allowed to keep them but not allowed to help others obtain them.

I know, it's on of the reasons I wish we would cut ties with Israel. I know that doesn't fly with you, but I don't really care. Israel is just as much a problem as Iran. If Israel likes American toys and money they can apply for statehood and adopt our Constitution. If not we should hold them at arms length just like all the other relgiously driven nations in the ME.

 

[airdata]

Different countries, same story.

They have WMD! Let's bomb them and invade them! Then we'll wait a year or 2 for people to prove there were no WMD at all and that false information was used to terrorize the network news watching lemmings of the united states into thinking we had to do it.

 

[Agent11]

The reason for the double standard is the level of crazy. For example you may feel perfectly comfortable with your wife holding a loaded fire arm next to you but a schizo crackwhore, not so much.

 

[airdata]

For the pro George Zimmerman people whom I have to assume are on team " USA, FUCK YEA! BOMB EM! " Iran is innocent until proven guilty, right?

 

[bfdd]

For the pro George Zimmerman people whom I have to assume are on team " USA, FUCK YEA! BOMB EM! " Iran is innocent until proven guilty, right?

Absolutely they are and it's insane that we would demand so much out of a country yet not put ourselves to the same standard. It is absolutely UN AMERICAN to do so. Everyone clamoring for us to be hard on Iran I hope you realize that.

 

[Lemon law]

The reason for the double standard is the level of crazy. For example you may feel perfectly comfortable with your wife holding a loaded fire arm next to you but a schizo crackwhore, not so much.

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1. There is zero evidence Iran has enriched Uranium beyond the 20% needed for nuclear reactors. And zero evidence even intends to obtain nuclear weapon capability.

2. Intel officials inside Israel have publically stated Iran is acting very rationally. After all, any nation has a RIGHT to develop nuclear energy for peace time power generation.

3. In terms of the crack whore holding weapons, that best describes Israel. Other than one defensive war against Iraq, Iran has started zero wars of conquest against its neighbors anytime in its history. Something we can't state about Israel as they have attacked Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Jordon, Lebanon, and their assassination squads are still active in many other nations in and past and still now. And Israel still holds some three plus million Palestinians within their borders and grant them no human rights inside the very nation of their birth. In short 40% of Israel's population.

 

[xj0hnx]

For the pro George Zimmerman people whom I have to assume are on team " USA, FUCK YEA! BOMB EM! " Iran is innocent until proven guilty, right?

You seriously are a whole new level of stupid. Comparing the two shows that you are vacant of any level intelligence.

 

[airdata]

Why doesn't this discussion warrant the attention of the Trayvon martin thread?

I would think that people would care enough about their country and servicemen to have an adult discussion on the topic of lying in order to goto war.

 

[zanejohnson]

yep saw this coming years ago.

 

[airdata]

This message is hidden because xj0hnx is on your ignore list.

Sorry bud.. you're still on time out since you have nothing to contribute to any thread you post in.

$10 says if I view your post it's a simple statement of ignorance.

 

[woolfe9999]

What war? It's highly unlikely that there will even be airstrikes, let alone a boots on the ground occupation like we had in Iraq.

 

[sm625]

Are we ready for another war? HELLS YEAH. We are the stupid dumbed down sheeple, and we serve our bankster masters well. We get on our hands and knees and suck that bankster schnoz. Then we go to the polls and vote for 4 more years of Obomney, because a vote for a 3rd party is just a wasted vote!

My gods, the pure stupidity we allow to be implanted into our brains totally unfiltered... So much of what the average person thinks and knows is so completely wrong it is almost comical. But thats what you get from a nation raised on elitist controlled media... We are ready for Brawndo.