I for it under certain circumstances. Such as serial killers, deliberate acts of cold blooded murder where there is no question about guilt, etc
dabud
Yes it has been proven they were innocent it is on of the NE states I forget which that has put a moratorium on the death penalty.
I saw the interview with the state govener on TV.
Of the 300 on death row 30 were PROVEN INNNOCENT before they were killed so yes technically these people lived but if you are dumb enough to think that innocents don't die and not just the odd one thats amazing
Also, it doesn't matter if what color they are its just that again according to this state of the 300 on death row 100 were blacks given the death penalty by ALL white juries not really a sentacing by your peers.
I'm sorry you can't beleive it but take the blinders off and you may
actually find out what the justice systems actually do.
Again you are statistically way incorrect about recitivism.
Murders are seldom recitivists usually murders are one time crimes of passion that despite the BS approach that a death penalty sentance would actually make them think twice is laughable.
It might stop you gas station robber from pulling the trigger but junkies and scorn lovers are out of their heads.
:Q
Yes it has been proven they were innocent it is on of the NE states I forget which that has put a moratorium on the death penalty.
I saw the interview with the state govener on TV.
Of the 300 on death row 30 were PROVEN INNNOCENT before they were killed so yes technically these people lived but if you are dumb enough to think that innocents don't die and not just the odd one thats amazing
Also, it doesn't matter if what color they are its just that again according to this state of the 300 on death row 100 were blacks given the death penalty by ALL white juries not really a sentacing by your peers.
I'm sorry you can't beleive it but take the blinders off and you may
actually find out what the justice systems actually do.
Again you are statistically way incorrect about recitivism.
Murders are seldom recitivists usually murders are one time crimes of passion that despite the BS approach that a death penalty sentance would actually make them think twice is laughable.
It might stop you gas station robber from pulling the trigger but junkies and scorn lovers are out of their heads.
:Q
Against. I would feel differently if there was more intervention for children today to steer them in the right direction when they start to go off track, and free mental health would also help. I could only see using the death penalty for cases where DNA evidence is avalible, and I also think it should be televised, if you believe in sentencing someone to die you should have no problem watching it.
Well, since mistakes don't happen, according to some of you, I will say I am for it. But, if it is found that an innocent man was executed, the prosecutor who asked for the death penalty should have to stand capital murder charges. Since mistakes don't happen, that shouldn't be too much to ask
To deny the race thing is to deny the facts. .
Is that what you want to do? or do you want the truth about who actually gets killed in states with the death penalty?
I thought he wanted to know why I would be against it. I'm not a visible minority but if statitically I noted that my race was being killed comparatively at a much higher rate than others. pause
If I ignore those facts then as the old saying goes "then the day was they came for me but there was no-one left to speak out for me . . "
Its broken and ignoring it isn't fixing it.
Is that what you want to do? or do you want the truth about who actually gets killed in states with the death penalty?
I thought he wanted to know why I would be against it. I'm not a visible minority but if statitically I noted that my race was being killed comparatively at a much higher rate than others. pause
If I ignore those facts then as the old saying goes "then the day was they came for me but there was no-one left to speak out for me . . "
Its broken and ignoring it isn't fixing it.
dabuddha
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<< Of the 300 on death row 30 were PROVEN INNNOCENT before they were killed so yes technically these people lived but if you are dumb enough to think that innocents don't die and not just the odd one thats amazing >>
I'm more amazed you don't realize by those people being proven innocent, it shows that the system does work. They were NOT executed, which is the point.
By you're reasoning, there should never be risks taken at all. We shouldn't leave our houses. We shouldn't attempt to build the international space station or even go into outer space at all. We'd still be sitting around campfires going ooga booga if we didn't take risks. And most murderers are not habilitated.
<< Again you are statistically way incorrect about recitivism. >>
It's spelled recidivism btw. And no I am not incorrect about my statistics. I've done plenty of research into this for one of my classes and I'd like to see your statistics that show im wrong. If I am, then I'll admit it. Till then, you shouldn't try to claim stats that don't exist. And most murderers are repeat offenders. Yes there are crimes of passion where it was a one time thing, but those are rare as well. And those people usually don't go to death row. They plead temporary insanity in most cases and don't get the death penalty. The ones on death row are repeat murderers or rapists or child killers and deserve to be on death row. BTW would you feel ok with letting Timothy McVeigh live? I'll be glad when he's dead. Maybe this will send a message out to the people that justice will be served. If not, at least he won't be doing any more bombings.
Sigh
Thank you for the correct spelling made it much quicker to find.
http://www.dc.state.fl.us/pub/recidivism/factors.html#Ccoff
Looks like you got more studying to do.
Voilent offences are the lowerest rate of recidivists, sorry
Thank you for the correct spelling made it much quicker to find.
http://www.dc.state.fl.us/pub/recidivism/factors.html#Ccoff
Looks like you got more studying to do.
Voilent offences are the lowerest rate of recidivists, sorry
totally for, if you commit a crime such as mass murder, or do things such as jefferey dahmer, you deserve to die, serial rapists also fit into this category, plus it shows that america isn't a bunch of sissies that are going to roll over to anyone that does anything wrong
dabuddha
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it may be the lowest but im not very comfortable with a 1 out of 3 chance that they're going to commit a crime again. Also you never responded whether you think Timothy McVeigh should be executed. Even some anti death penalty advocates said they would make an exception for him. Which shows that they are for the death penalty. And what about risks. Maybe you should stop driving. Might want to stay off the computer as well, it could blow up on you.
Also that page you linked too, look at the other crimes its comparing too. If someone wants to go do drugs again, that?s their problem. But 1 out of 3 people committing another violent crime is 1 too many. Two very distinct situations
Also that page you linked too, look at the other crimes its comparing too. If someone wants to go do drugs again, that?s their problem. But 1 out of 3 people committing another violent crime is 1 too many. Two very distinct situations
you speak of the death penalty as if there were no alternative. Life in prison without parole.
and if you say theres problems with that, well fix that.
and if you say theres problems with that, well fix that.
I'm for the death penalty. I think our appeals system is descent, and that most murderers and rapists deserve to die. True, occasionally an innocent man is put to death, and for that the government should be held accountable, but we've already got an overcrowding problem in our jails. True it's a small number of men (and occasionally women) that are put to death, but it's my personal belief that all rapists and murderers should be put to death or at least tryed under the death penalty.
Rapists, murderers, and child molesters should die like the vermin they are, as long as it is proven without any doubt that they are guilty.
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desy, perhaps it is beacuse those people(who happent o be minorities) commited the crime!!!!
This annoys me as much as the fact that you can be sentenced a longer term in jail for killing a dog than a human. People like you, who think we should just keep building prisons until everyone is happy. Last time i checked, you could NOT change the way a person is brought up, nor could you modify their genes so they became nice, instead of serial killers.
You cannot rehabilitate insane people, its been proven over and over again. And if you say a murderer is sane, you have to show me where it says that a person is normal and sane if they destroy one of its own.
When we need more prisons, since you dont want the death penalty, would you like to have one built in your backyard? You can visit the rehabilitated criminals whenever you would like.
This annoys me as much as the fact that you can be sentenced a longer term in jail for killing a dog than a human. People like you, who think we should just keep building prisons until everyone is happy. Last time i checked, you could NOT change the way a person is brought up, nor could you modify their genes so they became nice, instead of serial killers.
You cannot rehabilitate insane people, its been proven over and over again. And if you say a murderer is sane, you have to show me where it says that a person is normal and sane if they destroy one of its own.
When we need more prisons, since you dont want the death penalty, would you like to have one built in your backyard? You can visit the rehabilitated criminals whenever you would like.
Actually I am for a death penalty despite what I've been giving you.
I would like to see Mcvey toast my problem is with the system that kills innocents and is discretionary. That cost is too high for me.
No it isn't only a few innocents that get killed, and on the flip side too many get away with it, can you say OJ.
Yes, the violent stat is good cause it is also including crimes like assault that do not warrant the death penalty. Which would make up by far the greater proportion of that statistic.
This is from another report as I leave for you for the day, think about it.
Wiz don't assume they aren't the only ones committing the crime pull your head outa the sand I said compartively. We don't need more prisons in fact the prison system has doubled in the last 10 yrs because not of murder but BS war on drugs. Another topic !!
SKEWING RECIDIVISM RATES
When being tough on crime and skewing recidivism rates remains one of their best vote getting ploys, politicians aren't about to shoot themselves in the foot acknowledging low reoffense
rates. For them finding a study from somewhere with high recidivism rates has been easy. There are so many recidivism studies out there that a few can be found to say almost anything.
When one hears of a study citing high reoffense rates, closer scrutiny will often however lead either to someone focused on the most serious offenders, or to some study with a minuscule
data pool, that may have tracked only a couple of hundred subjects, or less.
Another way for spinmasters to disparage the findings of new research is to decree whatever comes along as "inconclusive". You will also hear "up to" figures: "up to 40% reoffend",
"up to 75% reoffend". The trouble with such claims is they are not averages, and they are not backed by any credible broad base of data like the massive works of Alexander, Furby or
Hanson.
Offense rates for some categories of offenders may be "up to" about 30%, but other categories may be "as low as" 3%. What matters is the average offense rate or a careful tracking of
which offense rate fits which category. If one were to sample a group of sexually dangerous psychotics, a 100% recidivism rate might be conceivable, but the average sex offender is not
in that psychosexually afflicted group.
One politician, Assemblyman Bill Hoge on the make in this last election in Pasadena was claiming without any credible basis whatsoever that sex offenders "will repeat the crime again at
least 90% of the time". Frank Zimring a Law Professor at the University of California at Berkeley addressing Assemblyman Hoge has written "that such gross exaggerations are a "folk
belief", that what we are looking at is the dynamics of ignorance in action", that "this is don't bother me with the facts legislation".
Still another ruse in promoting the myth of high reoffense rates, is to leave out the word sexual and site the arrest rates of sex offenders for other types of crime. If a convicted sex offender
later shoplifts he has committed a new offense, but it's not a new sex offense.
But even by this measure, the arrest rates of sex offenders for other types of crime compare favorably with the arrest rates of others. If for accuracy you interpolate
from large data pools, sex offenders get arrested for other types of crime (including probation violations) at about half the rate of other criminals.
Offense rates are very different before and after being caught. Although many sex offenders may offend for sometime before being apprehended, the commission of new offenses
becomes considerably more difficult once they have been caught and are known to law enforcement. As later detailed in this paper, there are a number if reasons why once caught sex
offenders become less likely to continue offending.
I would like to see Mcvey toast my problem is with the system that kills innocents and is discretionary. That cost is too high for me.
No it isn't only a few innocents that get killed, and on the flip side too many get away with it, can you say OJ.
Yes, the violent stat is good cause it is also including crimes like assault that do not warrant the death penalty. Which would make up by far the greater proportion of that statistic.
This is from another report as I leave for you for the day, think about it.
Wiz don't assume they aren't the only ones committing the crime pull your head outa the sand I said compartively. We don't need more prisons in fact the prison system has doubled in the last 10 yrs because not of murder but BS war on drugs. Another topic !!
SKEWING RECIDIVISM RATES
When being tough on crime and skewing recidivism rates remains one of their best vote getting ploys, politicians aren't about to shoot themselves in the foot acknowledging low reoffense
rates. For them finding a study from somewhere with high recidivism rates has been easy. There are so many recidivism studies out there that a few can be found to say almost anything.
When one hears of a study citing high reoffense rates, closer scrutiny will often however lead either to someone focused on the most serious offenders, or to some study with a minuscule
data pool, that may have tracked only a couple of hundred subjects, or less.
Another way for spinmasters to disparage the findings of new research is to decree whatever comes along as "inconclusive". You will also hear "up to" figures: "up to 40% reoffend",
"up to 75% reoffend". The trouble with such claims is they are not averages, and they are not backed by any credible broad base of data like the massive works of Alexander, Furby or
Hanson.
Offense rates for some categories of offenders may be "up to" about 30%, but other categories may be "as low as" 3%. What matters is the average offense rate or a careful tracking of
which offense rate fits which category. If one were to sample a group of sexually dangerous psychotics, a 100% recidivism rate might be conceivable, but the average sex offender is not
in that psychosexually afflicted group.
One politician, Assemblyman Bill Hoge on the make in this last election in Pasadena was claiming without any credible basis whatsoever that sex offenders "will repeat the crime again at
least 90% of the time". Frank Zimring a Law Professor at the University of California at Berkeley addressing Assemblyman Hoge has written "that such gross exaggerations are a "folk
belief", that what we are looking at is the dynamics of ignorance in action", that "this is don't bother me with the facts legislation".
Still another ruse in promoting the myth of high reoffense rates, is to leave out the word sexual and site the arrest rates of sex offenders for other types of crime. If a convicted sex offender
later shoplifts he has committed a new offense, but it's not a new sex offense.
But even by this measure, the arrest rates of sex offenders for other types of crime compare favorably with the arrest rates of others. If for accuracy you interpolate
from large data pools, sex offenders get arrested for other types of crime (including probation violations) at about half the rate of other criminals.
Offense rates are very different before and after being caught. Although many sex offenders may offend for sometime before being apprehended, the commission of new offenses
becomes considerably more difficult once they have been caught and are known to law enforcement. As later detailed in this paper, there are a number if reasons why once caught sex
offenders become less likely to continue offending.
dabuddha
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regardless of what the recidivism rate is, it still basically spells out that prison is not rehabilitative generally. Killing the criminals would be the best deterrent. Right now criminals think that if they do a crime, there?s a slight chance they'll get caught and slighter chance that they'll get the death penalty. If we imposed a mandatory death penalty for murderers and rapist of small children, then that would be a much better deterrent. The criminals will know that if they commit the crime and they get caught (which most likely they will), they are going to die. Granted that some people aren't afraid to die, but deep down, most of them don't want to.
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